EPTNeverWet - Water Proof Everything - Page 2
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polgas
Canada1752 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On June 20 2013 15:14 sluggaslamoo wrote: Friction doesn't seem to be a problem as one of the demonstrations they wiped the phone with a paper towel before dunking it. Did you see how lightly they did that? What I'm saying is if you wanted to use this on your wind-shield, gloves, pipes, etc, it'll wear out super quickly. I'm talking first hand experience, and really think about it... Similar products existed, and none of them took off, why? Exactly. Also, there's a TED talk about this, as someone is trying to promote this, and it talks about its limited uses. This spray will not waterproof your iPhone. It may work for the first couple hours you apply it, max. As soon as you put it in your pocket, where the coating can be worn out easy, you wont risk putting it in water. All in all, it looks a lot better in the commercials, that what it really does. Looks cool, but it's not effective. Do research before you praise this product is all I'm asking. | ||
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J.E.G.
United States389 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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Proof.
535 Posts
This looks so cool although I wonder how long the coating lasts. Or how safe it is. | ||
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freetgy
1720 Posts
Does water remove its effect? | ||
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TerranosaurusWrecks
Canada187 Posts
Either way someone should try it and come back to this thread with some details. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On June 20 2013 15:29 J.E.G. wrote: You have first hand experience with a similar product which may or may not use the same technology to achieve the same goal. I'm sure there is a reason why NeverWet got the rustoleum contract over UltraTech's Ever Dry. All i'm asking is that it should be given a fair shot before you discredit it based on another company's product. The documentation of this product on the internet is pretty poor, I cannot find too much information, but I do recommend you do some reading on similar substances, and the fact it's been available since 2011, but only for industrial use and not customer. For example Ever Dry, contained 6% Hexane, and 5% Toluene(http://www.ultraeverdrystore.com/how-to-use/base-coat-safety.pdf), that is simply AWFUL for the body. I expect similarities in the two products, as the advertising they are doing is practically identical to its preceders with the exception of waterproofing your iPhone (which PS can already be done via other methods). | ||
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Angry_Fetus
Canada444 Posts
Its practical uses are fairly limited. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4726 Posts
On June 20 2013 15:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: Did you see how lightly they did that? What I'm saying is if you wanted to use this on your wind-shield, gloves, pipes, etc, it'll wear out super quickly. I'm talking first hand experience, and really think about it... Similar products existed, and none of them took off, why? Exactly. Also, there's a TED talk about this, as someone is trying to promote this, and it talks about its limited uses. This spray will not waterproof your iPhone. It may work for the first couple hours you apply it, max. As soon as you put it in your pocket, where the coating can be worn out easy, you wont risk putting it in water. All in all, it looks a lot better in the commercials, that what it really does. Looks cool, but it's not effective. Do research before you praise this product is all I'm asking. Exactly this. Think about physics guys. This is a gel, it cant have good ahdesion to everything. It will stick better to some surfaces, and worse to some other. But its very hard to achieve something thats hydrophobic and and well sticking (high adhesion) at the same time (and transparent). I wont say its impossible, but i highly daubt YOu can achieve it with simple gel. If You really need something like that You need some industrial coating (not some 5$ gel). Like CVD deposited polymers (parylene for example- US navy use it to protect their electronic from salt water). Its super thin, transparent, hydrophobic and serves as electric insulator. | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On June 20 2013 15:20 polgas wrote: Very interesting. Might be dangerous though if you accidentally spray someone. What will happen if your eyes get sprayed? Might have to rub it off. yea, you're right. only substances that are safe to put in your eyes should be in aerosol cans. | ||
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Nacl(Draq)
United States302 Posts
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
On June 20 2013 16:03 Severedevil wrote: Spray it on cereal so the milk doesn't get in. I wonder what happens to the cereal in your stomach after that ! | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On June 20 2013 16:03 Severedevil wrote: Spray it on cereal so the milk doesn't get in. That actually should be the focus of these researches. I will elect anyone to president of the world-land, as long as he can provide me with non-soaked Frosties. | ||
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J.E.G.
United States389 Posts
On June 20 2013 15:48 Silvanel wrote: Exactly this. Think about physics guys. This is a gel, it cant have good ahdesion to everything. It will stick better to some surfaces, and worse to some other. But its very hard to achieve something thats hydrophobic and and well sticking (high adhesion) at the same time (and transparent). I wont say its impossible, but i highly daubt YOu can achieve it with simple gel. If You really need something like that You need some industrial coating (not some 5$ gel). Like CVD deposited polymers (parylene for example- US navy use it to protect their electronic from salt water). Its super thin, transparent, hydrophobic and serves as electric insulator. It's a two layer system involving a polymer and a fluorinated (fluorine is extremely electronegative, as is water) silicon dioxide. The hydrophobic coat only has to stick to one material, which is the base layer. The effectiveness of the entire system would be based on how well the polymer base layer bonds to surfaces, and how well the fluorinated silicon dioxide bonds to the base layer. This is only how Ultra-Ever Dry works though. I have no idea what NeverWet uses, but I would imagine it uses something besides silicon, since it is transparent. On June 20 2013 15:42 Angry_Fetus wrote: Ars Technica did a piece on Ultra Ever Dry (which looks identical to this stuff, at least in practice): Click Its practical uses are fairly limited. He strongly states that the shortcomings of his tests were likely due to his application method. NeverWet comes in two easy to use aerosol cans and is transparent, as seen in the video. | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
On June 20 2013 15:38 FiWiFaKi wrote: The documentation of this product on the internet is pretty poor, I cannot find too much information, but I do recommend you do some reading on similar substances, and the fact it's been available since 2011, but only for industrial use and not customer. For example Ever Dry, contained 6% Hexane, and 5% Toluene(http://www.ultraeverdrystore.com/how-to-use/base-coat-safety.pdf), that is simply AWFUL for the body. I expect similarities in the two products, as the advertising they are doing is practically identical to its preceders with the exception of waterproofing your iPhone (which PS can already be done via other methods). lol 6% Hexane and 5% Toluene? That is some really toxic stuff there. The example with spraying a pan for food...yeah that's a really bad idea. | ||
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scrubtastic
1166 Posts
I work with both silicone oil and spray on a somewhat regular basis (and yes there is a difference): Silicone spray with petroleum distillates - there's a bunch of shit you need to be mindful of: -Highly flammable -Skin/eye irritant and gets absorbed into the skin -Tough as BALLS to get off of objects you don't want it on -Can and will permanently damage plastic -Not remotely permanent if the object is being rubbed/touched I'd hope that this product being advertised is NOT like a traditional silicone spray in formulation given the advertising because good god I will be sad Now if it's more like a silicone oil you still have these problems: -Tough as BALLS to get it completely off of objects you don't want it on -Not remotely permanent if the object is being rubbed/touched Spray it on a painted car, and then decide you want the car painted? Good job! You made the painter's job either 20x harder or impossible (depending on the perfectionist tendencies of the painter) and he will fucking hate you and your car Spray it on a delicate, especially finished/painted, object and want it removed because it feels terrible to handle/is greasy/etc? Have fun! The best removal methods might fuck the object up too because the removal chemicals are fucking harsh and even so you might have silicone oil leeching into the material anyway There's the chance that this product is something totally different and avoids these problems but I would bet that this is just marketing going overboard on a slightly-improved product, if that. Do your research before buying. | ||
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