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Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
November 12 2013 13:37 GMT
#581
hardheadedness ftw
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shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
November 12 2013 13:38 GMT
#582
you draw a lot because chess isn't a game where you can easily press your advantage and "win more" if no weak moves are made
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
SpeaKEaSY
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1070 Posts
November 12 2013 13:38 GMT
#583
ahahahaha big lulz

i went away with carlsen's queen trapped in the corner and when i came back anand was surrounded O_o

entertaining 4 hours
Aim for perfection, settle for mediocrity - KawaiiRice 2014
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
November 12 2013 13:40 GMT
#584
Man, skipping a class to view this live was definitely worth it. That was one exciting game!
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 12 2013 13:41 GMT
#585
On November 12 2013 22:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 22:29 Orome wrote:
On November 12 2013 22:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
The Rd8 was a mistake for sure =[ anand pls


You can't even call it a mistake. The position isn't complicated, he knows he's basically offering a draw by playing Rd8. It's just an utterly feeble decision.

On November 12 2013 22:27 GolemMadness wrote:
What's the alternative to ...Rd8?


Bd4


Would you say he consciously chose to draw because he just wasn't feeling like he could convert the advantage to a win?


I'm sure it was a conscious decision to go for the draw, but I have no idea why. Bd4 looked really dangerous for white to me, but maybe he was sure it wouldn't be enough and wanted to save his energy for tomorrow? Really curious what he says in the press conference now.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
November 12 2013 13:41 GMT
#586
On November 12 2013 22:36 LaughingTulkas wrote:
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On November 12 2013 22:32 Andre wrote:
Has the number of draws always been so high in professional chess? Or is it a thing of the last few decades?


The giant struggle between Karpov and Kasparov for the title in 1984 had 38 draws, including a stretch of 17 in a row. What a match!

Oh damn, that's hilarious.

Well this was pretty amusing nevertheless, fight till the end! I wonder who scores the first real point, I guess the next match favors Anand a bit due to white?
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 12 2013 13:42 GMT
#587
On November 12 2013 22:41 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 22:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On November 12 2013 22:29 Orome wrote:
On November 12 2013 22:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
The Rd8 was a mistake for sure =[ anand pls


You can't even call it a mistake. The position isn't complicated, he knows he's basically offering a draw by playing Rd8. It's just an utterly feeble decision.

On November 12 2013 22:27 GolemMadness wrote:
What's the alternative to ...Rd8?


Bd4


Would you say he consciously chose to draw because he just wasn't feeling like he could convert the advantage to a win?


I'm sure it was a conscious decision to go for the draw, but I have no idea why. Bd4 looked really dangerous for white to me, but maybe he was sure it wouldn't be enough and wanted to save his energy for tomorrow? Really curious what he says in the press conference now.

But in the end, Anand comes out of this game better than Carlsen does. Carlsen achieved nothing as White again, despite getting the strategically complex game he likes to manouevre around in. Anand has the initiative atm I'd say.
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-Kaiser-
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
November 12 2013 13:45 GMT
#588
On November 12 2013 22:41 Andre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 22:36 LaughingTulkas wrote:
On November 12 2013 22:32 Andre wrote:
Has the number of draws always been so high in professional chess? Or is it a thing of the last few decades?


The giant struggle between Karpov and Kasparov for the title in 1984 had 38 draws, including a stretch of 17 in a row. What a match!

Oh damn, that's hilarious.

Well this was pretty amusing nevertheless, fight till the end! I wonder who scores the first real point, I guess the next match favors Anand a bit due to white?


To be fair, 1984 would be the start of "the last few decades".
3 Hatch Before Cool
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
November 12 2013 13:45 GMT
#589
On November 12 2013 22:40 LittLeD wrote:
Man, skipping a class to view this live was definitely worth it. That was one exciting game!


I agree! I think Vishy had the advantage and could have won, but let it slip away from him. I agree with the ICC guys who said that it seems that he is somewhat afraid of getting into time pressure against Magnus and if he had taken a bit more time (he was banking a good 15 min over Magnus there) he might have found the better lines at the end. Oh well, instead he plays safe and draws again. Still a great game, and I think analysis may show that black had a winning game, perhaps with 29. ... Bxb2 or 34. ... Rf8. This will be much more fun to go over in the days to come, that's for sure!
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
November 12 2013 13:46 GMT
#590
that lady is so beautiful :3
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Thojorin
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany162 Posts
November 12 2013 13:47 GMT
#591
boy, such an exciting press conference ... :-)
It is wise to keep in mind that neither success nor failure is ever final. --- Roger Babson
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 13:49:40
November 12 2013 13:49 GMT
#592
Magnus looks out of it. More than usual.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
November 12 2013 13:49 GMT
#593
Now only 19 hours and 40 minutes of waiting
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 13:53:49
November 12 2013 13:51 GMT
#594
On November 12 2013 22:46 Shock710 wrote:
that lady is so beautiful :3

You mean Anastasia Karlovich? Yeah, she is.

I love Magnus' style of handling press conferences. He's like "C'mon, gimme at least one good question..."
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
November 12 2013 13:51 GMT
#595
On November 12 2013 22:41 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 22:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On November 12 2013 22:29 Orome wrote:
On November 12 2013 22:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
The Rd8 was a mistake for sure =[ anand pls


You can't even call it a mistake. The position isn't complicated, he knows he's basically offering a draw by playing Rd8. It's just an utterly feeble decision.

On November 12 2013 22:27 GolemMadness wrote:
What's the alternative to ...Rd8?


Bd4


Would you say he consciously chose to draw because he just wasn't feeling like he could convert the advantage to a win?


I'm sure it was a conscious decision to go for the draw, but I have no idea why. Bd4 looked really dangerous for white to me, but maybe he was sure it wouldn't be enough and wanted to save his energy for tomorrow? Really curious what he says in the press conference now.
He's now addressed that, and it's pretty much what you say. He said that "normally" Bd4 is what he'd play, but he didn't see anything coming from it. He didn't specify why he didn't give it a shot anyway as he "normally" would, but presumably it was, as you said, to save energy.
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 13:52:48
November 12 2013 13:52 GMT
#596
On November 12 2013 22:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 22:41 Orome wrote:
On November 12 2013 22:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On November 12 2013 22:29 Orome wrote:
On November 12 2013 22:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
The Rd8 was a mistake for sure =[ anand pls


You can't even call it a mistake. The position isn't complicated, he knows he's basically offering a draw by playing Rd8. It's just an utterly feeble decision.

On November 12 2013 22:27 GolemMadness wrote:
What's the alternative to ...Rd8?


Bd4


Would you say he consciously chose to draw because he just wasn't feeling like he could convert the advantage to a win?


I'm sure it was a conscious decision to go for the draw, but I have no idea why. Bd4 looked really dangerous for white to me, but maybe he was sure it wouldn't be enough and wanted to save his energy for tomorrow? Really curious what he says in the press conference now.

But in the end, Anand comes out of this game better than Carlsen does. Carlsen achieved nothing as White again, despite getting the strategically complex game he likes to manouevre around in. Anand has the initiative atm I'd say.


Yeah he does, but he might've gotten something concrete out of today.

Anyway, he just answered the question in the press conference, he simply didn't think he could make any progress with Bd4. I still don't understand why he wouldn't just play it out though.

Ronen Har-Zvi didn't like it much either :
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Indiana-Jones(GM) kibitzes: unreal
Indiana-Jones(GM) kibitzes: he can not win a game
Indiana-Jones(GM) kibitzes: match over,
Indiana-Jones(GM) kibitzes: Anand telling
Indiana-Jones(GM) kibitzes: that he can not win
Indiana-Jones(GM) kibitzes: yup, if you not pushing here, you can not win a game / the mach
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 12 2013 13:54 GMT
#597
LOL these kasparov questions

wtf chess journalists
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
November 12 2013 13:54 GMT
#598
these questions about kasparov in the press conference...
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
NapkinBox
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States314 Posts
November 12 2013 13:58 GMT
#599
Are press conferences always this awkward for Chess?
"Who has the best durability feat in all of comic book superheroes?" "Aquaman surviving pop culture."
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 14:00:31
November 12 2013 14:00 GMT
#600
On November 12 2013 22:58 NapkinBox wrote:
Are press conferences always this awkward for Chess?

I sad the chess board questions werent really shown i when they start talking about moves, O_O no way i can remember which bit they are referring to.
Hopefully they'll get that board picture thing working for the stream
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
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