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On May 09 2015 00:08 corumjhaelen wrote: I had no sympathy for libdem, so I might be biased, but seriously I'm surprised they even vote any seat with that horrendous campaign. Is that serious ?
"We have no idea, no backbone, but the other two parties suck so vote for us !" It looks like a speech from François Bayrou.
On May 09 2015 03:48 Pandemona wrote: Lib Dems lost like all of the student vote as soon as they didn't give the tuition fee restructuring. As soon as they didn't do that because Conservatives practically said "nope, not happening" all the students got pissed and changed or got disheartened by politics as a hole and didn't vote. Thus they lose there seats in England. Add in the Scotland fact that everyone was voting SNP because they got the best of everything. SNP leader has said she "does not want another referendum on leaving the UK" but someone people who voted for them before still think its a possibility and the people who didn't vote for them now trust the party more due to that.
Was always going to be incredibly tough for Lib Dems to hold on to anything and im surprised Nick Clegg was able to keep his seat lol.
Oh well, its over now. Now we look forward and turn this into debating on policies that the house of commons produce than the election that has been won in a huge majority by conservatives
Conservatives have a majority of 6. It's not a huge majority, it's just a hugely unexpected one.
On May 09 2015 03:48 Pandemona wrote: Lib Dems lost like all of the student vote as soon as they didn't give the tuition fee restructuring. As soon as they didn't do that because Conservatives practically said "nope, not happening" all the students got pissed and changed or got disheartened by politics as a hole and didn't vote. Thus they lose there seats in England. Add in the Scotland fact that everyone was voting SNP because they got the best of everything. SNP leader has said she "does not want another referendum on leaving the UK" but someone people who voted for them before still think its a possibility and the people who didn't vote for them now trust the party more due to that.
Was always going to be incredibly tough for Lib Dems to hold on to anything and im surprised Nick Clegg was able to keep his seat lol.
Oh well, its over now. Now we look forward and turn this into debating on policies that the house of commons produce than the election that has been won in a huge majority by conservatives
Conservatives have a majority of 6. It's not a huge majority, it's just a hugely unexpected one.
They have the power to put through ANY of there suggestions in parliament unless they have some looney back benchers XD but thats what i meant. They can (or should atleast) get everything done the way they want to now, thus i count it as a majority :3
On May 09 2015 03:48 Pandemona wrote: Lib Dems lost like all of the student vote as soon as they didn't give the tuition fee restructuring. As soon as they didn't do that because Conservatives practically said "nope, not happening" all the students got pissed and changed or got disheartened by politics as a hole and didn't vote. Thus they lose there seats in England. Add in the Scotland fact that everyone was voting SNP because they got the best of everything. SNP leader has said she "does not want another referendum on leaving the UK" but someone people who voted for them before still think its a possibility and the people who didn't vote for them now trust the party more due to that.
Was always going to be incredibly tough for Lib Dems to hold on to anything and im surprised Nick Clegg was able to keep his seat lol.
Oh well, its over now. Now we look forward and turn this into debating on policies that the house of commons produce than the election that has been won in a huge majority by conservatives
Conservatives have a majority of 6. It's not a huge majority, it's just a hugely unexpected one.
They have the power to put through ANY of there suggestions in parliament unless they have some looney back benchers XD but thats what i meant. They can (or should atleast) get everything done the way they want to now, thus i count it as a majority :3
Major's government was infamously crippled by "four bastards". Blair had repeated huge back bench rebellions. The whip isn't as strong as you might think, especially on votes of conscience. A small majority gives a great deal of leverage to the backbenchers.
On May 09 2015 03:48 Pandemona wrote: Lib Dems lost like all of the student vote as soon as they didn't give the tuition fee restructuring. As soon as they didn't do that because Conservatives practically said "nope, not happening" all the students got pissed and changed or got disheartened by politics as a hole and didn't vote. Thus they lose there seats in England. Add in the Scotland fact that everyone was voting SNP because they got the best of everything. SNP leader has said she "does not want another referendum on leaving the UK" but someone people who voted for them before still think its a possibility and the people who didn't vote for them now trust the party more due to that.
Was always going to be incredibly tough for Lib Dems to hold on to anything and im surprised Nick Clegg was able to keep his seat lol.
Oh well, its over now. Now we look forward and turn this into debating on policies that the house of commons produce than the election that has been won in a huge majority by conservatives
Conservatives have a majority of 6. It's not a huge majority, it's just a hugely unexpected one.
They have the power to put through ANY of there suggestions in parliament unless they have some looney back benchers XD but thats what i meant. They can (or should atleast) get everything done the way they want to now, thus i count it as a majority :3
Major's government was infamously crippled by "four bastards". Blair had repeated huge back bench rebellions. The whip isn't as strong as you might think, especially on votes of conscience. A small majority gives a great deal of leverage to the backbenchers.
I guess, they have a majority lead of 4 so i guess if they have the "four bastards" again they in trouble xD but i have faith that some Lib Dems or other parliament members will give them more than enough to put through there legislations
Conservatives have a majority of 6. It's not a huge majority, it's just a hugely unexpected one.
Take out and the speaker and they've got 15 more than everyone else combined
If you take out those who don't traditionally sit in Westminster, yes. But it's still not an impervious majority. This is hardly a 2001 landslide. On an issue like Europe which has traditionally divided the party I would absolutely expect them to struggle.
This looks like it could open the possibility of a Conservative/Ukip coalition which would have been terrible.
Of course if a system like this was in place the result would have been different as people would no longer 'tactically' vote for the party that is most likely to beat what they do not want.
Tactical voting happens with proportional representation as well. We had it in our last elections. Our labour and conservative parties were polling 20-25 seats (out of 150) before the election. When the time came for voting it became a 2 horse race though and a lot of people changed their votes from the party they would initially vote for to the labour and conservative party and they ended up with 40+ seats each.
On May 09 2015 08:37 LaNague wrote: Uk people dont want proportional representation, do they? At least the last time they were ask 70% were against it.
But then again they still have a queen and a royal famaly to feed and a house of lords, so maybe they dont know whats good for them
I don't really mind the Royal Family, it's a good tourist attraction and they do a lot of diplomatic/ ambassador work.
The referendum was a pretty shit one, the vote was to pick a specific voting option rather than to just look at the current system. Add on that a lot of people weren't aware there was a referendum, I think the turnout was like 40% or something terrible.
On May 09 2015 18:49 Pandemona wrote: Yeah i had no idea how Ed beat him in the first time. Would be hilarious if David took control and won in 5 years time haha.
I think Ed got union backing and snuck in that way.
On May 09 2015 08:37 LaNague wrote: Uk people dont want proportional representation, do they? At least the last time they were ask 70% were against it.
But then again they still have a queen and a royal famaly to feed and a house of lords, so maybe they dont know whats good for them
I don't really mind the Royal Family, it's a good tourist attraction and they do a lot of diplomatic/ ambassador work.
The referendum was a pretty shit one, the vote was to pick a specific voting option rather than to just look at the current system. Add on that a lot of people weren't aware there was a referendum, I think the turnout was like 40% or something terrible.
I like it when the Royal Family are active, right now bless her the Queen is to old and should be passing it on to Charles/William so we can move on. I'd love to see Harry with it but i dont think he will get it unless something bad happens to his brother
On May 09 2015 08:37 LaNague wrote: Uk people dont want proportional representation, do they? At least the last time they were ask 70% were against it.
But then again they still have a queen and a royal famaly to feed and a house of lords, so maybe they dont know whats good for them
I don't really mind the Royal Family, it's a good tourist attraction and they do a lot of diplomatic/ ambassador work.
The referendum was a pretty shit one, the vote was to pick a specific voting option rather than to just look at the current system. Add on that a lot of people weren't aware there was a referendum, I think the turnout was like 40% or something terrible.
I like it when the Royal Family are active, right now bless her the Queen is to old and should be passing it on to Charles/William so we can move on. I'd love to see Harry with it but i dont think he will get it unless something bad happens to his brother
Harry is 5th in line so he will probably never get it
On May 09 2015 08:37 LaNague wrote: Uk people dont want proportional representation, do they? At least the last time they were ask 70% were against it.
if you're referring to the referendum we had, that most definitely was not proportional representation
if we assume that everyone who voted for the lib dems, ukip and the greens wants PR that's a quarter of the electorate right there
On May 09 2015 18:49 Pandemona wrote: Yeah i had no idea how Ed beat him in the first time.
unions. thankfully they've at least changed how their leaders are elected since then, but i can never vote labour while they're still overwhelmingly funded and controlled by a relic of the seventies
Not going to lie, i haven't even looked at Labour since Blair left. I was one of those who was drawn to Mr Blair, that guy was such a good speaker. Could convince me of anything. When he left Labour declined, Gordon Brown tarnished the party so bad. When Ed Milliband came in nothing changed he wasn't the leader they needed they need a good speaker with a touch of personality to get somewhere now.
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