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On May 28 2014 05:32 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:16 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:12 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:02 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 04:59 ComaDose wrote:
okay man, if you disagree with the statement the crazy person jumped out of the window because he thought he could fly then i don't know how to explain it to you any different. You know I had a very good and fruitful debate with Kwark earlier in this thread, I could see where he was coming from and I actually gained alot of respect for feminists like him during that debate. But you on the other hand are the kind of feminist that just makes me want to bang my head against a wall. You are not doing yourself or your cause any favors whatsoever. i didn't say anything about feminism at all... are you sure you're still responding to the right person? I believe the conversation we were having was if his motive was misogynistic. No, I agree with that statement, because the action is consistent with the belief. Wanting to kill women and then killing more men than women is not consistent, even for a crazy person He didn't say he wanted to kill women... i asked you earlier but did you read what he wrote or watch what he recorded? I read and watched some of it. And it's exactly the reason I see him as the crazy person he is. You say his motive was that he hated women, which then led him to conclude that he had to kill other people. It is exactly that kind of flawed reasoning I take issue with. It doesn't make sense. No normal person would ever think like that, which is exactly why I fail to see how this is relevant to anyone but Elliot Rodgers himself. He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. Even put into those words it still doesn't make sense. Because justice is punishing "crimes" with equal punishment. And I'm sorry killing people because they don't think you are deserving them or however you want to put it is not justice. No normal person would ever think that, it's totally irrelevant to our society and to us as individuals, because pretty much nobody except Elliot Rodgers thinks like that.
of course his logic doesn't make sense, he is bad shit crazy. similarly his misogynistic views don't make any sense to me either.
Well if you agree that it's irrelevant and there is nothing we can do about it, why would you even mention it in the first place?
i didn't agree with anything, i responded to you saying his motives weren't misogynistic and its taken this long to correct you.
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On May 28 2014 05:31 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:26 Xiphos wrote:
In ALL form of courtship, ALL parties are objectified.
Women feel "violated" because they are mainly objectified by shallowness of men by their appearance.
Guess what?
Women fucking objectifies men too but not by their looks but by what men can do in a shallow manner.
Everybody is objectified is one way or another.
So yeah ladies, you like me because I can provide the necessary experience for you to embark on with monetary support or any other extra curricular activities that I've learned and I like you because you are incredibly good looking.
Deal with it.
And if you are a good looking lady but don't want to be objectified, then destroy your beauty by gaining weights and messing up your skin so that's not the first thing in a men's priority list to look for and work on your personalities and abilities to get money in order to provide for the man.
If you don't do the above and still hope to not get objectified, well that ain't gonna to happen. So embrace the reality. Did you just say that only ugly women have a hope of being liked for more than their looks and that they should make themselves ugly if that's what they want? Did you mean to post that in the dating thread i'm not following your segway.
Re-read the bold part.
Ugly women are already ugly so if they aren't doing their best to work on their appearance or honing their personality, then its the sad truth about them.
A girl born ugly is the same as a men born poor.
Except beauty can be enhanced with the miracle of science in makeup, exercise, plastic surgery, and implants.
And men can instead utilize his intelligent to gain more wealth.
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On May 28 2014 04:07 MoltkeWarding wrote:
He wanted to show the world that he was really concerned with justice, and that had any other means been available to assuage his sufferings, he would have pursued them.
And I'm sure he actually believed this. And therein lies the problem.
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On May 28 2014 05:36 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:32 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:16 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:12 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:02 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 04:59 ComaDose wrote:
okay man, if you disagree with the statement the crazy person jumped out of the window because he thought he could fly then i don't know how to explain it to you any different. You know I had a very good and fruitful debate with Kwark earlier in this thread, I could see where he was coming from and I actually gained alot of respect for feminists like him during that debate. But you on the other hand are the kind of feminist that just makes me want to bang my head against a wall. You are not doing yourself or your cause any favors whatsoever. i didn't say anything about feminism at all... are you sure you're still responding to the right person? I believe the conversation we were having was if his motive was misogynistic. No, I agree with that statement, because the action is consistent with the belief. Wanting to kill women and then killing more men than women is not consistent, even for a crazy person He didn't say he wanted to kill women... i asked you earlier but did you read what he wrote or watch what he recorded? I read and watched some of it. And it's exactly the reason I see him as the crazy person he is. You say his motive was that he hated women, which then led him to conclude that he had to kill other people. It is exactly that kind of flawed reasoning I take issue with. It doesn't make sense. No normal person would ever think like that, which is exactly why I fail to see how this is relevant to anyone but Elliot Rodgers himself. He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. Even put into those words it still doesn't make sense. Because justice is punishing "crimes" with equal punishment. And I'm sorry killing people because they don't think you are deserving them or however you want to put it is not justice. No normal person would ever think that, it's totally irrelevant to our society and to us as individuals, because pretty much nobody except Elliot Rodgers thinks like that. of course his logic doesn't make sense, he is bad shit crazy. similarly his misogynistic views don't make any sense to me either. Show nested quote +who said Elliot Rodgers motivations were relevant to anyone but himself?
Well if you agree that it's irrelevant and there is nothing we can do about it, why would you even mention it in the first place? i didn't agree with anything, i responded to you saying his motives weren't misogynistic and its taken this long to correct you.
And if you read my post again you will find that all I said was "he didn't just hate women, he hated everyone." He hated women for not being with him and he hated men for being with the women he wanted to be with. This isn't just misogyny, it's misanthropy. I fail to see how that is an incorrect statement.
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On May 28 2014 05:43 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:36 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:32 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:16 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:12 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:02 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 04:59 ComaDose wrote:
okay man, if you disagree with the statement the crazy person jumped out of the window because he thought he could fly then i don't know how to explain it to you any different. You know I had a very good and fruitful debate with Kwark earlier in this thread, I could see where he was coming from and I actually gained alot of respect for feminists like him during that debate. But you on the other hand are the kind of feminist that just makes me want to bang my head against a wall. You are not doing yourself or your cause any favors whatsoever. i didn't say anything about feminism at all... are you sure you're still responding to the right person? I believe the conversation we were having was if his motive was misogynistic. No, I agree with that statement, because the action is consistent with the belief. Wanting to kill women and then killing more men than women is not consistent, even for a crazy person He didn't say he wanted to kill women... i asked you earlier but did you read what he wrote or watch what he recorded? I read and watched some of it. And it's exactly the reason I see him as the crazy person he is. You say his motive was that he hated women, which then led him to conclude that he had to kill other people. It is exactly that kind of flawed reasoning I take issue with. It doesn't make sense. No normal person would ever think like that, which is exactly why I fail to see how this is relevant to anyone but Elliot Rodgers himself. He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. Even put into those words it still doesn't make sense. Because justice is punishing "crimes" with equal punishment. And I'm sorry killing people because they don't think you are deserving them or however you want to put it is not justice. No normal person would ever think that, it's totally irrelevant to our society and to us as individuals, because pretty much nobody except Elliot Rodgers thinks like that. of course his logic doesn't make sense, he is bad shit crazy. similarly his misogynistic views don't make any sense to me either. who said Elliot Rodgers motivations were relevant to anyone but himself?
Well if you agree that it's irrelevant and there is nothing we can do about it, why would you even mention it in the first place? i didn't agree with anything, i responded to you saying his motives weren't misogynistic and its taken this long to correct you. And if you read my post again you will find that all I said was "he didn't just hate women, he hated everyone." He hated women for not being with him and he hated men for being with the women he wanted to be with. This isn't just misogyny, it's misanthropy. I fail to see how that is an incorrect statement.
Yeah this isn't only hatred toward one group but multiple of.
He was a racist. He hated how those Asian can get the girls but he can't. He hated how the white kids can get some but he can't.
He hated those men for it.
And he hated the women for falling into their laps.
This isn't a gender issue. He was genetically wired to be adamant in his position even though there were many people willing to help him, he pushed them away. A character like his is BOND to be ticking time bomb.
And its better that he was stopped earlier because given enough time, he could've executed a much more elaborated plan to hurt even more people.
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On May 28 2014 05:43 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:36 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:32 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:16 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:12 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:02 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 04:59 ComaDose wrote:
okay man, if you disagree with the statement the crazy person jumped out of the window because he thought he could fly then i don't know how to explain it to you any different. You know I had a very good and fruitful debate with Kwark earlier in this thread, I could see where he was coming from and I actually gained alot of respect for feminists like him during that debate. But you on the other hand are the kind of feminist that just makes me want to bang my head against a wall. You are not doing yourself or your cause any favors whatsoever. i didn't say anything about feminism at all... are you sure you're still responding to the right person? I believe the conversation we were having was if his motive was misogynistic. No, I agree with that statement, because the action is consistent with the belief. Wanting to kill women and then killing more men than women is not consistent, even for a crazy person He didn't say he wanted to kill women... i asked you earlier but did you read what he wrote or watch what he recorded? I read and watched some of it. And it's exactly the reason I see him as the crazy person he is. You say his motive was that he hated women, which then led him to conclude that he had to kill other people. It is exactly that kind of flawed reasoning I take issue with. It doesn't make sense. No normal person would ever think like that, which is exactly why I fail to see how this is relevant to anyone but Elliot Rodgers himself. He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. Even put into those words it still doesn't make sense. Because justice is punishing "crimes" with equal punishment. And I'm sorry killing people because they don't think you are deserving them or however you want to put it is not justice. No normal person would ever think that, it's totally irrelevant to our society and to us as individuals, because pretty much nobody except Elliot Rodgers thinks like that. of course his logic doesn't make sense, he is bad shit crazy. similarly his misogynistic views don't make any sense to me either. who said Elliot Rodgers motivations were relevant to anyone but himself?
Well if you agree that it's irrelevant and there is nothing we can do about it, why would you even mention it in the first place? i didn't agree with anything, i responded to you saying his motives weren't misogynistic and its taken this long to correct you. And if you read my post again you will find that all I said was "he didn't just hate women, he hated everyone." He hated women for not being with him and he hated men for being with the women he wanted to be with. This isn't just misogyny, it's misanthropy. I fail to see how that is an incorrect statement.
christ you are stuborn; you also said "So what I'm suggesting is that his actions weren't the result of misogyny"
I am saying clearly his motivations were misogynistic.
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On May 28 2014 05:55 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:43 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:36 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:32 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:16 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:12 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:02 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 04:59 ComaDose wrote:
okay man, if you disagree with the statement the crazy person jumped out of the window because he thought he could fly then i don't know how to explain it to you any different. You know I had a very good and fruitful debate with Kwark earlier in this thread, I could see where he was coming from and I actually gained alot of respect for feminists like him during that debate. But you on the other hand are the kind of feminist that just makes me want to bang my head against a wall. You are not doing yourself or your cause any favors whatsoever. i didn't say anything about feminism at all... are you sure you're still responding to the right person? I believe the conversation we were having was if his motive was misogynistic. No, I agree with that statement, because the action is consistent with the belief. Wanting to kill women and then killing more men than women is not consistent, even for a crazy person He didn't say he wanted to kill women... i asked you earlier but did you read what he wrote or watch what he recorded? I read and watched some of it. And it's exactly the reason I see him as the crazy person he is. You say his motive was that he hated women, which then led him to conclude that he had to kill other people. It is exactly that kind of flawed reasoning I take issue with. It doesn't make sense. No normal person would ever think like that, which is exactly why I fail to see how this is relevant to anyone but Elliot Rodgers himself. He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. Even put into those words it still doesn't make sense. Because justice is punishing "crimes" with equal punishment. And I'm sorry killing people because they don't think you are deserving them or however you want to put it is not justice. No normal person would ever think that, it's totally irrelevant to our society and to us as individuals, because pretty much nobody except Elliot Rodgers thinks like that. of course his logic doesn't make sense, he is bad shit crazy. similarly his misogynistic views don't make any sense to me either. who said Elliot Rodgers motivations were relevant to anyone but himself?
Well if you agree that it's irrelevant and there is nothing we can do about it, why would you even mention it in the first place? i didn't agree with anything, i responded to you saying his motives weren't misogynistic and its taken this long to correct you. And if you read my post again you will find that all I said was "he didn't just hate women, he hated everyone." He hated women for not being with him and he hated men for being with the women he wanted to be with. This isn't just misogyny, it's misanthropy. I fail to see how that is an incorrect statement. christ you are stuborn; you also said "So what I'm suggesting is that his actions weren't the result of misogyny" I am saying clearly his motivations were misogynistic.
But see I don't understand that logic. If he hated both men and women, how does it follow that his motivations were misogynistic and not misanthropistic or even misandristic?
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On May 28 2014 05:58 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:55 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:43 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:36 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:32 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:16 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:12 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:02 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 04:59 ComaDose wrote:
okay man, if you disagree with the statement the crazy person jumped out of the window because he thought he could fly then i don't know how to explain it to you any different. You know I had a very good and fruitful debate with Kwark earlier in this thread, I could see where he was coming from and I actually gained alot of respect for feminists like him during that debate. But you on the other hand are the kind of feminist that just makes me want to bang my head against a wall. You are not doing yourself or your cause any favors whatsoever. i didn't say anything about feminism at all... are you sure you're still responding to the right person? I believe the conversation we were having was if his motive was misogynistic. No, I agree with that statement, because the action is consistent with the belief. Wanting to kill women and then killing more men than women is not consistent, even for a crazy person He didn't say he wanted to kill women... i asked you earlier but did you read what he wrote or watch what he recorded? I read and watched some of it. And it's exactly the reason I see him as the crazy person he is. You say his motive was that he hated women, which then led him to conclude that he had to kill other people. It is exactly that kind of flawed reasoning I take issue with. It doesn't make sense. No normal person would ever think like that, which is exactly why I fail to see how this is relevant to anyone but Elliot Rodgers himself. He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. Even put into those words it still doesn't make sense. Because justice is punishing "crimes" with equal punishment. And I'm sorry killing people because they don't think you are deserving them or however you want to put it is not justice. No normal person would ever think that, it's totally irrelevant to our society and to us as individuals, because pretty much nobody except Elliot Rodgers thinks like that. of course his logic doesn't make sense, he is bad shit crazy. similarly his misogynistic views don't make any sense to me either. who said Elliot Rodgers motivations were relevant to anyone but himself?
Well if you agree that it's irrelevant and there is nothing we can do about it, why would you even mention it in the first place? i didn't agree with anything, i responded to you saying his motives weren't misogynistic and its taken this long to correct you. And if you read my post again you will find that all I said was "he didn't just hate women, he hated everyone." He hated women for not being with him and he hated men for being with the women he wanted to be with. This isn't just misogyny, it's misanthropy. I fail to see how that is an incorrect statement. christ you are stuborn; you also said "So what I'm suggesting is that his actions weren't the result of misogyny" I am saying clearly his motivations were misogynistic. But see I don't understand that logic. If he hated both men and women, how does it follow that his motivations were misogynistic and not misanthropistic or even misandristic?
On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:
He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that.
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On May 28 2014 06:01 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:58 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:55 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:43 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:36 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:32 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:16 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:12 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:02 SlixSC wrote:
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You know I had a very good and fruitful debate with Kwark earlier in this thread, I could see where he was coming from and I actually gained alot of respect for feminists like him during that debate. But you on the other hand are the kind of feminist that just makes me want to bang my head against a wall.
You are not doing yourself or your cause any favors whatsoever. i didn't say anything about feminism at all... are you sure you're still responding to the right person? I believe the conversation we were having was if his motive was misogynistic. No, I agree with that statement, because the action is consistent with the belief. Wanting to kill women and then killing more men than women is not consistent, even for a crazy person He didn't say he wanted to kill women... i asked you earlier but did you read what he wrote or watch what he recorded? I read and watched some of it. And it's exactly the reason I see him as the crazy person he is. You say his motive was that he hated women, which then led him to conclude that he had to kill other people. It is exactly that kind of flawed reasoning I take issue with. It doesn't make sense. No normal person would ever think like that, which is exactly why I fail to see how this is relevant to anyone but Elliot Rodgers himself. He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. Even put into those words it still doesn't make sense. Because justice is punishing "crimes" with equal punishment. And I'm sorry killing people because they don't think you are deserving them or however you want to put it is not justice. No normal person would ever think that, it's totally irrelevant to our society and to us as individuals, because pretty much nobody except Elliot Rodgers thinks like that. of course his logic doesn't make sense, he is bad shit crazy. similarly his misogynistic views don't make any sense to me either. who said Elliot Rodgers motivations were relevant to anyone but himself?
Well if you agree that it's irrelevant and there is nothing we can do about it, why would you even mention it in the first place? i didn't agree with anything, i responded to you saying his motives weren't misogynistic and its taken this long to correct you. And if you read my post again you will find that all I said was "he didn't just hate women, he hated everyone." He hated women for not being with him and he hated men for being with the women he wanted to be with. This isn't just misogyny, it's misanthropy. I fail to see how that is an incorrect statement. christ you are stuborn; you also said "So what I'm suggesting is that his actions weren't the result of misogyny" I am saying clearly his motivations were misogynistic. But see I don't understand that logic. If he hated both men and women, how does it follow that his motivations were misogynistic and not misanthropistic or even misandristic? Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:
He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that.
What does that have to do with my question? A feeling of entitlement that you deserve more women than lesser men (which, let's be quite frank here, in his view included pretty much everyone), is just as misandristic as it is misogynistic.
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On May 28 2014 06:04 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 06:01 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:58 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:55 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:43 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:36 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:32 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:16 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:12 ComaDose wrote:
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i didn't say anything about feminism at all... are you sure you're still responding to the right person? I believe the conversation we were having was if his motive was misogynistic.
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He didn't say he wanted to kill women... i asked you earlier but did you read what he wrote or watch what he recorded? I read and watched some of it. And it's exactly the reason I see him as the crazy person he is. You say his motive was that he hated women, which then led him to conclude that he had to kill other people. It is exactly that kind of flawed reasoning I take issue with. It doesn't make sense. No normal person would ever think like that, which is exactly why I fail to see how this is relevant to anyone but Elliot Rodgers himself. He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. Even put into those words it still doesn't make sense. Because justice is punishing "crimes" with equal punishment. And I'm sorry killing people because they don't think you are deserving them or however you want to put it is not justice. No normal person would ever think that, it's totally irrelevant to our society and to us as individuals, because pretty much nobody except Elliot Rodgers thinks like that. of course his logic doesn't make sense, he is bad shit crazy. similarly his misogynistic views don't make any sense to me either. who said Elliot Rodgers motivations were relevant to anyone but himself?
Well if you agree that it's irrelevant and there is nothing we can do about it, why would you even mention it in the first place? i didn't agree with anything, i responded to you saying his motives weren't misogynistic and its taken this long to correct you. And if you read my post again you will find that all I said was "he didn't just hate women, he hated everyone." He hated women for not being with him and he hated men for being with the women he wanted to be with. This isn't just misogyny, it's misanthropy. I fail to see how that is an incorrect statement. christ you are stuborn; you also said "So what I'm suggesting is that his actions weren't the result of misogyny" I am saying clearly his motivations were misogynistic. But see I don't understand that logic. If he hated both men and women, how does it follow that his motivations were misogynistic and not misanthropistic or even misandristic? On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:
He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. What does that have to do with my question? A feeling of entitlement that you deserve more women than lesser men (which, let's be quite frank here, in his view included pretty much everyone), is just as misandristic as it is misogynistic.
no it isn't... i don't even know how to respond to that. We agree that feeling like you deserve or are entitled to women is sexist and bad right?
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On May 28 2014 06:08 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 06:04 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:01 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:58 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:55 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:43 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:36 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:32 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:16 SlixSC wrote:
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I read and watched some of it. And it's exactly the reason I see him as the crazy person he is. You say his motive was that he hated women, which then led him to conclude that he had to kill other people.
It is exactly that kind of flawed reasoning I take issue with. It doesn't make sense. No normal person would ever think like that, which is exactly why I fail to see how this is relevant to anyone but Elliot Rodgers himself.
He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. Even put into those words it still doesn't make sense. Because justice is punishing "crimes" with equal punishment. And I'm sorry killing people because they don't think you are deserving them or however you want to put it is not justice. No normal person would ever think that, it's totally irrelevant to our society and to us as individuals, because pretty much nobody except Elliot Rodgers thinks like that. of course his logic doesn't make sense, he is bad shit crazy. similarly his misogynistic views don't make any sense to me either. who said Elliot Rodgers motivations were relevant to anyone but himself?
Well if you agree that it's irrelevant and there is nothing we can do about it, why would you even mention it in the first place? i didn't agree with anything, i responded to you saying his motives weren't misogynistic and its taken this long to correct you. And if you read my post again you will find that all I said was "he didn't just hate women, he hated everyone." He hated women for not being with him and he hated men for being with the women he wanted to be with. This isn't just misogyny, it's misanthropy. I fail to see how that is an incorrect statement. christ you are stuborn; you also said "So what I'm suggesting is that his actions weren't the result of misogyny" I am saying clearly his motivations were misogynistic. But see I don't understand that logic. If he hated both men and women, how does it follow that his motivations were misogynistic and not misanthropistic or even misandristic? On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:
He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. What does that have to do with my question? A feeling of entitlement that you deserve more women than lesser men (which, let's be quite frank here, in his view included pretty much everyone), is just as misandristic as it is misogynistic. no it isn't... i don't even know how to respond to that. We agree that feeling like you deserve or are entitled to women is sexist and bad right?
Obviously. But you are missing the point. Do you understand what the words misandry and misogyny mean? "Hatred of men or women" respectively.
So if there is a person that hates both men and women (for whatever reason) they are both a misandrist and a misogynist by definition and more specifically (or I guess more generally actually) a misanthropist.
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On May 28 2014 06:12 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 06:08 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 06:04 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:01 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:58 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:55 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:43 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:36 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:32 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:
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He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. Even put into those words it still doesn't make sense. Because justice is punishing "crimes" with equal punishment. And I'm sorry killing people because they don't think you are deserving them or however you want to put it is not justice. No normal person would ever think that, it's totally irrelevant to our society and to us as individuals, because pretty much nobody except Elliot Rodgers thinks like that. of course his logic doesn't make sense, he is bad shit crazy. similarly his misogynistic views don't make any sense to me either. who said Elliot Rodgers motivations were relevant to anyone but himself?
Well if you agree that it's irrelevant and there is nothing we can do about it, why would you even mention it in the first place? i didn't agree with anything, i responded to you saying his motives weren't misogynistic and its taken this long to correct you. And if you read my post again you will find that all I said was "he didn't just hate women, he hated everyone." He hated women for not being with him and he hated men for being with the women he wanted to be with. This isn't just misogyny, it's misanthropy. I fail to see how that is an incorrect statement. christ you are stuborn; you also said "So what I'm suggesting is that his actions weren't the result of misogyny" I am saying clearly his motivations were misogynistic. But see I don't understand that logic. If he hated both men and women, how does it follow that his motivations were misogynistic and not misanthropistic or even misandristic? On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:
He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. What does that have to do with my question? A feeling of entitlement that you deserve more women than lesser men (which, let's be quite frank here, in his view included pretty much everyone), is just as misandristic as it is misogynistic. no it isn't... i don't even know how to respond to that. We agree that feeling like you deserve or are entitled to women is sexist and bad right? Obviously. But you are missing the point. Do you understand what the words misandry and misogyny mean? "Hatred of men or women" respectively. So if there is a person that hates both men and women (for whatever reason) they are both a misandrist and a misogynist by definition and more specifically (or I guess more generally actually) a misanthropist.
He didn't hate all men, he said he was going to murder every woman. you understand that a fully adjusted person can hate a man and a woman and not be a misandrist and a misogynist. His warped sexist ideas against women are why he hated anyone.
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On May 28 2014 06:12 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 06:08 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 06:04 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:01 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:58 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:55 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:43 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:36 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:32 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:
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He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. Even put into those words it still doesn't make sense. Because justice is punishing "crimes" with equal punishment. And I'm sorry killing people because they don't think you are deserving them or however you want to put it is not justice. No normal person would ever think that, it's totally irrelevant to our society and to us as individuals, because pretty much nobody except Elliot Rodgers thinks like that. of course his logic doesn't make sense, he is bad shit crazy. similarly his misogynistic views don't make any sense to me either. who said Elliot Rodgers motivations were relevant to anyone but himself?
Well if you agree that it's irrelevant and there is nothing we can do about it, why would you even mention it in the first place? i didn't agree with anything, i responded to you saying his motives weren't misogynistic and its taken this long to correct you. And if you read my post again you will find that all I said was "he didn't just hate women, he hated everyone." He hated women for not being with him and he hated men for being with the women he wanted to be with. This isn't just misogyny, it's misanthropy. I fail to see how that is an incorrect statement. christ you are stuborn; you also said "So what I'm suggesting is that his actions weren't the result of misogyny" I am saying clearly his motivations were misogynistic. But see I don't understand that logic. If he hated both men and women, how does it follow that his motivations were misogynistic and not misanthropistic or even misandristic? On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:
He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. What does that have to do with my question? A feeling of entitlement that you deserve more women than lesser men (which, let's be quite frank here, in his view included pretty much everyone), is just as misandristic as it is misogynistic. no it isn't... i don't even know how to respond to that. We agree that feeling like you deserve or are entitled to women is sexist and bad right? Obviously. But you are missing the point. Do you understand what the words misandry and misogyny mean? "Hatred of men or women" respectively. So if there is a person that hates both men and women (for whatever reason) they are both a misandrist and a misogynist by definition and more specifically (or I guess more generally actually) a misanthropist.
So hatred for one group only = misogynist/misandry
Hatred for both = misanthropist
Ah okay based upon this definition, he is not a misogynist.
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On May 28 2014 06:19 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 06:12 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:08 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 06:04 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:01 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:58 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:55 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:43 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:36 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:32 SlixSC wrote:
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Even put into those words it still doesn't make sense. Because justice is punishing "crimes" with equal punishment. And I'm sorry killing people because they don't think you are deserving them or however you want to put it is not justice. No normal person would ever think that, it's totally irrelevant to our society and to us as individuals, because pretty much nobody except Elliot Rodgers thinks like that. of course his logic doesn't make sense, he is bad shit crazy. similarly his misogynistic views don't make any sense to me either. [quote]
Well if you agree that it's irrelevant and there is nothing we can do about it, why would you even mention it in the first place?
i didn't agree with anything, i responded to you saying his motives weren't misogynistic and its taken this long to correct you. And if you read my post again you will find that all I said was "he didn't just hate women, he hated everyone." He hated women for not being with him and he hated men for being with the women he wanted to be with. This isn't just misogyny, it's misanthropy. I fail to see how that is an incorrect statement. christ you are stuborn; you also said "So what I'm suggesting is that his actions weren't the result of misogyny" I am saying clearly his motivations were misogynistic. But see I don't understand that logic. If he hated both men and women, how does it follow that his motivations were misogynistic and not misanthropistic or even misandristic? On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:
He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. What does that have to do with my question? A feeling of entitlement that you deserve more women than lesser men (which, let's be quite frank here, in his view included pretty much everyone), is just as misandristic as it is misogynistic. no it isn't... i don't even know how to respond to that. We agree that feeling like you deserve or are entitled to women is sexist and bad right? Obviously. But you are missing the point. Do you understand what the words misandry and misogyny mean? "Hatred of men or women" respectively. So if there is a person that hates both men and women (for whatever reason) they are both a misandrist and a misogynist by definition and more specifically (or I guess more generally actually) a misanthropist. He didn't hate all men, he said he was going to murder every woman. you understand that a fully adjusted person can hate a man and a woman and not be a misandrist and a misogynist. His warped sexist ideas against women are why he hated anyone.
Which is complete and utter nonsense on his part, because he himself was only ever concerned with girls he thought to be attractive, he didn't even consider hooking up with a fat girl or a girl that in his eyes wasn't attractive.
On May 28 2014 06:19 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 06:12 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:08 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 06:04 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:01 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:58 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:55 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:43 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:36 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:32 SlixSC wrote:
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Even put into those words it still doesn't make sense. Because justice is punishing "crimes" with equal punishment. And I'm sorry killing people because they don't think you are deserving them or however you want to put it is not justice. No normal person would ever think that, it's totally irrelevant to our society and to us as individuals, because pretty much nobody except Elliot Rodgers thinks like that. of course his logic doesn't make sense, he is bad shit crazy. similarly his misogynistic views don't make any sense to me either. [quote]
Well if you agree that it's irrelevant and there is nothing we can do about it, why would you even mention it in the first place?
i didn't agree with anything, i responded to you saying his motives weren't misogynistic and its taken this long to correct you. And if you read my post again you will find that all I said was "he didn't just hate women, he hated everyone." He hated women for not being with him and he hated men for being with the women he wanted to be with. This isn't just misogyny, it's misanthropy. I fail to see how that is an incorrect statement. christ you are stuborn; you also said "So what I'm suggesting is that his actions weren't the result of misogyny" I am saying clearly his motivations were misogynistic. But see I don't understand that logic. If he hated both men and women, how does it follow that his motivations were misogynistic and not misanthropistic or even misandristic? On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:
He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. What does that have to do with my question? A feeling of entitlement that you deserve more women than lesser men (which, let's be quite frank here, in his view included pretty much everyone), is just as misandristic as it is misogynistic. no it isn't... i don't even know how to respond to that. We agree that feeling like you deserve or are entitled to women is sexist and bad right? Obviously. But you are missing the point. Do you understand what the words misandry and misogyny mean? "Hatred of men or women" respectively. So if there is a person that hates both men and women (for whatever reason) they are both a misandrist and a misogynist by definition and more specifically (or I guess more generally actually) a misanthropist. So hatred for one group only = misogynist/misandry Hatred for both = misanthropist Ah okay based upon this definition, he is not a misogynist.
Being misanthropist includes being a misogynist/misandrist. However being a misogynist or misandrist does not make you a misanthropist. See how that works?
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He hated every man who was more socially and sexually successful than him, which was everyone. He planned to kill his little brother, whom he loved, because of his pathological jealousy of anyone more successful with women than himself.
His hatred with women arose from their "stupidity" in choosing inferior, jock-like brutes in precedence over "gentlemen" (read: nerds) like himself.
No need to politicise this.
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On May 28 2014 06:23 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 06:19 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 06:12 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:08 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 06:04 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:01 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:58 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:55 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:43 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:36 ComaDose wrote:
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of course his logic doesn't make sense, he is bad shit crazy. similarly his misogynistic views don't make any sense to me either.
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i didn't agree with anything, i responded to you saying his motives weren't misogynistic and its taken this long to correct you. And if you read my post again you will find that all I said was "he didn't just hate women, he hated everyone." He hated women for not being with him and he hated men for being with the women he wanted to be with. This isn't just misogyny, it's misanthropy. I fail to see how that is an incorrect statement. christ you are stuborn; you also said "So what I'm suggesting is that his actions weren't the result of misogyny" I am saying clearly his motivations were misogynistic. But see I don't understand that logic. If he hated both men and women, how does it follow that his motivations were misogynistic and not misanthropistic or even misandristic? On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:
He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. What does that have to do with my question? A feeling of entitlement that you deserve more women than lesser men (which, let's be quite frank here, in his view included pretty much everyone), is just as misandristic as it is misogynistic. no it isn't... i don't even know how to respond to that. We agree that feeling like you deserve or are entitled to women is sexist and bad right? Obviously. But you are missing the point. Do you understand what the words misandry and misogyny mean? "Hatred of men or women" respectively. So if there is a person that hates both men and women (for whatever reason) they are both a misandrist and a misogynist by definition and more specifically (or I guess more generally actually) a misanthropist. He didn't hate all men, he said he was going to murder every woman. you understand that a fully adjusted person can hate a man and a woman and not be a misandrist and a misogynist. His warped sexist ideas against women are why he hated anyone. Which is complete and utter nonsense on his part, because he himself was only ever concerned with girls he thought to be attractive, he didn't even consider hooking up with a fat girl or a girl that in his eyes wasn't attractive.
a lot of things he did were complete and utter nonsense, like when he said
I started to hate all girls because of this. I saw them as mean, cruel, and heartless creatures that took pleasure from my suffering
or when he said
All of those beautiful girls I've desired so much in my life, but can never have because they despise and loathe me, I will destroy.
edit: i got to go but it seems so obvious to me how all his hatred bread from his sexist views and hatred toward women. Considering he got it out there that that was the case as many times in as many ways as he could. You can call that w.e. you want.
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On May 28 2014 06:39 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 06:23 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:19 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 06:12 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:08 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 06:04 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:01 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:58 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:55 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:43 SlixSC wrote:
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And if you read my post again you will find that all I said was "he didn't just hate women, he hated everyone." He hated women for not being with him and he hated men for being with the women he wanted to be with. This isn't just misogyny, it's misanthropy. I fail to see how that is an incorrect statement.
christ you are stuborn; you also said "So what I'm suggesting is that his actions weren't the result of misogyny" I am saying clearly his motivations were misogynistic. But see I don't understand that logic. If he hated both men and women, how does it follow that his motivations were misogynistic and not misanthropistic or even misandristic? On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:
He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. What does that have to do with my question? A feeling of entitlement that you deserve more women than lesser men (which, let's be quite frank here, in his view included pretty much everyone), is just as misandristic as it is misogynistic. no it isn't... i don't even know how to respond to that. We agree that feeling like you deserve or are entitled to women is sexist and bad right? Obviously. But you are missing the point. Do you understand what the words misandry and misogyny mean? "Hatred of men or women" respectively. So if there is a person that hates both men and women (for whatever reason) they are both a misandrist and a misogynist by definition and more specifically (or I guess more generally actually) a misanthropist. He didn't hate all men, he said he was going to murder every woman. you understand that a fully adjusted person can hate a man and a woman and not be a misandrist and a misogynist. His warped sexist ideas against women are why he hated anyone. Which is complete and utter nonsense on his part, because he himself was only ever concerned with girls he thought to be attractive, he didn't even consider hooking up with a fat girl or a girl that in his eyes wasn't attractive. a lot of things he did were complete and utter nonsense, like when he said Show nested quote +I started to hate all girls because of this. I saw them as mean, cruel, and heartless creatures that took pleasure from my suffering or when he said Show nested quote +All of those beautiful girls I've desired so much in my life, but can never have because they despise and loathe me, I will destroy. edit: i got to go but it seems so obvious to me how all his hatred bread from his sexist views and hatred toward women. Considering he got it out there that that was the case as many times in as many ways as he could. You can call that w.e. you want.
Right, I mean he is in a way contradicting himself there anyway. First it's all girls, then it's just beautiful girls he's focusing on (fatties and uglies may live, they don't matter anyway.... justice in the eyes of "king" Elliot the crazy, first and hopefully last of his line).
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On May 28 2014 03:08 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 03:06 Nyxisto wrote:On May 28 2014 03:01 Figgy wrote:On May 27 2014 23:56 heliusx wrote:
Except he's not from Singapore. He's from a country with more guns than people. 300,000,000+ Canada has more guns that people. Know how many shooting rampages we have? Oh right, ZERO. Because we actually have regulation and don't sell guns SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO KILL PEOPLE. Also the fact that there are like 3 people per square mile in Canada might contribute to this a little. Every time population density plays a role Canada is hardly a very good candidate for comparison. People in the USA are just utterly brainwashed into thinking they don't have it anywhere near as bad as they actually do..
wait what? We are brainwashed into thinking it's bad but not that bad? Like compared to what? Can you elaborate?
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On May 28 2014 06:49 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 06:39 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 06:23 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:19 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 06:12 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:08 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 06:04 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 06:01 ComaDose wrote:On May 28 2014 05:58 SlixSC wrote:On May 28 2014 05:55 ComaDose wrote:
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christ you are stuborn; you also said "So what I'm suggesting is that his actions weren't the result of misogyny"
I am saying clearly his motivations were misogynistic. But see I don't understand that logic. If he hated both men and women, how does it follow that his motivations were misogynistic and not misanthropistic or even misandristic? On May 28 2014 05:25 ComaDose wrote:
He said it is an injustice he would not let stand that the women he deserves are with lesser men than him. This feeling of entitlement is misogynistic. He then said/implied that because of this he's gonna kill his roommates then go to the sorority and kill women then drive around killing randoms. Then he did that. What does that have to do with my question? A feeling of entitlement that you deserve more women than lesser men (which, let's be quite frank here, in his view included pretty much everyone), is just as misandristic as it is misogynistic. no it isn't... i don't even know how to respond to that. We agree that feeling like you deserve or are entitled to women is sexist and bad right? Obviously. But you are missing the point. Do you understand what the words misandry and misogyny mean? "Hatred of men or women" respectively. So if there is a person that hates both men and women (for whatever reason) they are both a misandrist and a misogynist by definition and more specifically (or I guess more generally actually) a misanthropist. He didn't hate all men, he said he was going to murder every woman. you understand that a fully adjusted person can hate a man and a woman and not be a misandrist and a misogynist. His warped sexist ideas against women are why he hated anyone. Which is complete and utter nonsense on his part, because he himself was only ever concerned with girls he thought to be attractive, he didn't even consider hooking up with a fat girl or a girl that in his eyes wasn't attractive. a lot of things he did were complete and utter nonsense, like when he said I started to hate all girls because of this. I saw them as mean, cruel, and heartless creatures that took pleasure from my suffering or when he said All of those beautiful girls I've desired so much in my life, but can never have because they despise and loathe me, I will destroy. edit: i got to go but it seems so obvious to me how all his hatred bread from his sexist views and hatred toward women. Considering he got it out there that that was the case as many times in as many ways as he could. You can call that w.e. you want. Right, I mean he is in a way contradicting himself there anyway. First it's all girls, then it's just beautiful girls he's focusing on (fatties and uglies may live, they don't matter anyway.... justice in the eyes of "king" Elliot the crazy, first and hopefully last of his line).
well according to Xiphos fatties and uglies are the only ones that have a chance of being liked for anything but their looks so i guess they are doubly blessed. But Elliot contradicting himself doesn't lessen my point in anyway.
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RIP to those who died, and I hope the survivors can find peace. This is an awful tragedy.
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