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NewbSaibot
3849 Posts
On October 27 2006 13:41 lil.sis wrote: You said i take our legal system and the laws we obide by lightly. So i want to see just how lightly you take them. how is this in any way relevant? i only represent myself with my personal actions. the actions of a court represent the entire judicial system. | ||
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lil.sis
China4650 Posts
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lil.sis
China4650 Posts
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lil.sis
China4650 Posts
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uhjoo
Korea (South)1740 Posts
as an addition, i think as a society we consider certain crimes to be so heinous in nature that we are obligated to take steps in preventing them from happening in the first place rather than reacting once they happen. for example, we don't allow drunk drivers-- not necessarily because driving drunk in and of itself is a crime, but because we don't like the idea of a drunk fuck bashing his car into the side of a station wagon driven by a mom and her 2 year old daughter. in this spirit, i am all for any sort of reasonable activity, be it by the government or by volunteer citizen organizations, to identify and punish would-be active pedophiles before they actually do the deed. if someone like chibi wants to argue, however subtly, that pedophilia in and of itself is not a crime, then i have nothing to say to that person as their values so vastly differ from mine that it's not even worth my energy and time to argue. but if we agree that pedophilia is a bad thing, indeed, a heinous thing, then a site like perverted-justice.com is doing the community a great service. i should also add that the ho-hum way that some people think of date rape in this thread is eye-opening, to say the least. | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
How was that not seducing him and inducing him? Adult pusing as kid sets the bait, the (mentally ill) man, clearly types he doesnt want to hurt him, he only could hurt him, he doesnt want to meet him. The "kid" then proceeds to tell him stories how he hurted animals, bla bla bla, making the mentally ill man to relate to him and feel closer. Then the "kid" says he WANT him to hurt him, he actually begs him to do it, that it is ok, that he wants it.... God dammnit its so sickening it actually makes me feel sympathy for the disturbed man. Ok hotbid you want a more accurate analogy? a 17 year old girl in a party flirts with you all night, you get all horny she tells you how much she likes you, and she tells u she is 17... then you actually tell her you DONT want to do anything with her since she is a minor... and tell her to stop... she strongly insists, she tells you that she wants you now repeteadly... so finally you say OK lets do it... BAM bitch... cops are on you statutory rape. and yeah im aware statutory rape isnt as serious as raping a younger Kid, but its the same scenario, seducing and luring people into commiting a crime they dont want to its fucking wrong. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On October 27 2006 14:13 baal wrote: omfg, thinking about molesting a children is not a crime and it shouldnt fucking be, almost everyone has ever tought about killing someone... zomg life sentences for all!!!! fucking stupid peruvian. How was that not seducing him and inducing him? Adult pusing as kid sets the bait, the (mentally ill) man, clearly types he doesnt want to hurt him, he only could hurt him, he doesnt want to meet him. The "kid" then proceeds to tell him stories how he hurted animals, bla bla bla, making the mentally ill man to relate to him and feel closer. Then the "kid" says he WANT him to hurt him, he actually begs him to do it, that it is ok, that he wants it.... God dammnit its so sickening it actually makes me feel sympathy for the disturbed man. Ok hotbid you want a more accurate analogy? a 17 year old girl in a party flirts with you all night, you get all horny she tells you how much she likes you, and she tells u she is 17... then you actually tell her you DONT want to do anything with her since she is a minor... and tell her to stop... she strongly insists, she tells you that she wants you now repeteadly... so finally you say OK lets do it... BAM bitch... cops are on you statutory rape. and yeah im aware statutory rape isnt as serious as raping a younger Kid, but its the same scenario, seducing and luring people into commiting a crime they dont want to its fucking wrong. dude did you read the logs? how can you say that the pedophile "doesnt want" to commit the crime? the guy says explicitly that he wants to: DavieWants2 [1:31 PM]: i like to rape my bois for REAL SnapShotDeath [1:31 PM]: i swear i do what u say DavieWants2 [1:32 PM]: what if i tell YOU i want to put a rope around YOUR neck as i fuck YOu in YOUR sweet ass, and hear YOU beg not to die SnapShotDeath [1:32 PM]: u buy me stuff? DavieWants2 [1:32 PM]: yes i will dont worry SnapShotDeath [1:33 PM]: k DavieWants2 [1:33 PM]: YOu dont mind that i love rought sex with my bois the adult is the person who starts to ask to meet and ask for address information, he is the one who describes all the details of what he wants to do, how can you say its the "boy" who convinces this dude? the old guy's hanging in a chatroom with young boys, why do you think he's there? hes just chilling, innocent until one of these boys seduces him? from what i read, the pedophile is aggressor and the "boy" is just playing along, its nowhere near the example you gave of some 17 year old repeatedly convincing someone, its not even close. and your example still is stupid--yes thats still statutory rape, regardless of how much convincing the minor does. you're basically justifying that its OK to do it if the underage person is fine with it. lets say a 5 year old comes up to you and does the same thing, trying to convince you to have sex? why cant the older person just say no? PS this is all irrelevant because the pedo in the conversation WANTED IT TO HAPPEN. | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
DavieWants2 [2:02 PM]: nothin, i dont want to hurt YOU SnapShotDeath [2:02 PM]: hurt me how DavieWants2 [2:07 PM]: ok ok, but what do YOU want me to do? SnapShotDeath [2:08 PM]: make me happy like u says u will SnapShotDeath [2:08 PM]: i will do what u say DavieWants2 [2:08 PM]: but i dont think i can rely nmake U happy, i can only hurt YOU boi | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
On October 27 2006 14:28 Hot_Bid wrote: dude did you read the logs? how can you say that the pedophile "doesnt want" to commit the crime? the guy says explicitly that he wants to: the adult is the person who starts to ask to meet and ask for address information, he is the one who describes all the details of what he wants to do, how can you say its the "boy" who convinces this dude? the old guy's hanging in a chatroom with young boys, why do you think he's there? hes just chilling, innocent until one of these boys seduces him? from what i read, the pedophile is aggressor and the "boy" is just playing along, its nowhere near the example you gave of some 17 year old repeatedly convincing someone, its not even close. and your example still is stupid--yes thats still statutory rape, regardless of how much convincing the minor does. you're basically justifying that its OK to do it if the underage person is fine with it. lets say a 5 year old comes up to you and does the same thing, trying to convince you to have sex? why cant the older person just say no? PS this is all irrelevant because the pedo in the conversation WANTED IT TO HAPPEN. what is wrong is not that the boy begs or not... but that its an adult seducing another adult into commint a crime wich is wrong. | ||
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In)Spire
United States1323 Posts
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Chibi[OWNS]
United Kingdom10597 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
so you're basically against ALL undercover police operations then? and also, you changed your argument, before you just gave an example of a minor seducing an adult (the 17yo example) and you were arguing at how "unfair" that situation was, now you're talking about how what you're actually against that its an undercover adult, which is it? | ||
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Chibi[OWNS]
United Kingdom10597 Posts
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baal
10708 Posts
On October 27 2006 15:02 Hot_Bid wrote: baal: so you're basically against ALL undercover police operations then? and also, you changed your argument, before you just gave an example of a minor seducing an adult (the 17yo example) and you were arguing at how "unfair" that situation was, now you're talking about how what you're actually against that its an undercover adult, which is it? No, undercover police operations are fine, they get involved in organized crime and catch them on the act. But in this scenario they are inducing people imo. | ||
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Chibi[OWNS]
United Kingdom10597 Posts
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NewbSaibot
3849 Posts
On October 27 2006 15:18 baal wrote: Ok so you would rather them only get caught in the act of raping the kid. Even though they knew 100% without a shadow of a doubt that it was going to happen, they even have a snake cam in the kid's bedroom as the man is ripping off his clothes, erect penis in hand, about to rip his asshole wide open, they do nothing until the blood starts pouring. Then BOOM, down come the doors and the kid is "saved" right? This is so much more logical and useful than just stopping the mother fucker the day before. No, undercover police operations are fine, they get involved in organized crime and catch them on the act. But in this scenario they are inducing people imo. By the way, there is no such fucking thing as being seduced. You are in control of your own actions, nobody makes you do anything. The girl at the club doesnt make you say "ok ill stick my dick in you", you chose to do it of your own free will fully aware of the consequences. Yes, you deserve to get burned for doing this if you knew her age, even if it was only 1 day before her 18th birthday. Realisitically i would convict the person of this as guilty of the crime, and sentence them to a day of community service. But by law, yes they broke it, and there is nothing wrong with finding them guilty of it by definition. Just as there is nothing wrong with stopping a man who is walking up behind a woman with a baseball bat in hand ready to swing at her head. Or stopping a man with a trunk full of kiddy porn and S&M equipment as he is walking up the front steps to little billy's house. Or catching him 5 hours earlier as he was jotting down the address saying he is coming over. | ||
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Chibi[OWNS]
United Kingdom10597 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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gameguard
Korea (South)2132 Posts
Obviously some 17 year old jail bait luring a man and sending him to jail is fucked up. You could possibly argue that thats unjustified even though ultimately the fault lies on the guy. But If you think thats even remotely close to whats happening with perverted-justice, I dont even know what to say. In this case the ends justifies the means. If you cant swallow the fact that a lie has to be made to put away child molesters, again, I have nothing to say. | ||
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alphaentity
United States525 Posts
"American law focuses on the motivation of the accused. In the United States, entrapment exists if the accused's main motivation was the offer made by the police. If the accused was more motivated by other concerns, such as financial gain, then it is not entrapment despite police actions." I think this case can be argued either way. But I don't think police should convince someone to commit a crime by coercion or repeated tempting. Think about it, you are a recovering drug addict. An undercover cop invites you to this lavish party, naked girls everywhere, ppl smoking and snorting coke. He then asks you if you want some cocaine, you say no. Then he lines a line of coke on a naked girls body and says "go sniff it" and you can fuck her. The moment you start leaning your head down, he arrests you for doing drugs (because he KNOWS you will do it)...no very fair in my book. | ||
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