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CDC data says 3.3% of high school students identify as transgender and another 2.2% have questioned if they are trans. So 5.5% of adolescents or 1 in 18 are trans or questioning. Of course that's just the floor. When you look at the graph on the rates of transgenderism is has risen quite sharply in the last 10 years.
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Is there reason to believe it's going to plateau exactly now or will it go higher? So far there's been a 1500% increase in transgenderism among 13-17 year old females since 2008. Who knows how many are still repressed. Perhaps it's something like 12% like with left-handedness.
If the goal is to delay puberty until they are mature enough to decide their gender then that's potentially millions of students that would be on puberty blockers. Considering children don't really need a lot of medications like statins and antihypertensives that might make puberty blockers one of the most common medications children are prescribed.
This explosion in the rate of transgenderism is one of the reasons why some countries are shifting to a more cautious approach. There is disagreement over what's causing this so some consideration is warranted before mass-prescribing puberty blockers.
+ Show Spoiler +Note I'm using U.S. numbers because those are the numbers I have.
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Numbers of thing X rise sharply when thing X is recognised as existing by society. More news at 11.
There are not more transgender people, the numbers are most likely still the same as they were 50 years ago. They are just able to express their feelings now.
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On May 01 2025 17:51 Gorsameth wrote:
Numbers of thing X rise sharply when thing X is recognised as existing by society. More news at 11.
There are not more transgender people, the numbers are most likely still the same as they were 50 years ago. They are just able to express their feelings now.
I wish more people where aware of this haha... my god, how many times do you read history or historical fiction and you have all these people who are described as 'sickly' because they had some sort of medical problem, but no one knew what it was and so all of these illnesses and conditions where just lumped together... and now we're able to identify them the argument is LOOK HOW THIS IS NOW A NEW MODERN PROBLEM!
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On May 01 2025 04:53 Liquid`Drone wrote:
There are kids that might wonder whether they're trans. Maybe they eventually end up identifying as trans - and maybe they don't. If they end up going with no, then I think their puberty being delayed was probably negative.
I mean, not necessarily. Maybe the person needed that time to be sure they get it right. Maybe if they hadn't taken the time, they would question for the rest of their life if they could have gotten a better outcome by doing it, and that would affect their mental health negatively.
Either way, as BJ pointed out almost every patient who gets on puberty blockers goes on to hormone therapy afterwards, which shows that clearly doctors are not very liberal in who they prescribe puberty blockers to. This indicates to me that the more likely problem in this equation is that there are people who would benefit from blockers and aren't getting them, rather than that there are people who don't benefit from blockers and are getting them. In other words, if the thought is that there is a legitimacy to the idea of "let's be a bit careful with puberty blockers", clearly they're already doing this.
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Norway28789 Posts
Obviously there’s a relation between x is recognized as something real/acceptance of x and a rise in x - just like with left-handedness. But I also wonder if there might be more variables at play here - for example, how rigid are the existing gender norms? Like, I think it's highly plausible that a society more permissive and accepting of effeminate boys or masculine girls will have fewer of those masculine girls or effeminate boys question whether they are the 'wrong' gender.
I don't know what the number is for Norwegian high schools, but i am confident it is significantly lower than 3.3% identifying as trans. I work in one of the largest high schools in Norway and while I dont have the full overview of all the 1250 students at our school, I know of 3 trans students and also know the total number is lower than 10. Sample size isnt all of norway - but im also confident the number for all high schools in Norway is significantly below 3.3% - I expect it's a bit less than 1%.
I don't think the explanation that the US is more accepting than Norway and that this is why our numbers are lower necessarily makes sense - maybe for parts of the US, but not for the country as a whole.
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On May 01 2025 18:03 baldgye wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2025 17:51 Gorsameth wrote:
Numbers of thing X rise sharply when thing X is recognised as existing by society. More news at 11.
There are not more transgender people, the numbers are most likely still the same as they were 50 years ago. They are just able to express their feelings now. I wish more people where aware of this haha... my god, how many times do you read history or historical fiction and you have all these people who are described as 'sickly' because they had some sort of medical problem, but no one knew what it was and so all of these illnesses and conditions where just lumped together... and now we're able to identify them the argument is LOOK HOW THIS IS NOW A NEW MODERN PROBLEM!
You think transgenderism is some newly discovered medical problem?
It's also possible for things to increase precipitously. Many pediatric groups have been sounding the alarm over the mental health crisis among children. Rates of depression and anxiety are rising. You wouldn't say that children have always been just as depressed and anxious and now we're just able to identify it, otherwise we wouldn't have a crisis, would we?
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On May 01 2025 18:25 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2025 18:03 baldgye wrote:On May 01 2025 17:51 Gorsameth wrote:
Numbers of thing X rise sharply when thing X is recognised as existing by society. More news at 11.
There are not more transgender people, the numbers are most likely still the same as they were 50 years ago. They are just able to express their feelings now. I wish more people where aware of this haha... my god, how many times do you read history or historical fiction and you have all these people who are described as 'sickly' because they had some sort of medical problem, but no one knew what it was and so all of these illnesses and conditions where just lumped together... and now we're able to identify them the argument is LOOK HOW THIS IS NOW A NEW MODERN PROBLEM! You think transgenderism is some newly discovered medical problem? It's also possible for things to increase precipitously. Many pediatric groups have been sounding the alarm over the mental health crisis among children. Rates of depression and anxiety are rising. You wouldn't say that children have always been just as depressed and anxious and now we're just able to identify it, otherwise we wouldn't have a crisis, would we?
I think its much more interesting to look at rates of autism diagnosis.
Autism and transgenderism are definitely linked. There is absolutely no doubt about it. Trans people are 3-6 times more likely to be autistic than the general population.
https://autism.org/gender-discomfort-and-autism/
the rate of autism in transgender individuals is between 6 – 26% compared to a 1.85% prevalence in the general population
I don't know what conclusions you can draw from this, other than autistic people are more likely to have some kind of body dysphoria (I know I am both autistic and dysphoric to the point I don't have sex because the body discomfort is way too much).
Which goes to show exactly who it is the right wing are picking on I suppose.
Probably the most vulnerable people around.
It also means Elon Musk should look closer to home when assigning blame for his daughters transgenderism. Maybe its his genes - and his habit of snorting class A drugs - not the 'woke mind virus'.
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"Transgenderism" isn't a newly discovered phenomenon, but it being more accepted in society is.
Just like it did with homosexuality. Or you know, Euphoria made them all trans or something.
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On May 01 2025 18:54 Uldridge wrote:
"Transgenderism" isn't a newly discovered phenomenon, but it being more accepted in society is.
Just like it did with homosexuality. Or you know, Euphoria made them all trans or something.
I assume they exchanged the stuff that makes the frogs gay for transifying chemicals in the chemtrails some time in the last decade or two.
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I agree autism is the more interesting comparison but it’s also another one where you could say the base rate of autism is the same as it was 50 years ago and we are just better at diagnosing it. More likely it would derail the thread into some kind of RFK jr shitshow. Depression and anxiety it’s a lot harder to use that argument. Although thinking back I should have chosen teen suicide because I doubt anyone could make the argument that the rate is going up because we are better at diagnosing suicide. What’s astounding to me is the level of confidence that people have to know which thing is rising because we’re better at talking about it and which thing is rising just because it’s rising.
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On May 01 2025 18:58 BlackJack wrote:
I agree autism is the more interesting comparison but it’s also another one where you could say the base rate of autism is the same as it was 50 years ago and we are just better at diagnosing it. More likely it would derail the thread into some kind of RFK jr shitshow. Depression and anxiety it’s a lot harder to use that argument. Although thinking back I should have chosen teen suicide because I doubt anyone could make the argument that the rate is going up because we are better at diagnosing suicide. What’s astounding to me is the level of confidence that people have to know which thing is rising because we’re better at talking about it and which thing is rising just because it’s rising.
I don't know if this is a true dichotomy.
Its not simply things that we've discovered how to test for or just 'we're better at talking about it', but that we're much, much better at listening, when it comes to people with mental health conditions and learning disabilities like autism.
People on the spectrum I would wager behave very differently now to say 40 years ago.
I would suggest that people with autism now behave much more the way they would behave when allowed the freedom to make their own decisions in life, and this has fed into the rise in the number of trans people.
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On May 01 2025 18:25 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2025 18:03 baldgye wrote:On May 01 2025 17:51 Gorsameth wrote:
Numbers of thing X rise sharply when thing X is recognised as existing by society. More news at 11.
There are not more transgender people, the numbers are most likely still the same as they were 50 years ago. They are just able to express their feelings now. I wish more people where aware of this haha... my god, how many times do you read history or historical fiction and you have all these people who are described as 'sickly' because they had some sort of medical problem, but no one knew what it was and so all of these illnesses and conditions where just lumped together... and now we're able to identify them the argument is LOOK HOW THIS IS NOW A NEW MODERN PROBLEM! You think transgenderism is some newly discovered medical problem? It's also possible for things to increase precipitously. Many pediatric groups have been sounding the alarm over the mental health crisis among children. Rates of depression and anxiety are rising. You wouldn't say that children have always been just as depressed and anxious and now we're just able to identify it, otherwise we wouldn't have a crisis, would we? In what world are these things related other then 'line goes up'?
You come here shouting 'amagad look at how sharp this lines goes up" because you ran out of other arguments for hating on trans. We gave a simple but obvious reason to explain why the line could be going up and now you want to whatabout to depression to do what exactly? it dos nothing to disprove the reasoning why the line on transgenderism might be going up.
Different things can have different causes.
Its bullshit and just misdirection because your latest trans hate argument got defeated by simple common sense.
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Northern Ireland26736 Posts
On May 01 2025 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2025 18:25 BlackJack wrote:On May 01 2025 18:03 baldgye wrote:On May 01 2025 17:51 Gorsameth wrote:
Numbers of thing X rise sharply when thing X is recognised as existing by society. More news at 11.
There are not more transgender people, the numbers are most likely still the same as they were 50 years ago. They are just able to express their feelings now. I wish more people where aware of this haha... my god, how many times do you read history or historical fiction and you have all these people who are described as 'sickly' because they had some sort of medical problem, but no one knew what it was and so all of these illnesses and conditions where just lumped together... and now we're able to identify them the argument is LOOK HOW THIS IS NOW A NEW MODERN PROBLEM! You think transgenderism is some newly discovered medical problem? It's also possible for things to increase precipitously. Many pediatric groups have been sounding the alarm over the mental health crisis among children. Rates of depression and anxiety are rising. You wouldn't say that children have always been just as depressed and anxious and now we're just able to identify it, otherwise we wouldn't have a crisis, would we? I think its much more interesting to look at rates of autism diagnosis. Autism and transgenderism are definitely linked. There is absolutely no doubt about it. Trans people are 3-6 times more likely to be autistic than the general population. https://autism.org/gender-discomfort-and-autism/Show nested quote +the rate of autism in transgender individuals is between 6 – 26% compared to a 1.85% prevalence in the general population I don't know what conclusions you can draw from this, other than autistic people are more likely to have some kind of body dysphoria (I know I am both autistic and dysphoric to the point I don't have sex because the body discomfort is way too much). Which goes to show exactly who it is the right wing are picking on I suppose. Probably the most vulnerable people around. It also means Elon Musk should look closer to home when assigning blame for his daughters transgenderism. Maybe its his genes - and his habit of snorting class A drugs - not the 'woke mind virus'.
My personal theory is that, to varying degrees people with autism struggle with ambiguity, and gender expression is more ambiguous an area than some give credit for.
Where a neurotypical person may be say, a ‘tomboy’ (I haven’t heard that term in forever), but feel very feminine in their identity, some on the spectrum may struggle more to reconcile the two.
It’s a crude generalisation and I wouldn’t say it’s the reason by any means, but I think it probably is at least a factor. Based from my experiences of people I know, plus what I know about the pathology of both
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On May 01 2025 19:34 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2025 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2025 18:25 BlackJack wrote:On May 01 2025 18:03 baldgye wrote:On May 01 2025 17:51 Gorsameth wrote:
Numbers of thing X rise sharply when thing X is recognised as existing by society. More news at 11.
There are not more transgender people, the numbers are most likely still the same as they were 50 years ago. They are just able to express their feelings now. I wish more people where aware of this haha... my god, how many times do you read history or historical fiction and you have all these people who are described as 'sickly' because they had some sort of medical problem, but no one knew what it was and so all of these illnesses and conditions where just lumped together... and now we're able to identify them the argument is LOOK HOW THIS IS NOW A NEW MODERN PROBLEM! You think transgenderism is some newly discovered medical problem? It's also possible for things to increase precipitously. Many pediatric groups have been sounding the alarm over the mental health crisis among children. Rates of depression and anxiety are rising. You wouldn't say that children have always been just as depressed and anxious and now we're just able to identify it, otherwise we wouldn't have a crisis, would we? I think its much more interesting to look at rates of autism diagnosis. Autism and transgenderism are definitely linked. There is absolutely no doubt about it. Trans people are 3-6 times more likely to be autistic than the general population. https://autism.org/gender-discomfort-and-autism/the rate of autism in transgender individuals is between 6 – 26% compared to a 1.85% prevalence in the general population I don't know what conclusions you can draw from this, other than autistic people are more likely to have some kind of body dysphoria (I know I am both autistic and dysphoric to the point I don't have sex because the body discomfort is way too much). Which goes to show exactly who it is the right wing are picking on I suppose. Probably the most vulnerable people around. It also means Elon Musk should look closer to home when assigning blame for his daughters transgenderism. Maybe its his genes - and his habit of snorting class A drugs - not the 'woke mind virus'. My personal theory is that, to varying degrees people with autism struggle with ambiguity, and gender expression is more ambiguous an area than some give credit for. Where a neurotypical person may be say, a ‘tomboy’ (I haven’t heard that term in forever), but feel very feminine in their identity, some on the spectrum may struggle more to reconcile the two. It’s a crude generalisation and I wouldn’t say it’s the reason by any means, but I think it probably is at least a factor. Based from my experiences of people I know, plus what I know about the pathology of both
I think its really easy to 'diagnose' trans issues as a problem, when for the people who are actually transitioning, they are mostly a godsend.
I'd like to see more studies into people who de-transition. Not much likelihood of that with Trump's lot in power though, I think those kinds of studies will die off.
Google tells me that less than 1% of people who transition regret it afterwards. Compared to one poll about plastic surgery, which found that 65% of people regretted their surgery, I think we should all be able to agree that medical treatment for transitioning is incredibly successful and doesn't actually cause the harm that people are pretending it causes.
Obviously that's in lieu of lots of long term studies and data.
When it comes to 'line goes up' data about the number of transgender people, well that is a neutral set of data, and often goes along with the assumption that somehow that is harmful, when any angle I look at it from seems to suggests that the line going up is a fantastic thing and is genuinely helping alot of people.
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All of you in the camp of we should not give hormones to adolescents because it might have negative consequences, you have dicks. there are currently above 50% of people in western states who are routinely told to take a truckload of hormones and shut up about the negative consequences and this starts...
At puberty. Our society has zero objection to pumping young girls full of the right hormones but if a tiny tiny sunset of them want to be identified as boys, then we need to look into what these pesky hormones could do to them. Obviously there are risks and problems with any kind of hormones being added to our body and I am not arguing that everyone against it is wrong, I am saying that some people are choosing which side effects are problematic based on their political beliefs if the intended effects.
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On May 01 2025 18:58 BlackJack wrote:
I agree autism is the more interesting comparison but it’s also another one where you could say the base rate of autism is the same as it was 50 years ago and we are just better at diagnosing it. More likely it would derail the thread into some kind of RFK jr shitshow. Depression and anxiety it’s a lot harder to use that argument. Although thinking back I should have chosen teen suicide because I doubt anyone could make the argument that the rate is going up because we are better at diagnosing suicide. What’s astounding to me is the level of confidence that people have to know which thing is rising because we’re better at talking about it and which thing is rising just because it’s rising.
Let's say it's rising just because it's rising. Would it be a terrible thing if more people were experimenting with their gender in a society that doesn't try to stomp on people that do that?
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On May 01 2025 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2025 18:25 BlackJack wrote:On May 01 2025 18:03 baldgye wrote:On May 01 2025 17:51 Gorsameth wrote:
Numbers of thing X rise sharply when thing X is recognised as existing by society. More news at 11.
There are not more transgender people, the numbers are most likely still the same as they were 50 years ago. They are just able to express their feelings now. I wish more people where aware of this haha... my god, how many times do you read history or historical fiction and you have all these people who are described as 'sickly' because they had some sort of medical problem, but no one knew what it was and so all of these illnesses and conditions where just lumped together... and now we're able to identify them the argument is LOOK HOW THIS IS NOW A NEW MODERN PROBLEM! You think transgenderism is some newly discovered medical problem? It's also possible for things to increase precipitously. Many pediatric groups have been sounding the alarm over the mental health crisis among children. Rates of depression and anxiety are rising. You wouldn't say that children have always been just as depressed and anxious and now we're just able to identify it, otherwise we wouldn't have a crisis, would we? I think its much more interesting to look at rates of autism diagnosis. Autism and transgenderism are definitely linked. There is absolutely no doubt about it. Trans people are 3-6 times more likely to be autistic than the general population. https://autism.org/gender-discomfort-and-autism/Show nested quote +the rate of autism in transgender individuals is between 6 – 26% compared to a 1.85% prevalence in the general population I don't know what conclusions you can draw from this, other than autistic people are more likely to have some kind of body dysphoria (I know I am both autistic and dysphoric to the point I don't have sex because the body discomfort is way too much). Which goes to show exactly who it is the right wing are picking on I suppose. Probably the most vulnerable people around. It also means Elon Musk should look closer to home when assigning blame for his daughters transgenderism. Maybe its his genes - and his habit of snorting class A drugs - not the 'woke mind virus'.
Have you watched the video that Neb posted yet? If not I think you would find it interesting, he talks about why he thinks the link between autism and trans is not as clear. The video will do a better job but he says that Autistic people have very rigid thinking and gender roles. This was not a good explanation at all compared to his. I would be very interested though in your rebuttal to his if you did not agree.
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On May 01 2025 18:25 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2025 18:03 baldgye wrote:On May 01 2025 17:51 Gorsameth wrote:
Numbers of thing X rise sharply when thing X is recognised as existing by society. More news at 11.
There are not more transgender people, the numbers are most likely still the same as they were 50 years ago. They are just able to express their feelings now. I wish more people where aware of this haha... my god, how many times do you read history or historical fiction and you have all these people who are described as 'sickly' because they had some sort of medical problem, but no one knew what it was and so all of these illnesses and conditions where just lumped together... and now we're able to identify them the argument is LOOK HOW THIS IS NOW A NEW MODERN PROBLEM! You think transgenderism is some newly discovered medical problem? It's also possible for things to increase precipitously. Many pediatric groups have been sounding the alarm over the mental health crisis among children. Rates of depression and anxiety are rising. You wouldn't say that children have always been just as depressed and anxious and now we're just able to identify it, otherwise we wouldn't have a crisis, would we?
No?
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Northern Ireland26736 Posts
On May 01 2025 19:48 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2025 19:34 WombaT wrote:On May 01 2025 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2025 18:25 BlackJack wrote:On May 01 2025 18:03 baldgye wrote:On May 01 2025 17:51 Gorsameth wrote:
Numbers of thing X rise sharply when thing X is recognised as existing by society. More news at 11.
There are not more transgender people, the numbers are most likely still the same as they were 50 years ago. They are just able to express their feelings now. I wish more people where aware of this haha... my god, how many times do you read history or historical fiction and you have all these people who are described as 'sickly' because they had some sort of medical problem, but no one knew what it was and so all of these illnesses and conditions where just lumped together... and now we're able to identify them the argument is LOOK HOW THIS IS NOW A NEW MODERN PROBLEM! You think transgenderism is some newly discovered medical problem? It's also possible for things to increase precipitously. Many pediatric groups have been sounding the alarm over the mental health crisis among children. Rates of depression and anxiety are rising. You wouldn't say that children have always been just as depressed and anxious and now we're just able to identify it, otherwise we wouldn't have a crisis, would we? I think its much more interesting to look at rates of autism diagnosis. Autism and transgenderism are definitely linked. There is absolutely no doubt about it. Trans people are 3-6 times more likely to be autistic than the general population. https://autism.org/gender-discomfort-and-autism/the rate of autism in transgender individuals is between 6 – 26% compared to a 1.85% prevalence in the general population I don't know what conclusions you can draw from this, other than autistic people are more likely to have some kind of body dysphoria (I know I am both autistic and dysphoric to the point I don't have sex because the body discomfort is way too much). Which goes to show exactly who it is the right wing are picking on I suppose. Probably the most vulnerable people around. It also means Elon Musk should look closer to home when assigning blame for his daughters transgenderism. Maybe its his genes - and his habit of snorting class A drugs - not the 'woke mind virus'. My personal theory is that, to varying degrees people with autism struggle with ambiguity, and gender expression is more ambiguous an area than some give credit for. Where a neurotypical person may be say, a ‘tomboy’ (I haven’t heard that term in forever), but feel very feminine in their identity, some on the spectrum may struggle more to reconcile the two. It’s a crude generalisation and I wouldn’t say it’s the reason by any means, but I think it probably is at least a factor. Based from my experiences of people I know, plus what I know about the pathology of both I think its really easy to 'diagnose' trans issues as a problem, when for the people who are actually transitioning, they are mostly a godsend. I'd like to see more studies into people who de-transition. Not much likelihood of that with Trump's lot in power though, I think those kinds of studies will die off. Google tells me that less than 1% of people who transition regret it afterwards. Compared to one poll about plastic surgery, which found that 65% of people regretted their surgery, I think we should all be able to agree that medical treatment for transitioning is incredibly successful and doesn't actually cause the harm that people are pretending it causes. Obviously that's in lieu of lots of long term studies and data. When it comes to 'line goes up' data about the number of transgender people, well that is a neutral set of data, and often goes along with the assumption that somehow that is harmful, when any angle I look at it from seems to suggests that the line going up is a fantastic thing and is genuinely helping alot of people.
If I framed it in such a manner, was not my intent. If there’s a link, and why there’s a link between being autistic and trans it’s just summat that ‘is’ for me. For example, bipolar folk tend to have substance abuse issues too, it’s not the nature of that particular beast. But to understand is to at least have a better shot at tackling it.
I’d agree that the more rigorous studies the better. I think we’re too accustomed to instant answers on everything these days, sometimes we just don’t conclusively know every facet of something because sufficiently rigorous study and data just isn’t there. (See - Covid)
So you quite often see a battle of ‘throw the first study that agrees with me’ and that back-and-forth. Including all of that lovely concern trolling that’s totally earnest!
In actual UK-specific policy news: FA Bars Transgender Women from Women’s Football - BBC
What was the FA's previous policy?
Under amended rules announced on 11 April, the FA said transgender women could continue to participate in women's football provided they met certain criteria.
They would have to prove via medical records that their testosterone levels had been below prescribed levels for at least the past 12 months, and provide a record of hormone therapy and an annual review of treatment.
A new formal process, which would involve a "match observation" by an FA official, would give the FA "ultimate discretion" on a case-by-case basis.
How many players will be barred?
Last month the FA said 20 transgender women were registered among millions of amateur players.
There are no registered transgender women in the professional game across the Home Nations.
Last week anti-discrimination group Kick it Out said the Supreme Court ruling would have "far-reaching consequences" and called for "everyone in football community to treat one another with respect and compassion"
To me that previous policy seemed a reasonable halfway house, but is not compatible with the Supreme Court ruling, so unfortunately had to go.
For non-UK folks, it’s quite difficult to describe quite the scale of UK grass-roots football. Take a dander on a Sat or especially Sunday and you’ll run into an organised game for a league, with a qualified ref and with a smattering of spectators. It’s something I think we do pretty well as a nation actually, and most know I’m not especially jingoistic to put it mildly :p
You’ve got 20 trans women playing with women in the entirety of the English grass roots game, of by far England’s most popular sport and none at any elite level?
And this is a big huge problem?
I think it’s a good example of how problematic this ruling is, because it precludes sensible compromises that try to make things fair for everyone.
Of the trans folk I know, they’re all dainty wee things. The one exception who I think would give me a run for my money in an aerial dual or w/e hasn’t fully medically transitioned.
Previously the latter wouldn’t have been eligible to play women’s football anyway, and now all those dainty wee lasses have to play with blokes, or not at all.
That doesn’t sit right with me at all.
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For the people who might have thought that appeasing the transphobes was a good idea, here's how Maya Forstater's org is capitalizing on this ruling by the Supreme Court: they now argue that since they've made laws to make life worse for trans people, it would be cruel to subject kids to that life and therefore no kids should be allowed to transition and live the cruel experience that they've created for them.
"Children under the care of all gender services, both NHS and private, must now be told that they will never be able to access spaces or services for the opposite sex, no matter what legal or medical steps they take now or in the future. Such children will, throughout their lives, need to use either the spaces and services designated for their own sex or an alternative provided for both sexes (mixed-sex or single-user) if available.
This means that the entire premise of treatment with puberty blockers for gender dysphoria has fallen away. The drugs are intended to block gender-distressed children’s natural puberty so that if they persist in cross-sex identification and progress to cross-sex hormones and perhaps surgery, they will “pass” better as the opposite sex. But passing as the opposite sex ceases to be a desirable goal to present to children when they will never be permitted to use spaces or services for the opposite sex, and may in future be restricted in employment in roles such as police officer or nurse which can involve intimate contact with others in situations where sex matters for those others’ human rights. Instead it becomes a major, permanent social problem for those young people, since their future lives and freedoms will be seriously curtailed by being legally barred from using the other sex’s spaces while appearing anomalous in those for their own sex."
It cannot be stressed enough that the cruelty is the point. These were never people with concerns about safety, they were always weird perverts with concerns about trans people existing. Look at the state of this argument, imagine having to steelman this.
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