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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4454 Posts
July 10 2016 00:57 GMT
#4101
Government rejects petition for second referendum

The Foreign Office, the ministry that had steered through parliament the EU Referendum Act setting out the rules, responded that the legislation did not set a threshold for the result or for minimum turnout.

"The Prime Minister and Government have been clear that this was a once in a generation vote and, as the Prime Minister has said, the decision must be respected," it said.

"We must now prepare for the process to exit the EU and the Government is committed to ensuring the best possible outcome for the British people in the negotiations."

Both candidates to replace David Cameron as leader of the ruling Conservative Party and prime minister have said the result of the referendum should not be questioned and Brexit should be delivered.

"Brexit means Brexit," front-runner Theresa May, the interior minister, said in a speech announcing her bid. May had advocated staying in the bloc, but was not a leading figure in the "remain" campaign.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-10 01:18:21
July 10 2016 01:18 GMT
#4102
On July 10 2016 09:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Government rejects petition for second referendum

Show nested quote +
The Foreign Office, the ministry that had steered through parliament the EU Referendum Act setting out the rules, responded that the legislation did not set a threshold for the result or for minimum turnout.

"The Prime Minister and Government have been clear that this was a once in a generation vote and, as the Prime Minister has said, the decision must be respected," it said.

"We must now prepare for the process to exit the EU and the Government is committed to ensuring the best possible outcome for the British people in the negotiations."

Both candidates to replace David Cameron as leader of the ruling Conservative Party and prime minister have said the result of the referendum should not be questioned and Brexit should be delivered.

"Brexit means Brexit," front-runner Theresa May, the interior minister, said in a speech announcing her bid. May had advocated staying in the bloc, but was not a leading figure in the "remain" campaign.


Ofcourse, that was never going to happen, if anything they probably know its not going to happen either but they still have to petition regardless. If to do nothing more than make a point

kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
July 10 2016 09:18 GMT
#4103
On July 10 2016 09:04 LegalLord wrote:
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they would use a Remain victory as motivation for revenge.

But trying to insinuate, "if you're for Brexit you stand with the racists and xenophobes and godless communists" is goddamn disingenuous. It is very much so possible to disagree with the outcome of a referendum without trying to convince yourself that the other side is morally inferior or something.

It's not about the other side being morally inferior, it's simply true that every single extremist right wing organisation wanted Brexit - so it's not an insane line of thought to assume some of the extremely thick people that support these organisations thought it would now be ok to abuse immigrants since they'd be getting deported or something anyway. It takes an extraordinary level of cognitive dissonance to deny these two things as being related.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
July 10 2016 13:36 GMT
#4104
On July 10 2016 09:04 LegalLord wrote:
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they would use a Remain victory as motivation for revenge.

But trying to insinuate, "if you're for Brexit you stand with the racists and xenophobes and godless communists" is goddamn disingenuous. It is very much so possible to disagree with the outcome of a referendum without trying to convince yourself that the other side is morally inferior or something.

The inference that those who voted leave are morally inferior are all yours.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 10 2016 15:33 GMT
#4105
On July 10 2016 18:18 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2016 09:04 LegalLord wrote:
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they would use a Remain victory as motivation for revenge.

But trying to insinuate, "if you're for Brexit you stand with the racists and xenophobes and godless communists" is goddamn disingenuous. It is very much so possible to disagree with the outcome of a referendum without trying to convince yourself that the other side is morally inferior or something.

It's not about the other side being morally inferior, it's simply true that every single extremist right wing organisation wanted Brexit - so it's not an insane line of thought to assume some of the extremely thick people that support these organisations thought it would now be ok to abuse immigrants since they'd be getting deported or something anyway. It takes an extraordinary level of cognitive dissonance to deny these two things as being related.

The radical right are anti-immigration. Anti-immigration are generally pro-Brexit. However, it doesn't work in the opposite direction: not all Brexiters are anti-immigration, and not all anti-immigration people are the radical right. And we don't know the result of a counterfactual of Remain winning; maybe just the referendum itself inspired the people who attacked others and they would have done it anyways if the result were different. I think it pointless that people try to tie Leave voters to what happened when deep down, it's an assertion based on nothing but dissatisfaction with the results.

On July 10 2016 22:36 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2016 09:04 LegalLord wrote:
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they would use a Remain victory as motivation for revenge.

But trying to insinuate, "if you're for Brexit you stand with the racists and xenophobes and godless communists" is goddamn disingenuous. It is very much so possible to disagree with the outcome of a referendum without trying to convince yourself that the other side is morally inferior or something.

The inference that those who voted leave are morally inferior are all yours.

The insinuation is absolutely there when you try to argue that one side is worse than the other. You can certainly argue the semantics of whether or not that was specifically what was said or whether it was something slightly different, but semantic arguments are generally pointless.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
July 10 2016 15:49 GMT
#4106
On July 11 2016 00:33 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2016 18:18 kollin wrote:
On July 10 2016 09:04 LegalLord wrote:
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they would use a Remain victory as motivation for revenge.

But trying to insinuate, "if you're for Brexit you stand with the racists and xenophobes and godless communists" is goddamn disingenuous. It is very much so possible to disagree with the outcome of a referendum without trying to convince yourself that the other side is morally inferior or something.

It's not about the other side being morally inferior, it's simply true that every single extremist right wing organisation wanted Brexit - so it's not an insane line of thought to assume some of the extremely thick people that support these organisations thought it would now be ok to abuse immigrants since they'd be getting deported or something anyway. It takes an extraordinary level of cognitive dissonance to deny these two things as being related.

The radical right are anti-immigration. Anti-immigration are generally pro-Brexit. However, it doesn't work in the opposite direction: not all Brexiters are anti-immigration, and not all anti-immigration people are the radical right. And we don't know the result of a counterfactual of Remain winning; maybe just the referendum itself inspired the people who attacked others and they would have done it anyways if the result were different. I think it pointless that people try to tie Leave voters to what happened when deep down, it's an assertion based on nothing but dissatisfaction with the results.

Show nested quote +
On July 10 2016 22:36 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On July 10 2016 09:04 LegalLord wrote:
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they would use a Remain victory as motivation for revenge.

But trying to insinuate, "if you're for Brexit you stand with the racists and xenophobes and godless communists" is goddamn disingenuous. It is very much so possible to disagree with the outcome of a referendum without trying to convince yourself that the other side is morally inferior or something.

The inference that those who voted leave are morally inferior are all yours.

The insinuation is absolutely there when you try to argue that one side is worse than the other. You can certainly argue the semantics of whether or not that was specifically what was said or whether it was something slightly different, but semantic arguments are generally pointless.

I didn't say all anti-immigration people were radical right, or all Brexit voters were anti-immigration. But the radical right certainly were Brexit voters and have felt emboldened to carry out racis attacks by this fact. I'm not saying this makes one side superior to another, simply pointing out a fact.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 10 2016 17:47 GMT
#4107
At this point we're far from the original point I was making and furthermore we're talking in circles. No point in continuing.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-11 11:26:49
July 11 2016 10:59 GMT
#4108
Leadsom about to quit. May PM.

If Benn doesn't step up for Labour then we're going to have a conservative government for the foreseeable future. As far as I'm concerned, Eagle and Corbyn are both equally unelectable.
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
July 11 2016 11:36 GMT
#4109
And so the circle is complete, i was around when the last female prime minister destroyed the North of England\Scotland\Wales and Ireland. Her legacy was the country of London.

Now we have another whom is going to finish the job, only this time there is no industry left to destroy, so i guess its the NHS, Councils and Schools that will take the brunt when she pulls the pin on the grenade and takes us out.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
July 11 2016 11:40 GMT
#4110
On July 11 2016 20:36 Topdoller wrote:
And so the circle is complete, i was around when the last female prime minister destroyed the North of England\Scotland\Wales and Ireland. Her legacy was the country of London.

Now we have another whom is going to finish the job, only this time there is no industry left to destroy, so i guess its the NHS, Councils and Schools that will take the brunt when she pulls the pin on the grenade and takes us out.

but they are getting 350m a week extra! Rejoice!
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
July 11 2016 11:41 GMT
#4111
On July 11 2016 20:36 Topdoller wrote:
And so the circle is complete, i was around when the last female prime minister destroyed the North of England\Scotland\Wales and Ireland. Her legacy was the country of London.

Now we have another whom is going to finish the job, only this time there is no industry left to destroy, so i guess its the NHS, Councils and Schools that will take the brunt when she pulls the pin on the grenade and takes us out.


Thanks for the chuckle.
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
July 11 2016 12:26 GMT
#4112
On July 11 2016 20:36 Topdoller wrote:
And so the circle is complete, i was around when the last female prime minister destroyed the North of England\Scotland\Wales and Ireland. Her legacy was the country of London.

Now we have another whom is going to finish the job, only this time there is no industry left to destroy, so i guess its the NHS, Councils and Schools that will take the brunt when she pulls the pin on the grenade and takes us out.



So you think she will destroy the country just because she is a women?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
July 11 2016 12:44 GMT
#4113
On July 11 2016 21:26 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 20:36 Topdoller wrote:
And so the circle is complete, i was around when the last female prime minister destroyed the North of England\Scotland\Wales and Ireland. Her legacy was the country of London.

Now we have another whom is going to finish the job, only this time there is no industry left to destroy, so i guess its the NHS, Councils and Schools that will take the brunt when she pulls the pin on the grenade and takes us out.



So you think she will destroy the country just because she is a women?

Did Thatcher govern the way she did because she was a woman?
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-11 12:53:03
July 11 2016 12:48 GMT
#4114
On July 11 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 21:26 Reaps wrote:
On July 11 2016 20:36 Topdoller wrote:
And so the circle is complete, i was around when the last female prime minister destroyed the North of England\Scotland\Wales and Ireland. Her legacy was the country of London.

Now we have another whom is going to finish the job, only this time there is no industry left to destroy, so i guess its the NHS, Councils and Schools that will take the brunt when she pulls the pin on the grenade and takes us out.



So you think she will destroy the country just because she is a women?

Did Thatcher govern the way she did because she was a woman?



Me? of course not, i was personally a big fan of Thatcher, she had more balls than any recent male PM.

Topdoller seems to think she did though.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9999 Posts
July 11 2016 16:56 GMT
#4115
If you look at what May has tried, and completely failed, to achieve since being in the Home Office, I assume we're heading for alot of failed legislation aimed at bringing in a police state.
RIP Meatloaf <3
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
July 11 2016 17:08 GMT
#4116
On July 12 2016 01:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
If you look at what May has tried, and completely failed, to achieve since being in the Home Office, I assume we're heading for alot of failed legislation aimed at bringing in a police state.

Better than successful legislation aimed at bringing in a police state to be honest.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9999 Posts
July 11 2016 17:09 GMT
#4117
That's a fair point haha.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-11 18:28:26
July 11 2016 18:24 GMT
#4118
I'm not sure if, as an European national, I should be happy or not that Theresa May is going to be the next PM. It's good there's another woman as a PM, but that's as far as I know.

Edit: It feels kind of undemocratic if Theresa May has no competition because the last one gave up.
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-11 18:59:36
July 11 2016 18:33 GMT
#4119
On July 12 2016 03:24 Shield wrote:
I'm not sure if, as an European national, I should be happy or not that Theresa May is going to be the next PM. It's good there's another woman as a PM, but that's as far as I know.



Watched a interview with her 1-2 weeks ago on TV after the Brexit vote, just found it on Youtube



Talks about EU nationals at around 6:00

Personally i do not think you have anything to worry about. I have friends who are also EU nationals and i told them the same.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6322 Posts
July 11 2016 18:54 GMT
#4120
On July 12 2016 03:24 Shield wrote:
I'm not sure if, as an European national, I should be happy or not that Theresa May is going to be the next PM. It's good there's another woman as a PM, but that's as far as I know.

Edit: It feels kind of undemocratic if Theresa May has no competition because the last one gave up.

She gives up because she thinks she has no chance in the vote. That's not undemocratic, that's realising you've already lost.
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