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On May 23 2013 03:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:
They shouted Allahu Ackbar because that's what Muslim jihadis yell when they're doing jihad.
The spine-breaking bends some people will undertake to not look at what's right in front of their eyes. Geez.
Get back in your scoliosis brace farv, you're hurting yourself.
They usually also don't live to tell the tale after they went full jihad...
We just have to wait and not jump to conclusions, which seldomly leads to a good discussion.
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On May 23 2013 03:51 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 03:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:
They shouted Allahu Ackbar because that's what Muslim jihadis yell when they're doing jihad.
The spine-breaking bends some people will undertake to not look at what's right in front of their eyes. Geez.
Get back in your scoliosis brace farv, you're hurting yourself. Because it is impossible for crazies to yell whatever the fuck they want after they've spilt blood? Get back to your Anti-Islamic neckbrace Deb, you're craning a bit too much.
Right, so if I say i did something because of X you automatically assume that's not the case? Interesting logic.
Stop making excuses for extremism, being tolerant against intolerance doesn't make any sense to me.
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On May 23 2013 03:51 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 03:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:
They shouted Allahu Ackbar because that's what Muslim jihadis yell when they're doing jihad.
The spine-breaking bends some people will undertake to not look at what's right in front of their eyes. Geez.
Get back in your scoliosis brace farv, you're hurting yourself. Because it is impossible for crazies to yell whatever the fuck they want after they've spilt blood? Get back to your Anti-Islamic neckbrace Deb, you're craning a bit too much.
I'm just operating on history, farv.
The number of times your hypothetical has been true: zero.
The number of times "Allahu Ackbar" has been completely accurate in proving motivation: all the times.
So trot out that Islamophobia card all you want, I'd rather be called an Islamophobe by ostriches than be an ostrich myself. Ostriches don't know what Islamophobia is anyway.
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I wonder why bystanders were just hanging out at this crazy scene and people were doing what they were told. "Oh hold this camera for us please, so we can get extra good shots of us butchering this guy".
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On May 23 2013 03:50 K_Dilkington wrote:
I'm extremely tired of Islamic fundamentalists, if they don't like it here in the west, why don't they move to a Islamic country?
Oh, the irony...
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On May 23 2013 03:58 Slaughter wrote:
I wonder why bystanders were just hanging out at this crazy scene and people were doing what they were told. "Oh hold this camera for us please, so we can get extra good shots of us butchering this guy".
Threatened maybe?
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On May 23 2013 03:59 Sovano wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 03:58 Slaughter wrote:
I wonder why bystanders were just hanging out at this crazy scene and people were doing what they were told. "Oh hold this camera for us please, so we can get extra good shots of us butchering this guy". Threatened maybe?
Shock. What would you do if you saw two guys try to run over someone then cut his head off? I'd be so shocked I wouldn't even try to run I'd think.
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On May 23 2013 03:59 Sovano wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 03:58 Slaughter wrote:
I wonder why bystanders were just hanging out at this crazy scene and people were doing what they were told. "Oh hold this camera for us please, so we can get extra good shots of us butchering this guy". Threatened maybe?
i think he means why, when you see a dude's head being hacked off, what the hell are you still doing at the scene of that
i can see having a dude with a bloody machette teling me what to do and complying. cant see that ahah
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On May 23 2013 03:55 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 03:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:
They shouted Allahu Ackbar because that's what Muslim jihadis yell when they're doing jihad.
The spine-breaking bends some people will undertake to not look at what's right in front of their eyes. Geez.
Get back in your scoliosis brace farv, you're hurting yourself. assume two independent muslim arab dudes in idaho, with absolutely no connections to any groups but believing in the ideology behind alquida or whatever, do this same attack and yell out allahu ackbar terrorists or not and why same situation, but the two christian dudes, doing it as a stand against abortion. terrorists or not? im just trying to understand what is the line here. Having a political motive? Being of a certain race/religion? Is general frustration and wanting to go out with your finger up to the world the same as doing it with the intention of scaring everyone into your way of thinking?
Don't be silly, white people and/or Christians can't be terrorists, because that doesn't suit the racist agenda of the media and the people they serve.
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On May 23 2013 03:50 K_Dilkington wrote:
I'm extremely tired of Islamic fundamentalists, if they don't like it here in the west, why don't they move to a Islamic country?
They enjoy the benefits of our society far too much for that.
RIP our kid. Thoughts with his poor, poor family.
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On May 23 2013 03:51 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 03:50 K_Dilkington wrote:
I'm extremely tired of Islamic fundamentalists, if they don't like it here in the west, why don't they move to a Islamic country? I believe that sir, is the $1million question. Why complain about a countries laws and beliefs whilst living there? Makes no sense >.<
You really should read and consider your comments before posting them.
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On May 23 2013 03:56 K_Dilkington wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 03:51 farvacola wrote:On May 23 2013 03:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:
They shouted Allahu Ackbar because that's what Muslim jihadis yell when they're doing jihad.
The spine-breaking bends some people will undertake to not look at what's right in front of their eyes. Geez.
Get back in your scoliosis brace farv, you're hurting yourself. Because it is impossible for crazies to yell whatever the fuck they want after they've spilt blood? Get back to your Anti-Islamic neckbrace Deb, you're craning a bit too much. Right, so if I say i did something because of X you automatically assume that's not the case? Interesting logic. Stop making excuses for extremism, being tolerant against intolerance doesn't make any sense to me.
No, you have no idea what you are talking about. Yelling "Allahu Ackbar" does not make me a Muslim anymore than saying "In Nomine Patris" makes me a Roman Catholic. At this current juncture, there is no reasonable way to judge the "authenticity" of these mens' religious motivations insofar as the committal of this crime is concerned, and the way you and the likes of Deb are oh so quick to immediately judge them as card carrying Muslims speaks volumes in terms of how easily the public is manipulated with surface level proclamations. In the event that these men are found to be involved in Islamic extremism outside this terrible act, your indictments will be justified. In the meantime, you are simply a puppet.
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On May 23 2013 03:50 K_Dilkington wrote:
I'm extremely tired of Islamic fundamentalists, if they don't like it here in the west, why don't they move to a Islamic country?
The secondary if not primary directive of any organized monotheistic religious fundamentalist (as far as our sampling size of the past centuries) is to spread their religious doctrine to as many people as they can. They wouldn't be fundamentalists if they weren't trying to convert others into their religion.
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On May 23 2013 03:51 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 03:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:
They shouted Allahu Ackbar because that's what Muslim jihadis yell when they're doing jihad.
The spine-breaking bends some people will undertake to not look at what's right in front of their eyes. Geez.
Get back in your scoliosis brace farv, you're hurting yourself. Because it is impossible for crazies to yell whatever the fuck they want after they've spilt blood? Get back to your Anti-Islamic neckbrace Deb, you're craning a bit too much.
The irony...
Setting: A guy kills another guy while shouting Allah Akbar
Possibility 1: He was serious. Wouldn't be the first time an extremist Muslim killed someone. Nor would it be the first time an extremist Muslim acted alone.
Possibility 2: He was a psycopath, randomly spewing nonsense. Had no motivation, was just overcome by bloodlust.
Now, which do you think is the greater possibility? You really think 2?
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On May 23 2013 03:41 Lycaeus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 03:32 AnomalySC2 wrote:
They should be executed in the most painful manner possible. Does nothing but show your own degree of inhumanity.
They deserve to be shown humanity after brutally stabbing and decapitating a random soldier in the middle of a street for no apparent reason? Having someone film it makes it just that much more disgusting to me.
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On May 23 2013 04:04 soon.Cloak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 03:51 farvacola wrote:On May 23 2013 03:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:
They shouted Allahu Ackbar because that's what Muslim jihadis yell when they're doing jihad.
The spine-breaking bends some people will undertake to not look at what's right in front of their eyes. Geez.
Get back in your scoliosis brace farv, you're hurting yourself. Because it is impossible for crazies to yell whatever the fuck they want after they've spilt blood? Get back to your Anti-Islamic neckbrace Deb, you're craning a bit too much. The irony... Setting: A guy kills another guy while shouting Allah Akbar Possibility 1: He was serious. Wouldn't be the first time an extremist Muslim killed someone. Nor would it be the first time an extremist Muslim acted alone. Possibility 2: He was a psycopath, randomly spewing nonsense. Had no motivation, was just overcome by bloodlust. Now, which do you think is the greater possibility? You really think 2?
That depends on your preconceived notions mainly - here in reality, we simply don't know yet.
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On May 23 2013 04:02 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 03:55 QuanticHawk wrote:On May 23 2013 03:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:
They shouted Allahu Ackbar because that's what Muslim jihadis yell when they're doing jihad.
The spine-breaking bends some people will undertake to not look at what's right in front of their eyes. Geez.
Get back in your scoliosis brace farv, you're hurting yourself. assume two independent muslim arab dudes in idaho, with absolutely no connections to any groups but believing in the ideology behind alquida or whatever, do this same attack and yell out allahu ackbar terrorists or not and why same situation, but the two christian dudes, doing it as a stand against abortion. terrorists or not? im just trying to understand what is the line here. Having a political motive? Being of a certain race/religion? Is general frustration and wanting to go out with your finger up to the world the same as doing it with the intention of scaring everyone into your way of thinking? Don't be silly, white people and/or Christians can't be terrorists, because that doesn't suit the racist agenda of the media and the people they serve.
while the media narrative can absolutely be racist im asking honestly here since i can see decent arguments for this being either here that have nothing to do with race or religion
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On May 23 2013 04:04 soon.Cloak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 03:51 farvacola wrote:On May 23 2013 03:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:
They shouted Allahu Ackbar because that's what Muslim jihadis yell when they're doing jihad.
The spine-breaking bends some people will undertake to not look at what's right in front of their eyes. Geez.
Get back in your scoliosis brace farv, you're hurting yourself. Because it is impossible for crazies to yell whatever the fuck they want after they've spilt blood? Get back to your Anti-Islamic neckbrace Deb, you're craning a bit too much. The irony... Setting: A guy kills another guy while shouting Allah Akbar Possibility 1: He was serious. Wouldn't be the first time an extremist Muslim killed someone. Nor would it be the first time an extremist Muslim acted alone. Possibility 2: He was a psycopath, randomly spewing nonsense. Had no motivation, was just overcome by bloodlust. Now, which do you think is the greater possibility? You really think 2?
I'm saying that the prudent choice at this juncture is to, oh I don't know, wait more than a fucking day before proclaiming that intent is clear? It isn't exactly hard.
Also, your understanding of irony is tenuous at best.
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On May 23 2013 04:04 soon.Cloak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 03:51 farvacola wrote:On May 23 2013 03:49 DeepElemBlues wrote:
They shouted Allahu Ackbar because that's what Muslim jihadis yell when they're doing jihad.
The spine-breaking bends some people will undertake to not look at what's right in front of their eyes. Geez.
Get back in your scoliosis brace farv, you're hurting yourself. Because it is impossible for crazies to yell whatever the fuck they want after they've spilt blood? Get back to your Anti-Islamic neckbrace Deb, you're craning a bit too much. The irony... Setting: A guy kills another guy while shouting Allah Akbar Possibility 1: He was serious. Wouldn't be the first time an extremist Muslim killed someone. Nor would it be the first time an extremist Muslim acted alone. Possibility 2: He was a psycopath, randomly spewing nonsense. Had no motivation, was just overcome by bloodlust. Now, which do you think is the greater possibility? You really think 2?
I don't think he's saying that he thinks one is more likely than the other. I think he's saying that both are purely speculation at this point and that it's wrong to jump to conclusions before we know the killers' motivations.
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Even if they were Muslim, who cares? The vast majority of the Muslim community thinks the same thing about these attacks as the rest of the world.
Attacks by radical Muslims just get more play in the media (and they currently are more "active" in their activities due to all the shit going down in the Middle East). But other "terrorists" not affiliated with the Muslim religion still do stuff, its just that whenever a Muslim does something it gets amplified 100x because it plays well in the media.
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