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The Land of the Video Geek - New York Times - Page 2

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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27178 Posts
October 08 2006 11:42 GMT
#21
MaZZa, the difference is that the word "geek" has a pretty negative conotation. The word geek creates the image of someone with poor social skills, uncool, and (usually) a teenaged male. His article then goes on to talk about people who are none of these things, and the fact that gaming in Korea does not fit that stereotype. I felt by naming his title such, he was basically calling all Koreans geeks -_-. It isnt about vocabulary, it is about creating a theme and being consistant to it.

It would be like naming a bodybuilding piece "LAND OF THE 'ROID TAKERS" and then going on to talk about natural body building.
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AmorVincitOmnia
Profile Joined March 2005
Kenya3846 Posts
October 08 2006 11:49 GMT
#22
basically he drags you in with the negativity then he wins your heart with the mystical land of south korea.
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
October 08 2006 11:59 GMT
#23
He's playing on the AMerican connotations and contrasting it with how gamers are thought of in korea.
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HappyManRun
Profile Joined November 2005
1111 Posts
October 08 2006 12:00 GMT
#24
On October 08 2006 19:54 Manifesto7 wrote:
I still find it disapointing that he named the piece "Land of the Video Geek". I mean he spent this whole time writing about how gaming is so mainstream, but still has to resort to the very stereotype it looks like he is trying to debunk. With that kind of attitude, he doesn't allow people to take his piece that seriously.

Almost sounds like he doesn't approve Korea at all...
But it was funny article. I sensed in the beginning how he chosed his words in a mocking manner toward gamings, deriding them. However when later on the numbers and quotations of the gaming representatives start to kick in, he cannot change those facts, therefore as the article goes on, the power behind video gamings and the glory of it becomes apparent despite the author's attempt to make fun of those "geeks".
Anyways gaming will spill all over the world. W00t w00t.
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mel_ee
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
2450 Posts
October 08 2006 16:31 GMT
#25
wow good read. I wanna look for this in the paper
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lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
October 08 2006 16:34 GMT
#26
Enjoyable read.
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zrucrem
Profile Joined September 2005
Afghanistan425 Posts
October 08 2006 17:41 GMT
#27
Well dont know about you Manifesto..

in Australia, geeks are considered norms here, we dont mind being labelled geeks

GEEKS FTW :D

mazza ftw
:D?!
overuoveruoveru
Profile Joined June 2006
143 Posts
October 08 2006 22:27 GMT
#28
watch the slides it was fun hah
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Courthead
Profile Joined October 2006
United States246 Posts
October 09 2006 03:09 GMT
#29
One of my fraternity brothers bought the NYTimes on Sunday just so he could show me this article. I must say it's a very informative and well-written article.

To those criticizing the author, I think you're wrong. He was not dissing gamers at any point during the article, and the title was chosen well imo. GrandInquisitor was correct when he said the journalist was simply contrasting American perceptions of gamers with the views held by Koreans. He was basically saying, "Hey, here in America we may think of these people as geeks, but gaming is really no joke and here are some examples to prove it."

Good to see stuff like this on the front page of one of the NYT sections.
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sweatpants
Profile Joined April 2006
United States940 Posts
October 09 2006 05:59 GMT
#30
On October 08 2006 20:42 Manifesto7 wrote:
MaZZa, the difference is that the word "geek" has a pretty negative conotation. The word geek creates the image of someone with poor social skills, uncool, and (usually) a teenaged male. His article then goes on to talk about people who are none of these things, and the fact that gaming in Korea does not fit that stereotype. I felt by naming his title such, he was basically calling all Koreans geeks -_-. It isnt about vocabulary, it is about creating a theme and being consistant to it.

It would be like naming a bodybuilding piece "LAND OF THE 'ROID TAKERS" and then going on to talk about natural body building.



I think necessary evil. Yea, "geek" has a negative connotation, but the message of the article is different. He used a little deception to draw in a larger audience. Wether or not the reader didn't pick up on the sincere tone of the article (despite the demeaning title) towards gamers/gaming, it's still better to have some perception of the culture than not knowing about it at all. This way, even though the readers have the wrong idea, there'll be a sense of familiarity if they're ever exposed to it again. And I believe every encounter with anything unknown brings about a better understanding of it. I think it's a slow process, but this is just the route that change takes.
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CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
October 09 2006 06:16 GMT
#31
chances are the reporter didn't have the final say in what the article's title would be.
but nice article.
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NoName
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1558 Posts
October 09 2006 06:24 GMT
#32
Right. It is usually editors and not reporters that make up article titles/headlines.
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pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
October 11 2006 21:12 GMT
#33
issit possible for the western world to be any slower?

kinda reminds me of a promo video of SK gaming (sweden) where this wc3 player was like " i train 4-5 hours a day" and thinks hes the shit
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19141 Posts
October 11 2006 21:46 GMT
#34
Yup good article, very enjoyable read. Thanks alot for bringing it to our attention.
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4646 Posts
October 11 2006 22:05 GMT
#35
On October 08 2006 10:50 CaucasianAsian wrote:
My parents saw starcraft in it and were actually disapointed that Starcraft actually was made to look GOOD instead evil like the usual soccer mom.


English plz?
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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8923 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-11 22:41:14
October 11 2006 22:40 GMT
#36
On October 08 2006 19:54 Manifesto7 wrote:
I still find it disapointing that he named the piece "Land of the Video Geek". I mean he spent this whole time writing about how gaming is so mainstream, but still has to resort to the very stereotype it looks like he is trying to debunk. With that kind of attitude, he doesn't allow people to take his piece that seriously.


I dunno. To me it felt like he invoked the traditional stereotypes of gamers that people have in America by using that title, and then proceeded to use the article to show how the stereotypes don't hold in Korea. I thought it was pretty clever, personally. It's like, "Haha, Geeks!!... oh wait, I guess they're not. Fuck."

Thanks for the article.

edit: GI beat me to it =]
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DarK]N[exuS
Profile Joined April 2006
China1441 Posts
October 11 2006 22:49 GMT
#37
Actually while the term geek may be defined as what Mani said in the dictionary, the colloquial meaning barely applies any negative connotations, at least in my experience of having just gone through high school and now being in college.
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Glider
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1353 Posts
October 11 2006 22:57 GMT
#38
In that picture... are the player's fingers bleeding??!
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
October 11 2006 23:09 GMT
#39
nice read
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
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