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Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
June 26 2013 16:59 GMT
#61
On June 27 2013 01:56 Silvanel wrote:
Yeah i am not talking about inheritance, visit rights and such. I dont wish to tottaly reconstruct society. I just would like to tax reduction for couples taken away, make sure children adopted and naturalborn children give exactly same financial benefits (or non at all). Things like that.


Well, I loathe taxes in general so if we're gonna make single people and married people more equal then we should reduce taxes for everyone so that they match the level at which married people are taxed.
#2throwed
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
June 26 2013 17:01 GMT
#62
On June 27 2013 01:56 Silvanel wrote:
Yeah i am not talking about inheritance, visit rights and such. I dont wish to tottaly reconstruct society. I just would like to tax reduction for couples taken away, make sure children adopted and naturalborn children give exactly same financial benefits (or non at all). Things like that.

It's not as simple as that. Getting married is not a guaranteed tax cut.
http://www.urban.org/books/TTP/whittington.cfm
Second section also goes over the origin of these laws.
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CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 17:03:52
June 26 2013 17:03 GMT
#63
Eh who cares. Pretty insignificant achievement in my opinion, especially considering both women's suffrage and black discrimination were not that long ago. Just think about how the US Japanese citizens were treated during WWII. I think these are significant issues. Same sex marriage is more of an issue that gets solved when there's a lack of a bigger cause to fight for.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 17:05:04
June 26 2013 17:03 GMT
#64
On June 27 2013 01:59 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 01:56 Silvanel wrote:
Yeah i am not talking about inheritance, visit rights and such. I dont wish to tottaly reconstruct society. I just would like to tax reduction for couples taken away, make sure children adopted and naturalborn children give exactly same financial benefits (or non at all). Things like that.

The thing is, all of that legal stuff is a benefit to society since its simple, so the state incentivises people to put themselves in that position


Actualy those thing are no longer beneficial to society. Those are remnants of the times when countries wished to have more and more citizens so they can send them to fight wars for them. Those times are gone. World is already overpopulated. We need to stop promoting natural growth of people.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
June 26 2013 17:05 GMT
#65
On June 27 2013 02:03 CecilSunkure wrote:
Eh who cares. Pretty insignificant achievement in my opinion, especially considering both women's suffrage and black discrimination were not that long ago. Just think about how the US Japanese citizens were treated during WWII. I think these are significant issues. Same sex marriage is more of an issue that gets solved when there's a lack of a bigger cause to fight for.


If you don't care, then why did you click on a thread about it and why did you take the time to post? Oh wait, you're just trying to get your post count up.
#2throwed
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
June 26 2013 17:06 GMT
#66
On June 27 2013 02:05 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 02:03 CecilSunkure wrote:
Eh who cares. Pretty insignificant achievement in my opinion, especially considering both women's suffrage and black discrimination were not that long ago. Just think about how the US Japanese citizens were treated during WWII. I think these are significant issues. Same sex marriage is more of an issue that gets solved when there's a lack of a bigger cause to fight for.


If you don't care, then why did you click on a thread about it and why did you take the time to post? Oh wait, you're just trying to get your post count up.

Because my last line is a pretty significant thought, and in my opinion worthy of sharing or discussing.
Elairec
Profile Joined June 2011
United States410 Posts
June 26 2013 17:06 GMT
#67
He has been on TL for some time; I'm quite positive he isn't just adding 1 to his post count. He had an opinion and stated it. Isn't what this is here for?
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2104 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 17:11:56
June 26 2013 17:07 GMT
#68
On June 27 2013 01:55 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 01:53 Blargh wrote:
I don't mind marriages having bonuses, just don't have them religiously associated... Also, not -that- big of a victory considering CA was a rare (or whatever you want to call it) example of "preventing gay marriage". This does not apply to all of the other states who do not have gay marriage at all, right? Anyway, it's nice that the supreme court isn't 100% mongoloids I suppose.


The doma decision is more of a big deal. If you can get to a gay friendly state and get married the you get federal benefits too

Ah, yeah, that is considerably better, haha. Must not have been thinking clearly, I had got DOMA confused with something else. I just woke up ^_~.

I am pretty surprised the supreme court ruled against it at all (though 5-4 is pretty close =/)

@above posts
While gay couples certainly do not make up that large of a % of the population, it is a pretty big deal when you look at EU and other modern countries and see that they all have marriage equivalents already and USA is lagging behind. The reason why there isn't "bigger stuff" is because we're past that stage already. There isn't nearly as much "racism" as there used to be, but obviously it still exists. It's just infinitely harder to fight against than something like gay marriage, where you can easily just allow same-sex couples to marry and everyone is merry.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 26 2013 17:08 GMT
#69
On June 27 2013 02:03 Silvanel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 01:59 packrat386 wrote:
On June 27 2013 01:56 Silvanel wrote:
Yeah i am not talking about inheritance, visit rights and such. I dont wish to tottaly reconstruct society. I just would like to tax reduction for couples taken away, make sure children adopted and naturalborn children give exactly same financial benefits (or non at all). Things like that.

The thing is, all of that legal stuff is a benefit to society since its simple, so the state incentivises people to put themselves in that position


Actualy those thing are no longer beneficial to society. Those are remnants of the times when countries wished to have more and more citizens so they can send them to fight wars for them. Those times are gone. World is already overpopulated. We need to stop promoting natural growth of people.

Sorry i was a bit terse there. I meant that the simplification of things like inheritance and stuff is a benefit to society since otherwise there would be a lot of strain on the courts. Also for things like adoption, a marriage is a sign that the 2 adoptive parents are probably going to be together for a longer time, which helps prevent single parent households.Things like that are why governments promote marriage, not just to promote having a lot of kids. If your argument was true then we wouldn't marriage benefits in places like china that officially want to fight overpopulation.
dreaming of a sunny day
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
June 26 2013 17:08 GMT
#70
On June 27 2013 02:03 CecilSunkure wrote:
Eh who cares.

A lot of people care.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 17:09:31
June 26 2013 17:08 GMT
#71
On June 27 2013 02:03 CecilSunkure wrote:
Eh who cares. Pretty insignificant achievement in my opinion, especially considering both women's suffrage and black discrimination were not that long ago. Just think about how the US Japanese citizens were treated during WWII. I think these are significant issues. Same sex marriage is more of an issue that gets solved when there's a lack of a bigger cause to fight for.

lol wtf?
How is this any different then coming into this thread and saying "why are we worrying about this when there are starving african children"

I love you cecil but I think you are just way off-base here :p

this matters yo, these decisions will have a profound societal impact for many years to come
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Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
June 26 2013 17:09 GMT
#72
On June 27 2013 02:06 CecilSunkure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 02:05 Klondikebar wrote:
On June 27 2013 02:03 CecilSunkure wrote:
Eh who cares. Pretty insignificant achievement in my opinion, especially considering both women's suffrage and black discrimination were not that long ago. Just think about how the US Japanese citizens were treated during WWII. I think these are significant issues. Same sex marriage is more of an issue that gets solved when there's a lack of a bigger cause to fight for.


If you don't care, then why did you click on a thread about it and why did you take the time to post? Oh wait, you're just trying to get your post count up.

Because my last line is a pretty significant thought, and in my opinion worthy of sharing or discussing.


Not really. You posited an opinion which can neither be proven or disproven. There's nothing to discuss. You think what you think and that's all.

And yeah, you opened your post with "Eh, who cares[?]" Implying that not only do you not care but you cannot find people who do. Which is both a dumb question as this thread exists and one that doesn't contribute in any way to the discussion you claim to want to foster.
#2throwed
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 26 2013 17:09 GMT
#73
On June 27 2013 02:08 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 02:03 CecilSunkure wrote:
Eh who cares.

A lot of people care.

I care, and I know a LOT of other people who do.
dreaming of a sunny day
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
June 26 2013 17:11 GMT
#74
On June 27 2013 02:08 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 02:03 CecilSunkure wrote:
Eh who cares. Pretty insignificant achievement in my opinion, especially considering both women's suffrage and black discrimination were not that long ago. Just think about how the US Japanese citizens were treated during WWII. I think these are significant issues. Same sex marriage is more of an issue that gets solved when there's a lack of a bigger cause to fight for.

lol wtf?
How is this any different then coming into this thread and saying "why are we worrying about this when there are starving african children"

I love you cecil but I think you are just way off-base here :p

I just don't feel like this whole thing is much of a victory. It's not surprising that it happened. Prohibition happened at a time of wealth and peace for the US. Well, similar is happening now. There is no World War and no great cause to fight for. Things that feel more petty like legalizing marijuana and marriage rights are what the focus is on. It's just a healthy reflection on the overall outlook of the events. Not everyone needs to be excited about this event to have a valid or thought provoking opinion.
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 17:12:48
June 26 2013 17:12 GMT
#75
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Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
June 26 2013 17:13 GMT
#76
On June 27 2013 02:11 CecilSunkure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 02:08 PassiveAce wrote:
On June 27 2013 02:03 CecilSunkure wrote:
Eh who cares. Pretty insignificant achievement in my opinion, especially considering both women's suffrage and black discrimination were not that long ago. Just think about how the US Japanese citizens were treated during WWII. I think these are significant issues. Same sex marriage is more of an issue that gets solved when there's a lack of a bigger cause to fight for.

lol wtf?
How is this any different then coming into this thread and saying "why are we worrying about this when there are starving african children"

I love you cecil but I think you are just way off-base here :p

I just don't feel like this whole thing is much of a victory. It's not surprising that it happened. Prohibition happened at a time of wealth and peace for the US. Well, similar is happening now. There is no World War and no great cause to fight for. Things that feel more petty like legalizing marijuana and marriage rights are what the focus is on. It's just a healthy reflection on the overall outlook of the events. Not everyone needs to be excited about this event to have a valid or thought provoking opinion.


The only thought your "opinion" provokes is...you're kinda being a dick in this thread.
#2throwed
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 26 2013 17:14 GMT
#77
On June 27 2013 02:11 CecilSunkure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 02:08 PassiveAce wrote:
On June 27 2013 02:03 CecilSunkure wrote:
Eh who cares. Pretty insignificant achievement in my opinion, especially considering both women's suffrage and black discrimination were not that long ago. Just think about how the US Japanese citizens were treated during WWII. I think these are significant issues. Same sex marriage is more of an issue that gets solved when there's a lack of a bigger cause to fight for.

lol wtf?
How is this any different then coming into this thread and saying "why are we worrying about this when there are starving african children"

I love you cecil but I think you are just way off-base here :p

I just don't feel like this whole thing is much of a victory. It's not surprising that it happened. Prohibition happened at a time of wealth and peace for the US. Well, similar is happening now. There is no World War and no great cause to fight for. Things that feel more petty like legalizing marijuana and marriage rights are what the focus is on. It's just a healthy reflection on the overall outlook of the events. Not everyone needs to be excited about this event to have a valid or thought provoking opinion.


How in the hell is equal rights for gay people not a great cause to fight for? Maybe its not the holocaust, but the persecution of gays in modern society is a serious harm that ought to be stopped. Also this is like the number one wrong thread in which to argue that gay marriage isn't a big deal.
dreaming of a sunny day
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2013 17:15 GMT
#78
On June 27 2013 02:11 CecilSunkure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 02:08 PassiveAce wrote:
On June 27 2013 02:03 CecilSunkure wrote:
Eh who cares. Pretty insignificant achievement in my opinion, especially considering both women's suffrage and black discrimination were not that long ago. Just think about how the US Japanese citizens were treated during WWII. I think these are significant issues. Same sex marriage is more of an issue that gets solved when there's a lack of a bigger cause to fight for.

lol wtf?
How is this any different then coming into this thread and saying "why are we worrying about this when there are starving african children"

I love you cecil but I think you are just way off-base here :p

I just don't feel like this whole thing is much of a victory. It's not surprising that it happened. Prohibition happened at a time of wealth and peace for the US. Well, similar is happening now. There is no World War and no great cause to fight for. Things that feel more petty like legalizing marijuana and marriage rights are what the focus is on. It's just a healthy reflection on the overall outlook of the events. Not everyone needs to be excited about this event to have a valid or thought provoking opinion.

Ok, so you going full politic hipster on this one. We get that you were excited by equal rights a long time ago and now your over it. You are now pumped around rights that we haven't heard about yet, because we follow mainstream rights.
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CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 17:18:35
June 26 2013 17:15 GMT
#79
On June 27 2013 02:13 Klondikebar wrote:
The only thought your "opinion" provokes is...you're kinda being a dick in this thread.

Sorry if it came off that way, I have a habit of doing that [offending people on accident]. It wasn't my intention to imply nobody cares. I used "Eh who cares" as an expression to try to contrast the reaction I see in other people in order to set up an alternative opinion. But yeah it didn't come off that way.

Edit: And no it isn't about what's mainstream or not. I just thought it was an interesting way to think about it. Sort of like pointing out a deeper issue or hidden meaning behind current events. Just reflecting on why things have happened.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
June 26 2013 17:16 GMT
#80
On June 27 2013 02:11 CecilSunkure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 02:08 PassiveAce wrote:
On June 27 2013 02:03 CecilSunkure wrote:
Eh who cares. Pretty insignificant achievement in my opinion, especially considering both women's suffrage and black discrimination were not that long ago. Just think about how the US Japanese citizens were treated during WWII. I think these are significant issues. Same sex marriage is more of an issue that gets solved when there's a lack of a bigger cause to fight for.

lol wtf?
How is this any different then coming into this thread and saying "why are we worrying about this when there are starving african children"

I love you cecil but I think you are just way off-base here :p

I just don't feel like this whole thing is much of a victory. It's not surprising that it happened. Prohibition happened at a time of wealth and peace for the US. Well, similar is happening now. There is no World War and no great cause to fight for. Things that feel more petty like legalizing marijuana and marriage rights are what the focus is on. It's just a healthy reflection on the overall outlook of the events. Not everyone needs to be excited about this event to have a valid or thought provoking opinion.

There are many people who consider equality in marriage rights a great cause.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
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