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Northern Ireland27463 Posts
@Acro cheers for that, a good read, I’ll tolerate the off-topic stuff :p
I’d be interested to see what they’re actually building, and what its intended use cases are.
It could be a system that’s useless, thru actively nefarious, or something of potential utility.
Humans are already quite capable of going through stats and seeing demographic patterns. Or circumstantial ones too. Rather regrettably it’s basically a sure fire thing that domestic violence incidents/calls occur in the aftermath of England losing a big match in an international football tournament. Although interestingly, apparently slightly less pronounced in the one World Cup that took place in our winter. Less sunny, less people out boozing mayhaps.
We could already do this no bother, so why build such a tool in the first place?
Perhaps they’re looking for patterns amongst seemingly disparate noise, and reams of seemingly unrelated data, something some of this modern tech is very good at, especially with some direction.
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United States44373 Posts
On May 19 2025 04:14 WombaT wrote:
Humans are already quite capable of going through stats and seeing demographic patterns. Or circumstantial ones too.
We're really not. Especially when we have preexisting biases that we'd like to confirm. Having people do it is a surefire way to find out that we should deport all the gays or whatever.
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It's a lot better of credit to say that protein folding has had breakthrough due to the processing power boom that ai has spurred on. The Ai isn't finding new solutions because of ai ai is finding new solutions because it's got a lot more horsepower to play with and can repeat the lists of commands to send out to those horses.
The biggest advancement in computers, now that we're reaching the limit of our current architecture, has been from the graphics cards taking a step forward in the kind of simple calculations that things like protein folding needs.
Its the same way super computers were held back for a generation until they found a way to coordinate the blocks of computers.
Humans do not have the computing power that modern nVidia chips have. The ability to focus on a task relentlessly for days weeks months at a time with no break and no mistakes is also a weakness of the flesh.
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Northern Ireland27463 Posts
Well it appears the Gammon outrage machine have finally got their man.
I’m still unsure why Gary Lineker inspires remotely the level of opprobrium he does. To my rather leftists tastes he’s pretty milquetoast and not radical at all.
Not ‘stanning’ for Lineker by any means, but I think he’s a pretty interesting bellwether for how fucked a lot of our politics currently are by proxy.
Perhaps one you have to sort of be, if not dwelling here, then certainly a big consumer of UK-centric media to be aware of, so apologies to some of our international contributors!
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Okay you cant hate mainstream media enough:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz63d82z785o
Who are the winners and losers from the UK-EU agreement?
I'll comment on important parts:
Food:
"Winner: UK food exporters to the EU who could see fewer checks
Loser: People who don't want the UK to follow EU rules, as there are strings attached"
BS
Winners: everyone.
"But the deal comes with conditions. The UK will need to follow future EU food standards"
Losers: UK
The UK will be also required to make a financial contribution.:
Fishing:
Winner: The EU - fishing vessels get 12 more years of access to UK waters
Loser: UK fishermen who wanted annual negotiations on fishing access.
BBC is so effing stupid. UK simply lost on this deal. Presenting it as UK fishermen lost is just silly. No fishermen will vote labour again.
Youth mobility:
Winner: Young people in the UK and EU who should - if this is confirmed - be able to work and study more freely between the two
Loser: Those who oppose an increase in net migration to the UK will point out that any mobility scheme could affect immigration figures, although this effect may be temporary.
Winner EU, loser Labour. They literally handed all the Brexit voters to Reform.
eGates:
Winner: British tourists may be able to use eGates at EU airports but we do not know which ones and from when
Loser: Those expecting to escape long queues this summer.
BS, winners EU: "However the text of the EU-UK agreement is less clear, only referring to the "potential use of eGates where appropriate" "
Defence:
Winner: UK defence firms may get contracts from new EU rearmament fund
Loser: EU defence firms which hoped to get more of these revenues
BS. Now I am not sure what UK had to give up for that, but it wasnt worth it.
"The fund also allows for the involvement of a number of non-EU countries and could now be opened up to UK defence companies too. This would potentially allow EU firms to use the fund to buy kit from the UK."
So, Brexiters how does it going?
Franklty, from my point of view it seems like Starmer makes fire sale deals , jst so he can say "we made so many deals..."
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On May 20 2025 09:00 WombaT wrote:
I’m still unsure why Gary Lineker inspires remotely the level of opprobrium he does.
Because he is a millionaire advocating for poor people? (kinda like Farage). Dont take me wrong I love Garry, dude is a legend from the times when football was worth watching. Let me just put this one out: He never got booked. Thats beyond insane if anyone still watch football.
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Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On May 20 2025 11:21 Razyda wrote:Okay you cant hate mainstream media enough: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz63d82z785oWho are the winners and losers from the UK-EU agreement? I'll comment on important parts: Food: "Winner: UK food exporters to the EU who could see fewer checks Loser: People who don't want the UK to follow EU rules, as there are strings attached" BS Winners: everyone. "But the deal comes with conditions. The UK will need to follow future EU food standards" Losers: UK The UK will be also required to make a financial contribution.: Fishing: Winner: The EU - fishing vessels get 12 more years of access to UK waters Loser: UK fishermen who wanted annual negotiations on fishing access. BBC is so effing stupid. UK simply lost on this deal. Presenting it as UK fishermen lost is just silly. No fishermen will vote labour again. Youth mobility: Winner: Young people in the UK and EU who should - if this is confirmed - be able to work and study more freely between the two Loser: Those who oppose an increase in net migration to the UK will point out that any mobility scheme could affect immigration figures, although this effect may be temporary. Winner EU, loser Labour. They literally handed all the Brexit voters to Reform. eGates: Winner: British tourists may be able to use eGates at EU airports but we do not know which ones and from when Loser: Those expecting to escape long queues this summer. BS, winners EU: "However the text of the EU-UK agreement is less clear, only referring to the "potential use of eGates where appropriate" " Defence: Winner: UK defence firms may get contracts from new EU rearmament fund Loser: EU defence firms which hoped to get more of these revenues BS. Now I am not sure what UK had to give up for that, but it wasnt worth it. "The fund also allows for the involvement of a number of non-EU countries and could now be opened up to UK defence companies too. This would potentially allow EU firms to use the fund to buy kit from the UK." So, Brexiters how does it going? Franklty, from my point of view it seems like Starmer makes fire sale deals , jst so he can say "we made so many deals..."
Fishing is a tiny part of the UK economy that for some reason comes up all the time.
It’s probably the case that Labour take a lot of political heat for this deal, it’s still a reasonable deal.
The populist right live in dreamland, you can either try to placate it and, if you’re Labour lose anyway, or just go and do some sensible policy and say fuck it.
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On May 20 2025 11:34 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2025 11:21 Razyda wrote:Okay you cant hate mainstream media enough: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz63d82z785oWho are the winners and losers from the UK-EU agreement? I'll comment on important parts: Food: "Winner: UK food exporters to the EU who could see fewer checks Loser: People who don't want the UK to follow EU rules, as there are strings attached" BS Winners: everyone. "But the deal comes with conditions. The UK will need to follow future EU food standards" Losers: UK The UK will be also required to make a financial contribution.: Fishing: Winner: The EU - fishing vessels get 12 more years of access to UK waters Loser: UK fishermen who wanted annual negotiations on fishing access. BBC is so effing stupid. UK simply lost on this deal. Presenting it as UK fishermen lost is just silly. No fishermen will vote labour again. Youth mobility: Winner: Young people in the UK and EU who should - if this is confirmed - be able to work and study more freely between the two Loser: Those who oppose an increase in net migration to the UK will point out that any mobility scheme could affect immigration figures, although this effect may be temporary. Winner EU, loser Labour. They literally handed all the Brexit voters to Reform. eGates: Winner: British tourists may be able to use eGates at EU airports but we do not know which ones and from when Loser: Those expecting to escape long queues this summer. BS, winners EU: "However the text of the EU-UK agreement is less clear, only referring to the "potential use of eGates where appropriate" " Defence: Winner: UK defence firms may get contracts from new EU rearmament fund Loser: EU defence firms which hoped to get more of these revenues BS. Now I am not sure what UK had to give up for that, but it wasnt worth it. "The fund also allows for the involvement of a number of non-EU countries and could now be opened up to UK defence companies too. This would potentially allow EU firms to use the fund to buy kit from the UK." So, Brexiters how does it going? Franklty, from my point of view it seems like Starmer makes fire sale deals , jst so he can say "we made so many deals..." Fishing is a tiny part of the UK economy that for some reason comes up all the time. It’s probably the case that Labour take a lot of political heat for this deal, it’s still a reasonable deal. The populist right live in dreamland, you can either try to placate it and, if you’re Labour lose anyway, or just go and do some sensible policy and say fuck it.
Doesnt matter though does it? Fishing was sticking point of Brexit and for most people voting for it, optics are awful.
On May 20 2025 11:34 WombaT wrote:
The populist right live in dreamland, you can either try to placate it and, if you’re Labour lose anyway, or just go and do some sensible policy and say fuck it.
Thats the thing. A lot of Brexit voters came from labour base.
I am more saddened by the fact that you didnt comment on Garry part. I guess thats what one can expect from someone who consider something where weather can decide an outcome a "sport" 
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Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On May 20 2025 11:56 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2025 11:34 WombaT wrote:On May 20 2025 11:21 Razyda wrote:Okay you cant hate mainstream media enough: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz63d82z785oWho are the winners and losers from the UK-EU agreement? I'll comment on important parts: Food: "Winner: UK food exporters to the EU who could see fewer checks Loser: People who don't want the UK to follow EU rules, as there are strings attached" BS Winners: everyone. "But the deal comes with conditions. The UK will need to follow future EU food standards" Losers: UK The UK will be also required to make a financial contribution.: Fishing: Winner: The EU - fishing vessels get 12 more years of access to UK waters Loser: UK fishermen who wanted annual negotiations on fishing access. BBC is so effing stupid. UK simply lost on this deal. Presenting it as UK fishermen lost is just silly. No fishermen will vote labour again. Youth mobility: Winner: Young people in the UK and EU who should - if this is confirmed - be able to work and study more freely between the two Loser: Those who oppose an increase in net migration to the UK will point out that any mobility scheme could affect immigration figures, although this effect may be temporary. Winner EU, loser Labour. They literally handed all the Brexit voters to Reform. eGates: Winner: British tourists may be able to use eGates at EU airports but we do not know which ones and from when Loser: Those expecting to escape long queues this summer. BS, winners EU: "However the text of the EU-UK agreement is less clear, only referring to the "potential use of eGates where appropriate" " Defence: Winner: UK defence firms may get contracts from new EU rearmament fund Loser: EU defence firms which hoped to get more of these revenues BS. Now I am not sure what UK had to give up for that, but it wasnt worth it. "The fund also allows for the involvement of a number of non-EU countries and could now be opened up to UK defence companies too. This would potentially allow EU firms to use the fund to buy kit from the UK." So, Brexiters how does it going? Franklty, from my point of view it seems like Starmer makes fire sale deals , jst so he can say "we made so many deals..." Fishing is a tiny part of the UK economy that for some reason comes up all the time. It’s probably the case that Labour take a lot of political heat for this deal, it’s still a reasonable deal. The populist right live in dreamland, you can either try to placate it and, if you’re Labour lose anyway, or just go and do some sensible policy and say fuck it. Doesnt matter though does it? Fishing was sticking point of Brexit and for most people voting for it, optics are awful. Show nested quote +On May 20 2025 11:34 WombaT wrote:
The populist right live in dreamland, you can either try to placate it and, if you’re Labour lose anyway, or just go and do some sensible policy and say fuck it. Thats the thing. A lot of Brexit voters came from labour base. I am more saddened by the fact that you didnt comment on Garry part. I guess thats what one can expect from someone who consider something where weather can decide an outcome a "sport"
Call me a cunt if you want, just don’t disparage cricket!
I don’t think we fundamentally disagree here, if doing sensible things is going to politically hammer Labour, doesn’t mean they aren’t worth doing.
I’m ok with that. Brexit was a fucking ridiculous endeavour to begin with.
We can pursue sensible economic policy or not. If the populist right get mad, well so fuck they’d be mad anyway.
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Northern Ireland27463 Posts
Cursory of some googling the UK fishing industry is worth about 0.03 to 0.04% of GDP.
It’s ridiculous that it’s as prominent in discourse as it is.
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On May 20 2025 12:09 WombaT wrote:
Cursory of some googling the UK fishing industry is worth about 0.03 to 0.04% of GDP.
It’s ridiculous that it’s as prominent in discourse as it is.
Tbf, France is probably similar if not lower. Netherlands is definitely lower. It isn't really about GDP tho. There's towns all along the coast for whom fishing has been their way of life for effing centuries. It's about culture, not money. But it's also all entirely irrelevant: it doesn't really matter who fishes where, there's simply too many people fishing too much fish. Whether its Chinese megafleets plundering the Pacific, or Europeans emptying out the Mediterranean, fish populations worldwide are almost all endangered. The question isn't whether UK fishers have exclusive rights to fish in UK waters, it's whether the EU and UK can find a way to stop all of the fishers in all of these countries from overfishing all of those waters. So far, it looks impossible.
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United Kingdom10010 Posts
On May 20 2025 11:56 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2025 11:34 WombaT wrote:On May 20 2025 11:21 Razyda wrote:Okay you cant hate mainstream media enough: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz63d82z785oWho are the winners and losers from the UK-EU agreement? I'll comment on important parts: Food: "Winner: UK food exporters to the EU who could see fewer checks Loser: People who don't want the UK to follow EU rules, as there are strings attached" BS Winners: everyone. "But the deal comes with conditions. The UK will need to follow future EU food standards" Losers: UK The UK will be also required to make a financial contribution.: Fishing: Winner: The EU - fishing vessels get 12 more years of access to UK waters Loser: UK fishermen who wanted annual negotiations on fishing access. BBC is so effing stupid. UK simply lost on this deal. Presenting it as UK fishermen lost is just silly. No fishermen will vote labour again. Youth mobility: Winner: Young people in the UK and EU who should - if this is confirmed - be able to work and study more freely between the two Loser: Those who oppose an increase in net migration to the UK will point out that any mobility scheme could affect immigration figures, although this effect may be temporary. Winner EU, loser Labour. They literally handed all the Brexit voters to Reform. eGates: Winner: British tourists may be able to use eGates at EU airports but we do not know which ones and from when Loser: Those expecting to escape long queues this summer. BS, winners EU: "However the text of the EU-UK agreement is less clear, only referring to the "potential use of eGates where appropriate" " Defence: Winner: UK defence firms may get contracts from new EU rearmament fund Loser: EU defence firms which hoped to get more of these revenues BS. Now I am not sure what UK had to give up for that, but it wasnt worth it. "The fund also allows for the involvement of a number of non-EU countries and could now be opened up to UK defence companies too. This would potentially allow EU firms to use the fund to buy kit from the UK." So, Brexiters how does it going? Franklty, from my point of view it seems like Starmer makes fire sale deals , jst so he can say "we made so many deals..." Fishing is a tiny part of the UK economy that for some reason comes up all the time. It’s probably the case that Labour take a lot of political heat for this deal, it’s still a reasonable deal. The populist right live in dreamland, you can either try to placate it and, if you’re Labour lose anyway, or just go and do some sensible policy and say fuck it. Doesnt matter though does it? Fishing was sticking point of Brexit and for most people voting for it, optics are awful. Show nested quote +On May 20 2025 11:34 WombaT wrote:
The populist right live in dreamland, you can either try to placate it and, if you’re Labour lose anyway, or just go and do some sensible policy and say fuck it. Thats the thing. A lot of Brexit voters came from labour base. I am more saddened by the fact that you didnt comment on Garry part. I guess thats what one can expect from someone who consider something where weather can decide an outcome a "sport"
Fishermen spent years campaigning for Brexit because they were unhappy with the status quo.
The Brexit happened and they did nothing but complain as loudly as they possibly could about the terms of Brexit.
Now we are making a new deal with the EU, and guess what? The fishermen are complaining again.
Fuck em.
By hitching their wagon to Farage and his most extreme type of Brexit, they put themselves at odds with the entire rest of the UK economy. If its fishermen or the rest of us who have to struggle because of their own positioning on this issue, then they have made their bed and can lie in it.
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On May 20 2025 16:28 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2025 11:56 Razyda wrote:On May 20 2025 11:34 WombaT wrote:On May 20 2025 11:21 Razyda wrote:Okay you cant hate mainstream media enough: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz63d82z785oWho are the winners and losers from the UK-EU agreement? I'll comment on important parts: Food: "Winner: UK food exporters to the EU who could see fewer checks Loser: People who don't want the UK to follow EU rules, as there are strings attached" BS Winners: everyone. "But the deal comes with conditions. The UK will need to follow future EU food standards" Losers: UK The UK will be also required to make a financial contribution.: Fishing: Winner: The EU - fishing vessels get 12 more years of access to UK waters Loser: UK fishermen who wanted annual negotiations on fishing access. BBC is so effing stupid. UK simply lost on this deal. Presenting it as UK fishermen lost is just silly. No fishermen will vote labour again. Youth mobility: Winner: Young people in the UK and EU who should - if this is confirmed - be able to work and study more freely between the two Loser: Those who oppose an increase in net migration to the UK will point out that any mobility scheme could affect immigration figures, although this effect may be temporary. Winner EU, loser Labour. They literally handed all the Brexit voters to Reform. eGates: Winner: British tourists may be able to use eGates at EU airports but we do not know which ones and from when Loser: Those expecting to escape long queues this summer. BS, winners EU: "However the text of the EU-UK agreement is less clear, only referring to the "potential use of eGates where appropriate" " Defence: Winner: UK defence firms may get contracts from new EU rearmament fund Loser: EU defence firms which hoped to get more of these revenues BS. Now I am not sure what UK had to give up for that, but it wasnt worth it. "The fund also allows for the involvement of a number of non-EU countries and could now be opened up to UK defence companies too. This would potentially allow EU firms to use the fund to buy kit from the UK." So, Brexiters how does it going? Franklty, from my point of view it seems like Starmer makes fire sale deals , jst so he can say "we made so many deals..." Fishing is a tiny part of the UK economy that for some reason comes up all the time. It’s probably the case that Labour take a lot of political heat for this deal, it’s still a reasonable deal. The populist right live in dreamland, you can either try to placate it and, if you’re Labour lose anyway, or just go and do some sensible policy and say fuck it. Doesnt matter though does it? Fishing was sticking point of Brexit and for most people voting for it, optics are awful. On May 20 2025 11:34 WombaT wrote:
The populist right live in dreamland, you can either try to placate it and, if you’re Labour lose anyway, or just go and do some sensible policy and say fuck it. Thats the thing. A lot of Brexit voters came from labour base. I am more saddened by the fact that you didnt comment on Garry part. I guess thats what one can expect from someone who consider something where weather can decide an outcome a "sport" Fishermen spent years campaigning for Brexit because they were unhappy with the status quo. The Brexit happened and they did nothing but complain as loudly as they possibly could about the terms of Brexit. Now we are making a new deal with the EU, and guess what? The fishermen are complaining again. Fuck em. By hitching their wagon to Farage and his most extreme type of Brexit, they put themselves at odds with the entire rest of the UK economy. If its fishermen or the rest of us who have to struggle because of their own positioning on this issue, then they have made their bed and can lie in it.
What fishermen ultimately want is a sea as full of fish as it was 100 years ago and to be able to overfish that plenty to their heart's content with fish populations never declining. They are a lot like coal miners in the Appalachians except they 100% brought the decline of their profession upon themselves. Farage promises them oceans full of fish, just like Trump promises miners that coal will be back in vogue. Neither of those things are going to happen regardless of who's in power.
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Uk fishermen can have exclusive access to fish they cant sell because the UK doesnt eat them, or they can share fishing grounds and sell their catch to the EU.
Pick one.
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On May 20 2025 16:50 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2025 16:28 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2025 11:56 Razyda wrote:On May 20 2025 11:34 WombaT wrote:On May 20 2025 11:21 Razyda wrote:Okay you cant hate mainstream media enough: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz63d82z785oWho are the winners and losers from the UK-EU agreement? I'll comment on important parts: Food: "Winner: UK food exporters to the EU who could see fewer checks Loser: People who don't want the UK to follow EU rules, as there are strings attached" BS Winners: everyone. "But the deal comes with conditions. The UK will need to follow future EU food standards" Losers: UK The UK will be also required to make a financial contribution.: Fishing: Winner: The EU - fishing vessels get 12 more years of access to UK waters Loser: UK fishermen who wanted annual negotiations on fishing access. BBC is so effing stupid. UK simply lost on this deal. Presenting it as UK fishermen lost is just silly. No fishermen will vote labour again. Youth mobility: Winner: Young people in the UK and EU who should - if this is confirmed - be able to work and study more freely between the two Loser: Those who oppose an increase in net migration to the UK will point out that any mobility scheme could affect immigration figures, although this effect may be temporary. Winner EU, loser Labour. They literally handed all the Brexit voters to Reform. eGates: Winner: British tourists may be able to use eGates at EU airports but we do not know which ones and from when Loser: Those expecting to escape long queues this summer. BS, winners EU: "However the text of the EU-UK agreement is less clear, only referring to the "potential use of eGates where appropriate" " Defence: Winner: UK defence firms may get contracts from new EU rearmament fund Loser: EU defence firms which hoped to get more of these revenues BS. Now I am not sure what UK had to give up for that, but it wasnt worth it. "The fund also allows for the involvement of a number of non-EU countries and could now be opened up to UK defence companies too. This would potentially allow EU firms to use the fund to buy kit from the UK." So, Brexiters how does it going? Franklty, from my point of view it seems like Starmer makes fire sale deals , jst so he can say "we made so many deals..." Fishing is a tiny part of the UK economy that for some reason comes up all the time. It’s probably the case that Labour take a lot of political heat for this deal, it’s still a reasonable deal. The populist right live in dreamland, you can either try to placate it and, if you’re Labour lose anyway, or just go and do some sensible policy and say fuck it. Doesnt matter though does it? Fishing was sticking point of Brexit and for most people voting for it, optics are awful. On May 20 2025 11:34 WombaT wrote:
The populist right live in dreamland, you can either try to placate it and, if you’re Labour lose anyway, or just go and do some sensible policy and say fuck it. Thats the thing. A lot of Brexit voters came from labour base. I am more saddened by the fact that you didnt comment on Garry part. I guess thats what one can expect from someone who consider something where weather can decide an outcome a "sport" Fishermen spent years campaigning for Brexit because they were unhappy with the status quo. The Brexit happened and they did nothing but complain as loudly as they possibly could about the terms of Brexit. Now we are making a new deal with the EU, and guess what? The fishermen are complaining again. Fuck em. By hitching their wagon to Farage and his most extreme type of Brexit, they put themselves at odds with the entire rest of the UK economy. If its fishermen or the rest of us who have to struggle because of their own positioning on this issue, then they have made their bed and can lie in it. What fishermen ultimately want is a sea as full of fish as it was 100 years ago and to be able to overfish that plenty to their heart's content with fish populations never declining. They are a lot like coal miners in the Appalachians except they 100% brought the decline of their profession upon themselves. Farage promises them oceans full of fish, just like Trump promises miners that coal will be back in vogue. Neither of those things are going to happen regardless of who's in power.
Ideally while selling the fish at current prices.
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Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On May 20 2025 16:00 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2025 12:09 WombaT wrote:
Cursory of some googling the UK fishing industry is worth about 0.03 to 0.04% of GDP.
It’s ridiculous that it’s as prominent in discourse as it is. Tbf, France is probably similar if not lower. Netherlands is definitely lower. It isn't really about GDP tho. There's towns all along the coast for whom fishing has been their way of life for effing centuries. It's about culture, not money. But it's also all entirely irrelevant: it doesn't really matter who fishes where, there's simply too many people fishing too much fish. Whether its Chinese megafleets plundering the Pacific, or Europeans emptying out the Mediterranean, fish populations worldwide are almost all endangered. The question isn't whether UK fishers have exclusive rights to fish in UK waters, it's whether the EU and UK can find a way to stop all of the fishers in all of these countries from overfishing all of those waters. So far, it looks impossible.
I don’t mind those actual people complaining, even if I think what they want is unrealistic. It sucks that traditions, ways of life are trampled by the inexorable path of progress. And, not always progress for the better at that. I’m pretty sympathetic to those feelings, for those actual people.
It gets massively amplified by our right wing press, to the degree those unconnected completely think it’s a much bigger issue than it is. That’s really my gripe. And it was never really one of sympathy or solidarity, it was just an attack vector for anti-European screeds.
Depending on your coastal town, if it’s one that’s popular with tourists, the locals being priced out by holiday homes, property developers etc where half the town sits vacant half the year is a pretty disruptive thing as well.
You’re not going to read many ‘save our seaside towns’ pleas from the Daily Mail et al on that basis.
It would involve criticism of elements of their readership so of course that’s not happening.
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Why not move there yourself if you think those are such nice and orderly places?
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spoken like a true freedom enjoyer!
a lot of confidence for very little thinking, way to go.
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On June 11 2025 23:04 Simberto wrote:Why not move there yourself if you think those are such nice and orderly places?
Why would I? I am not the one destroying things and attacking people.
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On June 11 2025 23:35 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2025 23:04 Simberto wrote:Why not move there yourself if you think those are such nice and orderly places? Why would I? I am not the one destroying things and attacking people.
Yeah, but you seem to be very much in favor of oppressive regimes who are "good" at handling protest.
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