I was mindlessly reading my twitter feed and noticed @PopSci posted this video about a product called "NeverWet". I am majoring in Chemical Engineering, so i found this shit to be fucking cool:
It's a two-coat spray being manufactured by Rustoleum that is "Super Hydrophobic". The video shows some examples including pouring mustard and chocolate syrup onto white shoes/clothing, making a cooler out of a cardboard beer box, and how to WATERPROOF YOUR I-PHONE.
I think it comes out this week at home depot. First things I am going to treat will be my bike seat and handlebars, ski bindings, watch, ties, and my phone. I'm hesitant about clothing, as I'm not sure how it would affect the texture, and might be really annoying to wear.
What are some things you guys would waterproof? It looks to be applicable to a wide range of materials based on the video. I really don't know much about it besides what's in this video.
* Disclaimer - I am not trying to advertise the product. I hope they do well because it's fucking cool, but I'm just excited and curious about what one could do with this stuff.
TLDR: What are some things you would waterproof that wouldn't normally be considered "waterproofable"?
On June 20 2013 14:46 Ghin wrote: What would happen if you put that on your car's windshield? Would you even have to use windshield wipers?
THATS WHAT IM FUCKIN TALKIN ABOUT!
But yeah... they have an example with a small glass pane in the vid. I wonder how long a coat would last? I wish there was more information about it available. I would imagine it would last as long as the base coat stays bound to the surface.
On June 20 2013 14:49 FinestHour wrote: well, ill wait and see what kind of chemicals the spray is actually composed of as well as how its made
I'm guessing it is some sort of adhesive base, covered with a carbon based material... maybe some sort of lipid. There would definitely be some environmental impacts from the adhesive part if it comes off too easily, but the top layer should be pretty friendly.
Old invention, I bought a 4L can/bottle of a different very similar product for industrial use.
I'm not exactly sure how similar this is, but the one I used required two coats of different product to active, and it's toxic, so its not good for everyday use, plus it wears off very quickly, even minimal friction will remove it. Something like shoes are not feasible even if you tried, because you'd be spraying them everyday.
This isn't going to get anywhere, hydrophobic spray would have made further advances if it was more feasible.
On June 20 2013 14:46 Ghin wrote: What would happen if you put that on your car's windshield? Would you even have to use windshield wipers?
THATS WHAT IM FUCKIN TALKIN ABOUT!
But yeah... they have an example with a small glass pane in the vid. I wonder how long a coat would last? I wish there was more information about it available. I would imagine it would last as long as the base coat stays bound to the surface.
I've used some on my wipers before but it doesn't last too long. After 1 rainy day it stops working as well but still usable. Effects start to diminish after a week or so.
On June 20 2013 14:59 FiWiFaKi wrote: Old invention, I bought a 4L can/bottle of a different very similar product for industrial use.
I'm not exactly sure how similar this is, but the one I used required two coats of different product to active, and it's toxic, so its not good for everyday use, plus it wears off very quickly, even minimal friction will remove it. Something like shoes are not feasible even if you tried, because you'd be spraying them everyday.
This isn't going to get anywhere, hydrophobic spray would have made further advances if it was more feasible.
Edit: Ultra-ever dry is the product we used.
Friction doesn't seem to be a problem as one of the demonstrations they wiped the phone with a paper towel before dunking it.
On June 20 2013 14:59 FiWiFaKi wrote: Old invention, I bought a 4L can/bottle of a different very similar product for industrial use.
I'm not exactly sure how similar this is, but the one I used required two coats of different product to active, and it's toxic, so its not good for everyday use, plus it wears off very quickly, even minimal friction will remove it. Something like shoes are not feasible even if you tried, because you'd be spraying them everyday.
This isn't going to get anywhere, hydrophobic spray would have made further advances if it was more feasible.
Edit: Ultra-ever dry is the product we used.
Friction doesn't seem to be a problem as one of the demonstrations they wiped the phone with a paper towel before dunking it.
Did you see how lightly they did that? What I'm saying is if you wanted to use this on your wind-shield, gloves, pipes, etc, it'll wear out super quickly. I'm talking first hand experience, and really think about it...
Similar products existed, and none of them took off, why? Exactly. Also, there's a TED talk about this, as someone is trying to promote this, and it talks about its limited uses. This spray will not waterproof your iPhone. It may work for the first couple hours you apply it, max. As soon as you put it in your pocket, where the coating can be worn out easy, you wont risk putting it in water.
All in all, it looks a lot better in the commercials, that what it really does. Looks cool, but it's not effective. Do research before you praise this product is all I'm asking.
You have first hand experience with a similar product which may or may not use the same technology to achieve the same goal. I'm sure there is a reason why NeverWet got the rustoleum contract over UltraTech's Ever Dry. All i'm asking is that it should be given a fair shot before you discredit it based on another company's product.
Well i am thinking may be it might be usable for the toilet, instead of the toilet brush (which obviously makes much more sense then the otherway around...)?
On June 20 2013 15:29 J.E.G. wrote: You have first hand experience with a similar product which may or may not use the same technology to achieve the same goal. I'm sure there is a reason why NeverWet got the rustoleum contract over UltraTech's Ever Dry. All i'm asking is that it should be given a fair shot before you discredit it based on another company's product.
The documentation of this product on the internet is pretty poor, I cannot find too much information, but I do recommend you do some reading on similar substances, and the fact it's been available since 2011, but only for industrial use and not customer.
For example Ever Dry, contained 6% Hexane, and 5% Toluene(http://www.ultraeverdrystore.com/how-to-use/base-coat-safety.pdf), that is simply AWFUL for the body. I expect similarities in the two products, as the advertising they are doing is practically identical to its preceders with the exception of waterproofing your iPhone (which PS can already be done via other methods).
On June 20 2013 14:59 FiWiFaKi wrote: Old invention, I bought a 4L can/bottle of a different very similar product for industrial use.
I'm not exactly sure how similar this is, but the one I used required two coats of different product to active, and it's toxic, so its not good for everyday use, plus it wears off very quickly, even minimal friction will remove it. Something like shoes are not feasible even if you tried, because you'd be spraying them everyday.
This isn't going to get anywhere, hydrophobic spray would have made further advances if it was more feasible.
Edit: Ultra-ever dry is the product we used.
Friction doesn't seem to be a problem as one of the demonstrations they wiped the phone with a paper towel before dunking it.
Did you see how lightly they did that? What I'm saying is if you wanted to use this on your wind-shield, gloves, pipes, etc, it'll wear out super quickly. I'm talking first hand experience, and really think about it...
Similar products existed, and none of them took off, why? Exactly. Also, there's a TED talk about this, as someone is trying to promote this, and it talks about its limited uses. This spray will not waterproof your iPhone. It may work for the first couple hours you apply it, max. As soon as you put it in your pocket, where the coating can be worn out easy, you wont risk putting it in water.
All in all, it looks a lot better in the commercials, that what it really does. Looks cool, but it's not effective. Do research before you praise this product is all I'm asking.
Exactly this. Think about physics guys. This is a gel, it cant have good ahdesion to everything. It will stick better to some surfaces, and worse to some other. But its very hard to achieve something thats hydrophobic and and well sticking (high adhesion) at the same time (and transparent). I wont say its impossible, but i highly daubt YOu can achieve it with simple gel.
If You really need something like that You need some industrial coating (not some 5$ gel). Like CVD deposited polymers (parylene for example- US navy use it to protect their electronic from salt water). Its super thin, transparent, hydrophobic and serves as electric insulator.
On June 20 2013 15:20 polgas wrote: Very interesting. Might be dangerous though if you accidentally spray someone. What will happen if your eyes get sprayed? Might have to rub it off.
yea, you're right. only substances that are safe to put in your eyes should be in aerosol cans.
On June 20 2013 16:03 Severedevil wrote: Spray it on cereal so the milk doesn't get in.
That actually should be the focus of these researches. I will elect anyone to president of the world-land, as long as he can provide me with non-soaked Frosties.
On June 20 2013 14:59 FiWiFaKi wrote: Old invention, I bought a 4L can/bottle of a different very similar product for industrial use.
I'm not exactly sure how similar this is, but the one I used required two coats of different product to active, and it's toxic, so its not good for everyday use, plus it wears off very quickly, even minimal friction will remove it. Something like shoes are not feasible even if you tried, because you'd be spraying them everyday.
This isn't going to get anywhere, hydrophobic spray would have made further advances if it was more feasible.
Edit: Ultra-ever dry is the product we used.
Friction doesn't seem to be a problem as one of the demonstrations they wiped the phone with a paper towel before dunking it.
Did you see how lightly they did that? What I'm saying is if you wanted to use this on your wind-shield, gloves, pipes, etc, it'll wear out super quickly. I'm talking first hand experience, and really think about it...
Similar products existed, and none of them took off, why? Exactly. Also, there's a TED talk about this, as someone is trying to promote this, and it talks about its limited uses. This spray will not waterproof your iPhone. It may work for the first couple hours you apply it, max. As soon as you put it in your pocket, where the coating can be worn out easy, you wont risk putting it in water.
All in all, it looks a lot better in the commercials, that what it really does. Looks cool, but it's not effective. Do research before you praise this product is all I'm asking.
Exactly this. Think about physics guys. This is a gel, it cant have good ahdesion to everything. It will stick better to some surfaces, and worse to some other. But its very hard to achieve something thats hydrophobic and and well sticking (high adhesion) at the same time (and transparent). I wont say its impossible, but i highly daubt YOu can achieve it with simple gel.
If You really need something like that You need some industrial coating (not some 5$ gel). Like CVD deposited polymers (parylene for example- US navy use it to protect their electronic from salt water). Its super thin, transparent, hydrophobic and serves as electric insulator.
It's a two layer system involving a polymer and a fluorinated (fluorine is extremely electronegative, as is water) silicon dioxide. The hydrophobic coat only has to stick to one material, which is the base layer. The effectiveness of the entire system would be based on how well the polymer base layer bonds to surfaces, and how well the fluorinated silicon dioxide bonds to the base layer. This is only how Ultra-Ever Dry works though. I have no idea what NeverWet uses, but I would imagine it uses something besides silicon, since it is transparent.
On June 20 2013 15:42 Angry_Fetus wrote: Ars Technica did a piece on Ultra Ever Dry (which looks identical to this stuff, at least in practice): Click
Its practical uses are fairly limited.
He strongly states that the shortcomings of his tests were likely due to his application method. NeverWet comes in two easy to use aerosol cans and is transparent, as seen in the video.
On June 20 2013 15:29 J.E.G. wrote: You have first hand experience with a similar product which may or may not use the same technology to achieve the same goal. I'm sure there is a reason why NeverWet got the rustoleum contract over UltraTech's Ever Dry. All i'm asking is that it should be given a fair shot before you discredit it based on another company's product.
The documentation of this product on the internet is pretty poor, I cannot find too much information, but I do recommend you do some reading on similar substances, and the fact it's been available since 2011, but only for industrial use and not customer.
For example Ever Dry, contained 6% Hexane, and 5% Toluene(http://www.ultraeverdrystore.com/how-to-use/base-coat-safety.pdf), that is simply AWFUL for the body. I expect similarities in the two products, as the advertising they are doing is practically identical to its preceders with the exception of waterproofing your iPhone (which PS can already be done via other methods).
lol 6% Hexane and 5% Toluene? That is some really toxic stuff there. The example with spraying a pan for food...yeah that's a really bad idea.
Okay quick Google says that Neverwet is a silicone-based spray.
I work with both silicone oil and spray on a somewhat regular basis (and yes there is a difference):
Silicone spray with petroleum distillates - there's a bunch of shit you need to be mindful of: -Highly flammable -Skin/eye irritant and gets absorbed into the skin -Tough as BALLS to get off of objects you don't want it on -Can and will permanently damage plastic -Not remotely permanent if the object is being rubbed/touched
I'd hope that this product being advertised is NOT like a traditional silicone spray in formulation given the advertising because good god I will be sad
Now if it's more like a silicone oil you still have these problems: -Tough as BALLS to get it completely off of objects you don't want it on -Not remotely permanent if the object is being rubbed/touched
Spray it on a painted car, and then decide you want the car painted? Good job! You made the painter's job either 20x harder or impossible (depending on the perfectionist tendencies of the painter) and he will fucking hate you and your car Spray it on a delicate, especially finished/painted, object and want it removed because it feels terrible to handle/is greasy/etc? Have fun! The best removal methods might fuck the object up too because the removal chemicals are fucking harsh and even so you might have silicone oil leeching into the material anyway
There's the chance that this product is something totally different and avoids these problems but I would bet that this is just marketing going overboard on a slightly-improved product, if that.
On June 20 2013 15:20 J.E.G. wrote: They only sprayed the guts though, which wouldn't get any friction as long as the phone is intact.
If you dunk a phone and it lives, that implies that the electrical ports are also coated. So if you ever want to recharge said phone, you're likely going to need to remove the coating every time you plug it in.
About coating your windshield with this, that kind of product already exists. I've been using it for a few years, and you pretty much never have to use your windshield wipers.
I want to know more about this product. If it's toxic, using it on a frying pan is not a good idea lol.
On June 20 2013 15:20 J.E.G. wrote: They only sprayed the guts though, which wouldn't get any friction as long as the phone is intact.
If you dunk a phone and it lives, that implies that the electrical ports are also coated. So if you ever want to recharge said phone, you're likely going to need to remove the coating every time you plug it in.
Yeah, they use a cue tip to coat the speakers, charging port, and headphone jack. If this stuff is that susceptible to friction, charging it or using the headphones would obviously make it much less water proof.
It would be interesting to see how long an iphone would last underwater without coating the ports, but still coating the inside. Normally, it lasts about 30 seconds before dying, without any treatment.
The self-cleaning property of superhydrophobic micro-nanostructured surfaces was reported in 1977, and perfluoroalkyl and perfluoropolyether superhydrophobic materials were developed in 1986 for handling chemical and biological fluids. Other biotechnical applications have emerged since the 1990s.
The self-cleaning property of superhydrophobic micro-nanostructured surfaces was reported in 1977, and perfluoroalkyl and perfluoropolyether superhydrophobic materials were developed in 1986 for handling chemical and biological fluids. Other biotechnical applications have emerged since the 1990s.
Not only that, but I am certain I have seen this exact same ad that OP linked years ago. I highly doubt this is as easy to use permanently as the video seems to imply.
* Disclaimer - I am not trying to advertise the product. I hope they do well because it's fucking cool, but I'm just excited and curious about what one could do with this stuff.
I dunno but to me it looks like you are clearly advertising this product. Not much information in the vid, like if its dangerous if you would eat it and the long term effects it has on the products you spray it on and how long it will last .Also doubt this is something new and revolutionary, water repellent materials have been there for ages.
Question to OP Does op personally know anny of the "inventors" or producers of this product or did he randomly stumble on this product by browsing YT vids.
On June 20 2013 14:48 Chairman Ray wrote: Would that stuff be safe for consumption? I wonder how it behaves in the human digestive system. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you always consuming your cleaning products?
No but kids for example are known to sometimes chew or lick their clothes and other items, so the question is kinda relevant.
Annywho: I would waterproof all my electronic devices (if it has no side effects of course) Would be handy when sailing or diving.
On June 20 2013 14:46 Ghin wrote: What would happen if you put that on your car's windshield? Would you even have to use windshield wipers?
Im assuming it doesnt work that way : the spray prevents water from going through the layer you create, however water can still rest on it. While in small quantities it disappears rather quickly, during heavy rains there might just be so much water it doesnt disappear fast enough. I guess this will have to be tested to be sure.
Seems cool, but I think ill read up on it abit more first. Hate to be the party pooper here, but you know there are a lot of products out there that arent as great as they make themselves out to be.
EDIT : nvm, watched the video. Yeah, this is pretty cool. hurray science!
What if I spray it all over my body and jump into a pool, will the water go out of the way? Or would I just be Jesus and walk on water. (O shit I just solved it!)
On June 20 2013 19:02 Tiwo wrote: What if I spray it all over my body and jump into a pool, will the water go out of the way? Or would I just be Jesus and walk on water. (O shit I just solved it!)
It's still the same I guess, it's not like water levitates on your skin, it's just that when you come out of the pool you're not wet, because water molecules don't "stick" to your skin anymore. Although it's probably not good to put that shit on your skin anyway :D
For those wondering, the water molecules are still making contact with the surface, it's just that they don't stay on it. Essentially the opposite of a sponge.
Edit: Better analogy: think of oil in water, that's exactly like that. Oil molecules are hydrophobic, as are the molecules in the NeverWet coating thing. Oil particles can still go through water though, but they don't merge with it.
On June 20 2013 19:58 Madars wrote: I am wondering what happens when you spray it on your skin or in your eyes, you wouldn't be able to rinse/wash it off with water?
If FiWiFaKi is right and this contains Hexane/Toluene, spraying it on your skin/eyes etc. will likely result in a delicious case of cancer later in life.
A few years ago there was a product called Nanocover that had properties like this, unfurtunately it was based on Fluor nanoparticles that were kind of unhealthy as well. These super hydrophobic spray products are yet to impress me or convince me that they're as brilliant as they say.
Question to OP Does op personally know anny of the "inventors" or producers of this product or did he randomly stumble on this product by browsing YT vids.
The same kinda post (about NeverWet) has been on Reddit for a few days.
Coat paint tray, when done panting pour left over back into paint can.. Never have to clean a paint tray again fucking awesome if it works! Which if it works with mustard and shit I can't see why it wouldn't work with paint?
On June 21 2013 00:24 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Coat paint tray, when done panting pour left over back into paint can.. Never have to clean a paint tray again fucking awesome if it works! Which if it works with mustard and shit I can't see why it wouldn't work with paint?
If the stuff rubbed off on to your roller/wall, it wouldn't be much fun though :D
On June 21 2013 03:03 Cyro wrote: What happens if you cover yourself with it and jump into a pool of water?
The water swallows you hole and judges you for the fatal sin of using black magic science to thwart its wattery ways. Seriously though I'd guess you'd only get wet where you didn't spray or whatever absorbed it, maybe hair would absorb it idk.
theres a similar product out already for windshields. not sure if its the exact same technology, but for at least windshields it works exactly as this product would bullsone "rain ok"
Oh my god, this stuff is amazing! It's like, straight out of a science fiction movie!
What would I waterproof? Ummm, EVERYTHING!! My phone, my flashlight, my computer, my external hard-drive, my digital camera, my camcorder, my mouse, my clothes... [long list of all my possessions ommitted].
On June 20 2013 14:59 FiWiFaKi wrote: Old invention, I bought a 4L can/bottle of a different very similar product for industrial use.
I'm not exactly sure how similar this is, but the one I used required two coats of different product to active, and it's toxic, so its not good for everyday use, plus it wears off very quickly, even minimal friction will remove it. Something like shoes are not feasible even if you tried, because you'd be spraying them everyday.
This isn't going to get anywhere, hydrophobic spray would have made further advances if it was more feasible.
Edit: Ultra-ever dry is the product we used.
Yeah, I'm curious about how quickly it wears off. I'm skeptical about how well the coating will stay adhered to my phone while I'm out and about and it's being jostled about in my pocket, possibly with other objects rubbing up against it. I'll probably test it with a phone-sized block, and then carry the block around in my pocket for a couple days before I trust it to keep my expensive Android dry.
Also, it says in the video that it will only protect your phone down to a depth of 6 inches, so that ruins any plans I had to browse teamliquid.net from the bottom of the swimming pool :/
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