A Song of Ice and Fire - Page 42

I'm pretty sure he warged out at the last moment just like the guy in the prologue. Either jumped into Wun Wun like Bran jumps into Hodor, or maybe just into Ghost. Or maybe Melisandre will resurrect him, other red priests seem to have that power so why not her? It just seems strange to let Jon die right now.

I find it highly unlikely that Jon Snow is gone for good. It seems to me there are too many hints to him playing a much larger role in the story as a whole. eg, the whole who are his parents question hasnt been answered yet, only hinted at multiple times. So wheter he just plainly survives the attempt on his life, or gets ressurected like we have seen before, or something im pretty confident he will be back! im personally intrigued by the Rhaegar - Lyanna theory and him being the blue rose at the wall of ice, or however that part went.

As far as we know she is still leading the Brotherhood without Banners. The timeline for that section of westeros didnt see much progression at all in ADWD.

Well, Brienne DID show up and *probably bring Jamie to Zombie Cat. So I'd say that's some progression. That's one case where I don't think that GRRM is screwing with us.

Jon has no practice, I don't think he could just jump into Wun Wun, Bran 'had to open his third eye' and that took practice.

It seems to me that R'hollor is the most 'powerful' of the gods, constantly showing it's might.
When Jon 'taunted' Melisandre of being wrong about the sights, "Daggers in the dark. A grey girl on a dying horse, and chose NOT to keep Ghost close (kept locked in his chambers)"
that is when everything goes wrong as we know.

The Old Gods also, very powerful.
"I should not have left the Wall. Lord Snow could not have known, but I should have seen it. Fire consumes, but cold preserves. The Wall...but it is too late to go running back.
This is what Aemon told Sam while at Braavos.

Just something to think about. R'hollor = fire. The Old Gods = cold obviously.

Brienne did show up and told Jamie she found the girl, and that Jamie had to come with her ALONE or Hound would kill the girl.. so I dont believe she's taking Jamie to catelyn

Why not? Brienne was taking Jamie to Catelyn in my mind, it's not like he would have come with her if she told him the zombie formerly known as Catelyn is hanging Frey's and Lannisters and would love to see him again

Really? After everything people think Jon is dead?
If I had a penny for everytime someone "died" in these books I'd have like... 20 pennies.

He's clearly not dead. He's going to be in ghost for a while, then come back into his repaired body, or someone elses body. Mel has seen it in her fires she said it herself its so obvious its not even funny. GRRM doesn't like to kill of characters half assed, he makes sure you know they're dead. Like properly dead. Like holy shit he has no head anymore dead. Jon isn't dead yet. His body may be. But the character will probably be there till the end. Don't worry about it guys. Jon has got this.

And speaking of Jon, how badly written was that last chapter with him. Probably the worst chapter in the book. Seemed rushed as fuck.

It seemed pretty obvious to me that Brienne was lying. We found out in AFFC that the hound ravaging the countryside wasn't really the hound, and we know that the neither of the girls are even close to where Brienne is at. Plus she insists that Jaime comes alone....

In the book it says Brienne looks 10 years older, plus she seems unusually trite with Jaime. She is most likely working for Catelyn now, and I don't even think she is her real self.

At first I was shocked when Jon died, then sad, then angry, but in the end it makes sense. Jon was spreading the watch too thin and was treading on thin ice throughout the whole book trying to reconcile the wildings and the watch and Stannis' brood. Sending men to save the people at Hardhome would surely fail and just weaken the wall that much more. Then he was going to head south and take men with him there... in a way he had to die.

And I hope Melisandre doesn't bring him back. There have already been enough undead characters: Catelyn, Beric, Coldhands(who may be Benjen stark), and possibly Brienne. And if he just ends up in ghost, what would be the point? He couldn't really be a commander of the wall as a wolf...