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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 30 2016 22:33 GMT
#1721
On December 01 2016 07:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Rxc7...

Oh geez man, I would've found that Rb1 with 3 second time controls. Pressure was too much.

I mean everything was losing anyway, can hardly blame him for making a desperate move under that time pressure.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 30 2016 22:36 GMT
#1722
On December 01 2016 07:33 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 07:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Rxc7...

Oh geez man, I would've found that Rb1 with 3 second time controls. Pressure was too much.

I mean everything was losing anyway, can hardly blame him for making a desperate move under that time pressure.


True, it was over at that point. But that move was the silliest thing I've seen, there's at least 3 follow ups to that win the game in a few moves that I saw.

Well, let's see if Karjakin can pull it off. At now point in these rapid games was I like, oh look, Karjakin is in a winning position.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
November 30 2016 22:38 GMT
#1723
In general people are way too harsh on blunders. Blunders happen.
~
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-30 22:39:49
November 30 2016 22:39 GMT
#1724
On December 01 2016 07:36 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 07:33 Plexa wrote:
On December 01 2016 07:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Rxc7...

Oh geez man, I would've found that Rb1 with 3 second time controls. Pressure was too much.

I mean everything was losing anyway, can hardly blame him for making a desperate move under that time pressure.


True, it was over at that point. But that move was the silliest thing I've seen, there's at least 3 follow ups to that win the game in a few moves that I saw.

Well, let's see if Karjakin can pull it off. At now point in these rapid games was I like, oh look, Karjakin is in a winning position.


Was it over? Rb1 puts Karjakin in a very bad position, but not significantly worse than in game 2 imo.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
November 30 2016 22:43 GMT
#1725
A sicilian - I'm dying of excitement now compared to the usual
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-30 22:45:58
November 30 2016 22:45 GMT
#1726
On December 01 2016 07:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 07:36 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On December 01 2016 07:33 Plexa wrote:
On December 01 2016 07:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Rxc7...

Oh geez man, I would've found that Rb1 with 3 second time controls. Pressure was too much.

I mean everything was losing anyway, can hardly blame him for making a desperate move under that time pressure.


True, it was over at that point. But that move was the silliest thing I've seen, there's at least 3 follow ups to that win the game in a few moves that I saw.

Well, let's see if Karjakin can pull it off. At now point in these rapid games was I like, oh look, Karjakin is in a winning position.


Was it over? Rb1 puts Karjakin in a very bad position, but not significantly worse than in game 2 imo.


I'd be very comfortable playing it (and I'm at 1700 nub). All of white's pieces were stuck. You can quickly win back a pawn there to even it out, and I think once you start moving your other pawns forward, it's a very favorable position imo.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 30 2016 22:47 GMT
#1727
On December 01 2016 07:45 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 07:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 01 2016 07:36 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On December 01 2016 07:33 Plexa wrote:
On December 01 2016 07:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Rxc7...

Oh geez man, I would've found that Rb1 with 3 second time controls. Pressure was too much.

I mean everything was losing anyway, can hardly blame him for making a desperate move under that time pressure.


True, it was over at that point. But that move was the silliest thing I've seen, there's at least 3 follow ups to that win the game in a few moves that I saw.

Well, let's see if Karjakin can pull it off. At now point in these rapid games was I like, oh look, Karjakin is in a winning position.


Was it over? Rb1 puts Karjakin in a very bad position, but not significantly worse than in game 2 imo.


I'd be very comfortable playing it. All of white's pieces were stuck. You can quickly win back a pawn there to even it out, and I think once you start moving your other pawns forward, it's a very favorable position imo.


I agree entirely. I still wouldn't call it losing though.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
November 30 2016 22:52 GMT
#1728
Does anyone have a stream with actual footage from the event? Would like to see the post game interviews.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
November 30 2016 22:59 GMT
#1729
Seems like Carlsens got a decent chance to win this one as well.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
November 30 2016 23:02 GMT
#1730
Makes you wonder if in the age of dominant chess computers faster time controls aren't the better measure of a player's skill.
Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
November 30 2016 23:07 GMT
#1731
On December 01 2016 08:02 bardtown wrote:
Makes you wonder if in the age of dominant chess computers faster time controls aren't the better measure of a player's skill.


I think we need at least slightly faster time controls. Also that would make spectating easier in some ways.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 30 2016 23:09 GMT
#1732
On December 01 2016 08:07 Arevall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 08:02 bardtown wrote:
Makes you wonder if in the age of dominant chess computers faster time controls aren't the better measure of a player's skill.


I think we need at least slightly faster time controls. Also that would make spectating easier in some ways.


There's arguments for both. My view about game speed has been that game speed should be such that 50%~ of games end in draws at the highest level. I haven't watched many chess championships, but this definitely has been the most boring I've watched. Not sure if it's because of the games, or the paywall which leads to less people caring about it.
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Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
November 30 2016 23:23 GMT
#1733
On December 01 2016 08:09 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 08:07 Arevall wrote:
On December 01 2016 08:02 bardtown wrote:
Makes you wonder if in the age of dominant chess computers faster time controls aren't the better measure of a player's skill.


I think we need at least slightly faster time controls. Also that would make spectating easier in some ways.


There's arguments for both. My view about game speed has been that game speed should be such that 50%~ of games end in draws at the highest level. I haven't watched many chess championships, but this definitely has been the most boring I've watched. Not sure if it's because of the games, or the paywall which leads to less people caring about it.


Sure. I haven't looked any deeper into the matter than the feeling that 2 hours too often give the best players enough time to figure out the critical complications in the mid-game.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
November 30 2016 23:44 GMT
#1734
Queen sack to win, nice finish
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
November 30 2016 23:45 GMT
#1735
Congrats Carlsen!
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-30 23:46:00
November 30 2016 23:45 GMT
#1736
WP Magnus.

Might have not won the first game, but there was at no point where Magnus was in danger (in the rapid games).
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
November 30 2016 23:46 GMT
#1737
First time following a lot of the games. What a show :D!
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
November 30 2016 23:46 GMT
#1738
gg Carlsen
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
November 30 2016 23:47 GMT
#1739
wow, stylish ending. The rapid games showed quite clearly that Magnus is the stronger player. Wonder if classical time controls should go down.
Antyee
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-30 23:51:13
November 30 2016 23:49 GMT
#1740
There are a lot of people pushing for shorter time controls and I'm fairly sure there was at least one tournament with top players using shorter time control this year; but I can't remember which one.
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