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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
November 01 2006 04:50 GMT
#21
truth be told. chinese parents are fucking retards.
Rillanon.au
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-01 05:23:59
November 01 2006 05:10 GMT
#22
On November 01 2006 12:42 haduken wrote:
I don't see how China's case is very different from Korea.... remember the motto? "to make money is good" .. if it can happen in korea, then there is absolutely no market driven obstacle to stop it from happening in China. There are millions of gamers in college or workforce. Magazines are on sale on every street corner. The only obstacle now is government control which can be overcome with time... and remember, with the market China has, progaming doesn't even need to be as big at state level like Korea. It just needs a stable following which it already has now.

I agree but just as government control can hurt it can also help tremendously like it did in Korea. Still it was Korean owned business (Samsung and the Korean telcom companies) that initially made pro-gaming what it is today, i.e. they opened the door, and I suspect in China it will be exactly the same. It will be Chinese business that will fuel their e-Sports initially; and one can see that they are trying to follow roughly a similar model to the Korean one. If the government keeps giving its tacit blessing things will only get better for e-sports in China. It does not need foreign investment either to continue growing. They have their own real and huge demand for gaming and e-sports, they have the money with their yearly amazing economical growth and finally the current trend is very encouraging.

The amazing thing, as always with China, are the numbers.. remember WCG shows-off the world wide one million and change participants... multiply that number by 50 and you will get an idea of how much China can change the gobal e-sports playing fields..
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
November 01 2006 05:49 GMT
#23
Yeah but do not underestimate the power of prejudice in this case. Contrary to what many believe. Chinese government will heed the words of parents in this matter. There are certain things the government will not touch upon and opinions do matter. when we come down to it.. what is progaming but another money making scheme? how much percentage of the population actually enjoys and condone such scheme? not to mention the current dissastrous situation with the education system. these kids study their ass off but in the end their education is worse than other countries where kids practically spend their entire early life not studying... T_T (exaggerated but if u have being to an asian country you will know the case for comparison.). add to the fact that the majority of Chinese adults are ignorant authoritarian cunts and you will have a situation where what you know is right doesn't even matter.. who cares about progaming? we don't want our kids doing anything but study till they get in college then they can waste their life as much as they want.

so in conclusion. progaming will hapen and it already has but it will progress at a much slower rate until some event happens to change people's mind. notably results in international arenas and global environment...
Rillanon.au
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Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-01 09:50:13
November 01 2006 09:46 GMT
#24
When your kids come home with a month salary after one tournament, minds change. Korea parents have many of the same traditional values as a lot of Asian cultures - but it changes when their kids showed them a different way. Time will tell though. If there are no changes in the current trend I expect that in less than 10 years China will be a leader in the economy of e-Sports.
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
Mr_Pink
Profile Joined September 2006
United States338 Posts
November 01 2006 09:50 GMT
#25
Cool.
gG.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
November 01 2006 10:38 GMT
#26
you say its changed. but is it really? i don't pretend to know the values koreans take but i would wager its pretty similiar to most eastern countries.

what is peculiar about china is. you are nobody unless you get in college. if you drop out, you are screwed. mind you, you learn shit in college anyway. no matter how much money progamers make. people are gonna whisper behind their back. hey thats the dumb kid that drop out to play video games, yeah wat a loser... i can just imagine how this will go.
atheletes hardly get any respect these days anyway and most of them burn out and get shit given to them after their glory times. i don't see how different it is to be a progamer. and Chinese parents have this thinking that god give them the right to abuse their kid's life. if i was gonna quit school and become progamer, my parents will disown me no matter how successful i am.
Rillanon.au
akamufu
Profile Joined June 2006
Korea (South)321 Posts
November 01 2006 10:41 GMT
#27
On November 01 2006 11:37 FireBatLover wrote:
i hope this doesn't turn into another stupid, "Why shouldn't e-sports be in the Olympics".


if someone actualy asked u that, thats the most stupid question.

but its good that other asian countries gettin involved, a country that doesnt play sc much is.....AFRICA! haha we gotta get them black ppl to start gettin into technology and play sc.
Its all fun and games until Boxer loses a marine.
Abang_Zealot
Profile Joined June 2003
Indonesia866 Posts
November 01 2006 11:03 GMT
#28
On November 01 2006 19:38 haduken wrote:
you say its changed. but is it really? i don't pretend to know the values koreans take but i would wager its pretty similiar to most eastern countries.

what is peculiar about china is. you are nobody unless you get in college. if you drop out, you are screwed. mind you, you learn shit in college anyway. no matter how much money progamers make. people are gonna whisper behind their back. hey thats the dumb kid that drop out to play video games, yeah wat a loser... i can just imagine how this will go.
atheletes hardly get any respect these days anyway and most of them burn out and get shit given to them after their glory times. i don't see how different it is to be a progamer. and Chinese parents have this thinking that god give them the right to abuse their kid's life. if i was gonna quit school and become progamer, my parents will disown me no matter how successful i am.


Sadly enough this is quite true. As a generalisation, Asian mentality regards academic > all. However there will be exceptions. My family for example is one of them =P

Given the huge number of potentials in China, there will be enough of these 'exceptions' who will probably disregard public opinion just to do what they love. And I suspect they will pave the way for the Chinese professional gaming.

Then again, I wonder how long this computer gaming growth will continue O_O?
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12815 Posts
November 01 2006 12:03 GMT
#29
On November 01 2006 13:50 haduken wrote:
truth be told. chinese parents are fucking retards.

My parents are awesome. Don't you even start to bash your parents untill you pass puberty.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12815 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-01 12:05:50
November 01 2006 12:05 GMT
#30
To topic:
Firstly chinese has huge population, so odd cases like pro-gamming family will occure eventually.
Secondly, the "omfg game bad" is more moral driven, and the "yay games good!" is market driven, and generally speaking, people are more market driven that moral driven. So in the end gaming will win.
^_^
I forgot, thirdly, people are opening up.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
IIICodeIIIIIII
Profile Joined April 2006
China1101 Posts
November 01 2006 15:27 GMT
#31
On November 01 2006 21:05 evanthebouncy~ wrote:
To topic:
Firstly chinese has huge population, so odd cases like pro-gamming family will occure eventually.
Secondly, the "omfg game bad" is more moral driven, and the "yay games good!" is market driven, and generally speaking, people are more market driven that moral driven. So in the end gaming will win.
^_^
I forgot, thirdly, people are opening up.


damn, that's nice logic. market driven vs moral driven. fucking genius. nice point ^___^
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
November 01 2006 15:44 GMT
#32
On November 01 2006 21:03 evanthebouncy~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2006 13:50 haduken wrote:
truth be told. chinese parents are fucking retards.

My parents are awesome. Don't you even start to bash your parents untill you pass puberty.


im 23 and u know im telling the truth. ur parents are an exception.
Rillanon.au
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
November 01 2006 15:53 GMT
#33
omfg game bad is market driven as in if your child plays games he'll get nowhere, unable to support himself and starve to death. Moral driven would be if a chinese person played starcraft an ethiopian child will die.
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