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Gunther
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany139 Posts
June 26 2013 16:18 GMT
#41
I'm always glad to see federal authority undermined.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2013 16:19 GMT
#42
On June 27 2013 01:17 Bigtony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 01:15 Klondikebar wrote:
On June 27 2013 01:12 Bigtony wrote:
Framing the debate in terms of 'equality' and:

"This is a basic human right and anyone who disagrees is a monster."

is dishonest and disgusting.


How else should it be framed? "equality" vs "bigots want to impose their beliefs on other people despite the activities of said people not affecting them in any way but it's cool cause we don't want to hurt their feelings despite their systematic oppression and abuse of minority groups. After all, it's really THEIR feelings that are important here."

Does that framing sound more honest to you?



Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 01:16 Jormundr wrote:
On June 27 2013 01:12 Bigtony wrote:
Framing the debate in terms of 'equality' and:

"This is a basic human right and anyone who disagrees is a monster."

is dishonest and disgusting.

Not really. When there's no valid argument against it, and disagreement amounts to "I don't like it", the fact that you call this a debate is offensive.


Sounds like an A+ example of what I just described.

Bring us your valid, well thought out argument? How does gay marriage negatively affect you or your relationship?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 26 2013 16:20 GMT
#43
On June 27 2013 01:17 Bigtony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 01:15 Klondikebar wrote:
On June 27 2013 01:12 Bigtony wrote:
Framing the debate in terms of 'equality' and:

"This is a basic human right and anyone who disagrees is a monster."

is dishonest and disgusting.


How else should it be framed? "equality" vs "bigots want to impose their beliefs on other people despite the activities of said people not affecting them in any way but it's cool cause we don't want to hurt their feelings despite their systematic oppression and abuse of minority groups. After all, it's really THEIR feelings that are important here."

Does that framing sound more honest to you?



Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 01:16 Jormundr wrote:
On June 27 2013 01:12 Bigtony wrote:
Framing the debate in terms of 'equality' and:

"This is a basic human right and anyone who disagrees is a monster."

is dishonest and disgusting.

Not really. When there's no valid argument against it, and disagreement amounts to "I don't like it", the fact that you call this a debate is offensive.


Sounds like an A+ example of what I just described.


Clearly you'r unhappy with the discussion, so lets hear from you. I honestly want to know what your alternative framing of the debate is.
dreaming of a sunny day
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 16:22:47
June 26 2013 16:20 GMT
#44
On June 27 2013 01:17 Bigtony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 01:15 Klondikebar wrote:
On June 27 2013 01:12 Bigtony wrote:
Framing the debate in terms of 'equality' and:

"This is a basic human right and anyone who disagrees is a monster."

is dishonest and disgusting.


How else should it be framed? "equality" vs "bigots want to impose their beliefs on other people despite the activities of said people not affecting them in any way but it's cool cause we don't want to hurt their feelings despite their systematic oppression and abuse of minority groups. After all, it's really THEIR feelings that are important here."

Does that framing sound more honest to you?



Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 01:16 Jormundr wrote:
On June 27 2013 01:12 Bigtony wrote:
Framing the debate in terms of 'equality' and:

"This is a basic human right and anyone who disagrees is a monster."

is dishonest and disgusting.

Not really. When there's no valid argument against it, and disagreement amounts to "I don't like it", the fact that you call this a debate is offensive.


Sounds like an A+ example of what I just described.


I like how you're just crying about being insulted but you haven't actually offered any "valid points" that apparently exist on the other side. And that's why we don't take you seriously babycakes.


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packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 26 2013 16:21 GMT
#45
On June 27 2013 01:18 Gunther wrote:
I'm always glad to see federal authority undermined.

This doesn't really undermine federal authority in any way. It wasn't a matter of the states placing a check on the federal government, but instead the fgov putting a check on itself through the 14th amendment.
dreaming of a sunny day
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
June 26 2013 16:21 GMT
#46
So happy and proud to be a Californian. The rest of the states will join, in time. Just like with interracial marriage, desegregation, etc., etc., -- dragging their feet and whining to the end. But you can't stop progress.

Love is love. Good day today. <3
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 26 2013 16:23 GMT
#47
On June 27 2013 01:18 Gunther wrote:
I'm always glad to see federal authority undermined.

but the federal authority is being undermined by another federal authority!!!
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Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
June 26 2013 16:23 GMT
#48
Well done new TL logo
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Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
June 26 2013 16:23 GMT
#49
On June 27 2013 01:17 Bigtony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 01:15 Klondikebar wrote:
On June 27 2013 01:12 Bigtony wrote:
Framing the debate in terms of 'equality' and:

"This is a basic human right and anyone who disagrees is a monster."

is dishonest and disgusting.


How else should it be framed? "equality" vs "bigots want to impose their beliefs on other people despite the activities of said people not affecting them in any way but it's cool cause we don't want to hurt their feelings despite their systematic oppression and abuse of minority groups. After all, it's really THEIR feelings that are important here."

Does that framing sound more honest to you?



Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 01:16 Jormundr wrote:
On June 27 2013 01:12 Bigtony wrote:
Framing the debate in terms of 'equality' and:

"This is a basic human right and anyone who disagrees is a monster."

is dishonest and disgusting.

Not really. When there's no valid argument against it, and disagreement amounts to "I don't like it", the fact that you call this a debate is offensive.


Sounds like an A+ example of what I just described.

Does the law help people? Yes.
Does the law hurt people? No.
Will the law be difficult to implement? No.
Will the law be costly? No.
Will people be offended? Yes.
Is it the role of government to make sure people don't get offended? No.

Pretty simple.
Unless there's a secret Bohemian Nightclub where the gays are planning their next strike... and scarlett has already alluded to this:
On June 26 2013 23:48 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Oh no ~_~ He found us out ! The rest of you are just forgetting to extrapolate

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Zer atai
Profile Joined September 2011
United States691 Posts
June 26 2013 16:28 GMT
#50
Congratulations California. Congratulations married homosexual couples. Congratulations SCOTUS.
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packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 26 2013 16:36 GMT
#51
On June 27 2013 01:23 Broodwurst wrote:
Well done new TL logo

WE DID IT GUYS!
dreaming of a sunny day
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
June 26 2013 16:42 GMT
#52
I am all for equal treatment but i would actually love not to give LGBT couples same privilages as for hetersoexual couples but to take those privilages away from heterosexuals. Most of bonuses and privilages given to couples are rooted in nationalistic ideologies of XIX century. We are wiser than that.

I am talking about things like tax reductions for married people and such, You have those in US?
Pathetic Greta hater.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2013 16:45 GMT
#53
On June 27 2013 01:42 Silvanel wrote:
I am all for equal treatment but i would actually love not to give LGBT couples same privilages as for hetersoexual couples but to take those privilages away from heterosexuals. Most of bonuses and privilages given to couples are rooted in nationalistic ideologies of XIX century. We are wiser than that.

I am talking about things like tax reductions for married people and such, You have those in US?

Yes and we still have deductions for children as well. We have a shit ton of laws based on marriage, which is basically a highly specialized contract and has special legal protections associated with it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 26 2013 16:46 GMT
#54
On June 27 2013 01:42 Silvanel wrote:
I am all for equal treatment but i would actually love not to give LGBT couples same privilages as for hetersoexual couples but to take those privilages away from heterosexuals. Most of bonuses and privilages given to couples are rooted in nationalistic ideologies of XIX century. We are wiser than that.

I am talking about things like tax reductions for married people and such, You have those in US?

Yep. I think there would be a lot of backlash for trying to remove those things though. Married couples are a pretty stable unit in society and their existence is useful for a lot of reasons that the government would want to keep around. To name just a couple:

- The idea of a cohesive family makes inheritance much easier
- Knowing that there is some stability to whether or not incomes are combined max it easier to asses things like whether or not a couple ought to get a mortgage

I don't think the idea of government sanctioned and encoraged marriages is going anywhere anytime soon.
dreaming of a sunny day
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
June 26 2013 16:47 GMT
#55
On June 27 2013 01:42 Silvanel wrote:
I am all for equal treatment but i would actually love not to give LGBT couples same privilages as for hetersoexual couples but to take those privilages away from heterosexuals. Most of bonuses and privilages given to couples are rooted in nationalistic ideologies of XIX century. We are wiser than that.

I am talking about things like tax reductions for married people and such, You have those in US?

Joint filing can be a mixed bag. Even if that is taken out, marriage still gives important legal powers for the will, visitation rights, inheritance tax and whatnot.
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2104 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 16:54:10
June 26 2013 16:53 GMT
#56
I don't mind marriages having bonuses, just don't have them religiously associated... Also, not -that- big of a victory considering CA was a rare (or whatever you want to call it) example of "preventing gay marriage". This does not apply to all of the other states who do not have gay marriage at all, right? Anyway, it's nice that the supreme court isn't 100% mongoloids I suppose.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 26 2013 16:55 GMT
#57
On June 27 2013 01:53 Blargh wrote:
I don't mind marriages having bonuses, just don't have them religiously associated... Also, not -that- big of a victory considering CA was a rare (or whatever you want to call it) example of "preventing gay marriage". This does not apply to all of the other states who do not have gay marriage at all, right? Anyway, it's nice that the supreme court isn't 100% mongoloids I suppose.


The doma decision is more of a big deal. If you can get to a gay friendly state and get married the you get federal benefits too
dreaming of a sunny day
Br0kensword
Profile Joined September 2012
United States35 Posts
June 26 2013 16:56 GMT
#58
Love loves to love love, really happy for quite a few of my friends who can now have their marriages legally recognized now that prop 8 has been kicked back into the gutter where it belongs.
Merp..
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 16:57:57
June 26 2013 16:56 GMT
#59
Yeah i am not talking about inheritance, visit rights and such. I dont wish to tottaly reconstruct society. I just would like to tax reduction for couples taken away, make sure children adopted and naturalborn children give exactly same financial benefits (or non at all). Things like that.
Pathetic Greta hater.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 26 2013 16:59 GMT
#60
On June 27 2013 01:56 Silvanel wrote:
Yeah i am not talking about inheritance, visit rights and such. I dont wish to tottaly reconstruct society. I just would like to tax reduction for couples taken away, make sure children adopted and naturalborn children give exactly same financial benefits (or non at all). Things like that.

The thing is, all of that legal stuff is a benefit to society since its simple, so the state incentivises people to put themselves in that position
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