UK Politics Mega-thread - Page 199

On July 06 2016 19:07 Dan HH wrote:
Poll shows Welsh voters now support EU membership
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2016-07-05/poll-shows-welsh-voters-now-support-eu-membership/

On July 06 2016 17:28 WhiteDog wrote:

Load of uninformed crap. Or maybe you see De Gaulle and Churchill as whiners. They didn't invest their countries in the EU for sovereignty reasons, nothing else.
Also, the inhability to actually change europe is one of the main argument for the brexit in my opinion. People have been saying this fot 30 years.

'France is totally bankrupt': French jobs minister Michel Sapin embarrasses Francois Hollande with shocking statement on state of the country's economy

Unexpected news came during a radio interview yesterday and calls into further question Hollande's controversial 'tax and spend' policies

Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, begins by paying tribute to those killed, and to their relatives. He met some relatives yesterday, he says.

He says the report should not have taken this long.

He says the “overwhelming weight of international legal opinion” says the invasion was illegal.

It had devastating consequences, he says, fuelling terrorism and war across the region.

By any measure the invasion and occupation of Iraq “has been for many a catastrophe”.

He says it has led a break-down in trust in politics.

While the governing class got it wrong, many people got it right. Some 1.5m people marched against the war, he says.

On July 06 2016 20:56 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
A few years back there was a gem from the independent regarding France showing just how "strong" the EU economies are.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-is-totally-bankrupt-french-jobs-minister-michel-sapin-embarrasses-francois-hollande-with-8471077.html


Why be in an economic union with a totally bankrupt nation? Please tell me! Even the ministers admit it!


Also i appreciate Corbyns words regarding the Chilcot enquiry

On July 06 2016 21:55 Tula wrote:
So wild guess which country just tanked the "confidence rating" ?

On July 07 2016 02:24 Shield wrote:
It would have been funny if it wasn't for economical decline...

+ Show Spoiler +

Also, Michael Gove messed up...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/michael-gove-twitter-insults_uk_577b8963e4b073366f0faf62

I can't help but think most of Brexit guys are complete morons who don't care about economy.

On July 07 2016 10:30 bardtown wrote:
To all the bitter europhiles, do please try to understand that we knew the pound would fall and that investment would slow in the short term. A mere three percent of leave voters named the economy as their primary concern as opposed to fifty-three percent for sovereignty. I know it must be tempting for you to blame the British people for this result, but nothing comes from nothing, and, shockingly, that includes mass popular discontent with a political institution. The EU is the primary cause of discontent with the EU. Obviously. They need to take responsibility.

The EU is a plastic construction that holds the institutions of ancient nations and the will of their peoples in contempt. Without very, very substantial scaling back of its ambitions, it has no future. The problem is that it is designed in such a way as to bypass the will of the people, and is populated with second-rate ideologues who put their dream of a united Europe first, every single time. The threat of Brexit was not enough to persuade them to scale back, and neither was research showing that the majority of people in Europe outside of the UK want to stop/reverse integration. So there will be no scaling back, and that leaves disintegration as the only option.

Short term economic instability is the price we have to pay for breaking loose from a broken organisation. That the British people decided to take this risk demonstrates:
a) Severe discontent with the EU and its practices.
b) Self confidence.
c) Principles overriding fear.

During an interview on 8 March, Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said that the EU needed its own military, in order to deal with the Russian threat, as well as to restore the bloc’s standing around the world.

Not everyone agrees. Germany and France support Juncker’s idea, while Poland, Romania, the Czech Republic and Slovakia insist that NATO should remain the guarantor of security on the European continent. The EurActiv network reports.

On July 07 2016 10:30 bardtown wrote:
To all the bitter europhiles, do please try to understand that we knew the pound would fall and that investment would slow in the short term. A mere three percent of leave voters named the economy as their primary concern as opposed to fifty-three percent for sovereignty. I know it must be tempting for you to blame the British people for this result, but nothing comes from nothing, and, shockingly, that includes mass popular discontent with a political institution. The EU is the primary cause of discontent with the EU. Obviously. They need to take responsibility.

The EU is a plastic construction that holds the institutions of ancient nations and the will of their peoples in contempt. Without very, very substantial scaling back of its ambitions, it has no future. The problem is that it is designed in such a way as to bypass the will of the people, and is populated with second-rate ideologues who put their dream of a united Europe first, every single time. The threat of Brexit was not enough to persuade them to scale back, and neither was research showing that the majority of people in Europe outside of the UK [want to stop/reverse integration. So there will be no scaling back, and that leaves disintegration as the only option.

Short term economic instability is the price we have to pay for breaking loose from a broken organisation. That the British people decided to take this risk demonstrates:
a) Severe discontent with the EU and its practices.
b) Self confidence.
c) Principles overriding fear.

the lack of information / simple understading of the EU is also a reason to vote against it.