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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 12 2013 13:27 GMT
#561
On November 12 2013 22:27 GolemMadness wrote:
What's the alternative to ...Rd8?

Rf8? Bd4? Something like that I guess
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
November 12 2013 13:27 GMT
#562
Ha, and now Carlsen rejects Anand's draw offer!
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
hewo
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway119 Posts
November 12 2013 13:27 GMT
#563
It changed pretty quickly from white being tucked away in a corner to black being in the corner...

The Norwegian experts say that Magnus will win the match as a whole because Anand will get exhausted by games like these every day....
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Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
November 12 2013 13:28 GMT
#564
On November 12 2013 22:27 qrs wrote:
Ha, and now Carlsen rejects Anand's draw offer!


Not surprised actually! Still, it is a draw
Malli
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany138 Posts
November 12 2013 13:28 GMT
#565
Time to shake hands :D
gg no re
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 12 2013 13:29 GMT
#566
I think Carlsen rejected the draw to say to Anand "I am now in such a position I can safely afford to reject a draw!" compared to 10 moves earlier, and even though it is a total draw
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 12 2013 13:29 GMT
#567
On November 12 2013 22:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
The Rd8 was a mistake for sure =[ anand pls


You can't even call it a mistake. The position isn't complicated, he knows he's basically offering a draw by playing Rd8. It's just an utterly feeble decision.

On November 12 2013 22:27 GolemMadness wrote:
What's the alternative to ...Rd8?


Bd4
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
November 12 2013 13:32 GMT
#568
Has the number of draws always been so high in professional chess? Or is it a thing of the last few decades?
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
November 12 2013 13:33 GMT
#569
On November 12 2013 22:27 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 22:27 GolemMadness wrote:
What's the alternative to ...Rd8?

Rf8? Bd4? Something like that I guess


...Rf8 allows Rd7+, when black has to play Rf7 and trade rooks anyways. ...Bd4 looks more promising. Maybe something like Bxg6 Rf8 Qe4
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 12 2013 13:33 GMT
#570
On November 12 2013 22:32 Andre wrote:
Has the number of draws always been so high in professional chess? Or is it a thing of the last few decades?

Draws were actually highest in the Soviet era, when Soviet GMs would routinely simply play out short draws with each other.

Draws these days are usually at least mostly combative, but obviously top players are very good and the margin for a draw in a game is reasonably high.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
hewo
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway119 Posts
November 12 2013 13:34 GMT
#571
On November 12 2013 22:32 Andre wrote:
Has the number of draws always been so high in professional chess? Or is it a thing of the last few decades?


I think the percentage og draws is increasing over time. People are talking about chess as a broken game, becuase soon the computers will be able to calculate a perfect move for every situation, a way to play that ensures you never lose. And the professionals are getting really close to that limit aswell.
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 12 2013 13:34 GMT
#572
On November 12 2013 22:32 Andre wrote:
Has the number of draws always been so high in professional chess? Or is it a thing of the last few decades?


Most recent tournaments have had a good number of decisive results. A high draw percentage is typical for matches given the stakes and the extensive preparation.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
rtsAlaran
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany383 Posts
November 12 2013 13:34 GMT
#573
is there any restream of the official video stream? it is lagging horribly for me
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 13:36:20
November 12 2013 13:35 GMT
#574
On November 12 2013 22:32 Andre wrote:
Has the number of draws always been so high in professional chess? Or is it a thing of the last few decades?
The funny thing is that the rise of computers in the last few decades has shown that having mostly draws is NOT simply the inevitable result of players becoming better and better at the game—computers are far better than any people at the game of chess, yet they don't draw nearly as often (even with each other, I believe).

edit:
On November 12 2013 22:34 hewo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 22:32 Andre wrote:
Has the number of draws always been so high in professional chess? Or is it a thing of the last few decades?


I think the percentage og draws is increasing over time. People are talking about chess as a broken game, becuase soon the computers will be able to calculate a perfect move for every situation, a way to play that ensures you never lose. And the professionals are getting really close to that limit aswell.

Yeah, with all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 12 2013 13:35 GMT
#575
On November 12 2013 22:34 hewo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 22:32 Andre wrote:
Has the number of draws always been so high in professional chess? Or is it a thing of the last few decades?


I think the percentage og draws is increasing over time. People are talking about chess as a broken game, becuase soon the computers will be able to calculate a perfect move for every situation, a way to play that ensures you never lose. And the professionals are getting really close to that limit aswell.


For the umpteenth time in this thread, no. Computers are nowhere near close being perfect and players are even further from it.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
November 12 2013 13:36 GMT
#576
On November 12 2013 22:29 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 22:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
The Rd8 was a mistake for sure =[ anand pls


You can't even call it a mistake. The position isn't complicated, he knows he's basically offering a draw by playing Rd8. It's just an utterly feeble decision.

Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 22:27 GolemMadness wrote:
What's the alternative to ...Rd8?


Bd4


Would you say he consciously chose to draw because he just wasn't feeling like he could convert the advantage to a win?
TranslatorBaa!
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
November 12 2013 13:36 GMT
#577
On November 12 2013 22:32 Andre wrote:
Has the number of draws always been so high in professional chess? Or is it a thing of the last few decades?


The giant struggle between Karpov and Kasparov for the title in 1984 had 38 draws, including a stretch of 17 in a row. What a match!
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
hewo
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway119 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 13:38:28
November 12 2013 13:36 GMT
#578
gg

And I probably dont know what I'm talking about in my earlier post. I just wrote down what I've heard people say. I'm uninformed
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KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
November 12 2013 13:36 GMT
#579
Kinda funny to see them still playing this position.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 12 2013 13:36 GMT
#580
And that's a wrap
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