On June 23 2006 17:29 FlavOrs wrote: No, it was real clean. Looked very professional. Some of the people that were working there, I had seen from highschool. A lot of which were in DECA. So maybe you can make something out of it. I personally would not like to sell knives, or worry about getting buyers. I also didn't trust the company, they lied to me already and I didn't want to deal with bullshit.
ROFL I'm in DECA and O man most DECA kids are great but there're some dumb fucks who join up just to go to the CDC dances n shit. Anyways Vector marketing is banned in China. It's legal but it's misleading and it is to some degree, a scam. Someone pull u over and says: Hey dude, ur my bestest friend yo, I sell these knives 4 u real cheap k? They only worth blah, lots cheaper from the real price. Then he proceeds to subdue you and makes you believe what he says is actually true. You buy the knife and try to sell it to other of ur friends. You then scam ur friend in saying the knife is real cheap blah, making him believing he's actually gaining. Then the hype of how good the knife is passes on and on and on, then at the last customer, he's screwed cuz he bought a knife that's worth not even half as much as he paid(cuz he got scammed) and he can never sell these knives out to get back his money. GG.
btw though...
If you are going to sales marketing, you NEED passion. Passion is not scam, passion is being in a positive spirit and engage fully with your customer so he/she knows exactly what you're selling and the product's potentials. I made $100 in 4 hours at a carnival by selling candies for 50 cents a piece by just engaging and being very nice to my customers. ^^
By the way, if it's called a "security deposit" then I think its whole purpose is to get some money out of you even if you quit right away. So I doubt they'll be giving it back to you...
By the way, if it's called a "security deposit" then I think its whole purpose is to get some money out of you even if you quit right away. So I doubt they'll be giving it back to you...
it's not a security deposit. it's pretty much to buy the knives you're going to be demostrating
ps. i worked their for a month or so and let me tell you, it's the worst place on the planet. all these kids are phonies and have lost all dignity.
Hi there sorry to bump but I got hired today haha! It was funny :D
I got this letter, god knows where, I think my friend gave it to me, and it says they're open for interviews, the pay looks good, $17.70, but it did not say is it by hour or by piece. It looked too good to be by hours though, so I suspected it is by piece. Called this dude on phone, his name was Joe Boriedo, and the name made me very hungry.
During the phone call he informed me that "the positions are filling up pretty fast so I'm trying to get you in as fast as possible." He also said he will not specify the nature of their selling untill the interview. Okay np.
That night when I told my parents that I will be having an interview tomorrow, they are all very surprised because I did not even fill any application.
Well, I had my friend drove me to their office today(he's such a good man, he waited for me while reading his LOTR book), and still didn't know what they're selling, I walked in the front door. A nicely dressed lady reminded me kindly that if it is for interview they should go to the back door.
I walked out, and saw myself in the mirror all in formal dress, the only time I had to wear formal are normally during DECA competitions, it gave me a strange feeling.
I walked into the backroom, which looks exactly like a competition room. Long tables, little papers and pens ready to go, some cheesy musics playing on the speaker. On the long tables are table cloths that draped all the way to the bottom and huge gold letters of "Marketing Student" were plastered across it. Mr. Joe Burrido walked up to me and we met formally. He was a short fella, goes up to about my nose, he had a nicely trimmed beard and short, clean hair that fashioned his head into a cone shape. He had a faint mustache that grew in the direction of a curled vector field, quite a sight. Firm handshake, very professional, and he invited me to sit down on one of those metal folded up chairs.
A girl about my age handed me a interview application paper, where I supplied my information such as name, address, phone, ss, all the usual thing. On the bottom there are some general questions on when, where, how you can work, what college you attend, ect. Looks very good so far.
Then there's this one on one interview, Joe seems rather cold and distant, encouraging yet not overly open. I think he's trying to make an appearance to make people feel that this job is serious business. Well, he made a very good impression of it and I was convinced. I looked across the table, it was empty except for some folders here and there. By the end of this interview Joe told me that "you are pretty much like the kind of person I would hire. Stick around for the second interview."
Then I was send out on the tables again to read a bit of magazine, then the group interview. I took my time looking through some of the magazines on the table. They're rather boring, about modeling and cars. So I stood up and had a walk around the room. I found out that there are numerous trophies around the room, like, 100 of them. I find it odd that such a small room could contain THAT many trophies(Even in my DECA days we did not have that many trophies, and that's for a state conference for about 1000 people). There are also a lot of recognitions on the wall, saying "Vector Marketing is the best training course blah blah - 3rdparty" However, I tried to find some big names that had approved Vector as a company, like wallstreets, but I found none.
Before the interview starts, a hot chick went over and said that she had been working with Joe for about half a year now, and she handed us papers and told us to keep our eye contact. Then Joe came, he told us that not everyone of us will be selected, and that he will be watching our performance during this interactive interview. We gathered around a very small table, all 10 of us, and rooms are very tight.
He then turned off the music, the room looked quite serious with out those cheesy music, it felt almost at a conference table and here's your judge, but there's a twist, the judge had took out a long dangerously looking knife.
He then proceeded to tell us what is Vector Marketing, and what does it do exactly. It is around now where my brain began to click, I thought about vector. Vector, Vector, this name just sounds "wrong". I cannot pin my fingers on it but inside the back of my brain I knew something was off with this company.
He then informed us about the practice of the company, in that it is a one on one appointment based demonstration of the knife. It sounded really nice because it is not entirely cold calling or door to door sell because you have an appointment beforehand. Also that they pay you by appointments instead of solely on commissions, which sounds very nice too. He then did the demonstration of how the knives work, and that its blades are "double d", and they cut better. Yes, the knives are very very good compared to the other knives he has, it cuts through a rope easily, and we cut leathers w/ one of the smaller steak knives, felt wonderful.
All the while he kept reminding us that we do not need to make any sales, just keep a layed back profile and do not be too "over the edge" enthusiastic. He is making a very good presentation to us, however, he never once mentioned the price of the knives.
He then talked about the payment, that it is 17.70 dollars per appointment, just to show up and demonstrate the knife, and he says that the appointment lasts from 30 to 90 minutes. I thought about this for awhile and it seems reasonable so far, seeing how minimum wage is only 7.25 here. Also, he told us about this incentive pay, something like if you make 1000 dollar worth of total sells, you get 10% of those, and if you make 3000 dollar of total sales, you make 20%. It goes all the way up to 6000 dollars worth of total sales and a whopping 25% bonus. The next level is 10,000 dollars of sales and an amazing 30%, however, he did not show us how much that would be. I highly suspect that it is left intentionally to us to do the multiplication and find out we can make 3,000 dollars a week if we ever manage to sell a totoal amount of 10,000...
There's the click though, just how much would the knife cost if I ever wish to come close to even 2000 dollars worth of sales? Imagine if each knife set cost 200 dollars, that's still 10 sets of knife. I personally do not know alot of people that would buy any set of knife for 200 dollars.
He then passed around a fisherman's knife. It is a long skinny knife, looked alrite, it is very fancy that it had a stone on the side for sharpening, a nick on the sheath where the knife is exposed for cutting fishwire, and even a plyer by the end of the sheath to yank the hook out of the fish. When he passed the knife around, I took a very close look at it and I thought it looked rather plastic than leather, it's like looking at a conterstrike graphic rendering.
I got more worried when he told us that the factory is in New York. That makes 0 sense what so ever. At least in Iowa for production for god sake, but New York, one of the most expensive city of all places they put their factory.
He then made us an amazing offering, he says that to properly do the demonstrations, we'll need to buy ourselves a knife set. The knife set was originally 570 dollars, however, just to be nice, he made us a 70% discount and slashed the price all the way o 140 dollars. He further informed us that most of the teams ended up keeping the knife set anyways and it's a very good deal.
He then gave us a new stack of papers, and on it we wrote why we want to work for vecor, why they want us, ect. By this point I am still a bit hesitant because I personally loved their by appointment paying basis. Not long Joe Burrito called me into his office. I had a look around and... A stack of paper with a yellow folder on top had magically appeared on the table. And on that yellow folder there are huge red letters "NOT ACCEPTED" plastered across it. I thought to myself, "Ooh... that many people rejected already since I came here? That's really fast..." He then told us that we might hire you, keep your cellphone on I will call you later.
So half an hour later he called me and said that he was impressed with my performance(which really isn't, because I feel I didn't do nearly good enough in the interview, missed so many terms I knew so well in DECA and forgot to say them on the spot ect..." Now to think about it, it makes sense to send us home THEN call us about the hiring, because we won't notice that all of us are eventually hired anyways. I also rememberd this old guy, about 30 years old walked out right after the 2nd interview because he knew something was boogus.
So yeah that's my story, :D If I don't have to buy the knife myself I will definitely worked for them. However, in retrospect I really don't know where my appointment would be and I might have to travel 30 miles just to get to his/her house to advertise. I also thought about how long would it take to earn 17.70 dollars, and I figured all the time driving/biking with a huge box of knife, it probably takes me 2-3 hours to earn that much. The incentive pay is nonexistent because I will only work for the summer time, and I do not think I'll ever be able to make 5 sells, let alone 2000+ dollar worth of sells.
Yeah I just had my interview with them yesterday. Everything Rise said in his opening post completely summed up my thought processes through the long-ass (almost 3 hours) "interview". I even experienced the same crummy office, upbeat employees, and loud radio. My training day is scheduled for Thursday but I'm definitely not going thanks to this thread. They try to make it like you would have to be stupid to give up this deal, but as it was stated before it gave me a bad "gut-feeling."
Still, it kinda disappoints me to give up a job as I have had no work experience before.
Of course theyre upbeat, instead of selling shit ass knives to fuckers on the street for $2 a pop, they are making an instant $144 off of you in an office that didnt require them to go anywhere at all.
On June 23 2006 15:58 MoltkeWarding wrote: I have experiences with this, but I don't feel like typing an essay. If you want to know, MSN me at FM_Moltke@hotmail.com
yeah... pretty much just a huge scam. I mean, you don't do door-to-door or call people, then how the hell are you going to manage to get an appointment? Family and friends? so you can scam them into buying one of your knives?
my coworker had a similar experience all-though they were selling some unknown internet service provider. my coworker got brainwashed and work for them for 2 weeks. he told me his experience. how a cute girl walks up to him and offer him a job, he agree to be interview. I remember him telling me how he had to dress formal with tie and all to the interview. and about this really beautyful girl that interviewed him, he prob fell for the girl and took the job... anyway he spoke of getting a percentage of the profit if he make X amount of sales then larger bonus like evanthebouncy discribed . I dont think the made much money from the job, else he wouldn't have quit.
A few weeks later I was then aproched by a really pretty girl about my age; prob a collage student telling me of a job opening for her company she works for. then ask me for my number, next day called me. I was like wow pretty girl called : ) . we chat a bit i ask a few question about the job she never would tell me what kind of job im actually applying for which is really strange unless she works for FBI for CIA. she said her boss could interview me that day. so i said sure; nothing to lose after all. i have to dress really nice she say need a tie and stuff. she said she'll call back after she sets the appoinment with her boss. so I tough to my self how odd, I cant remember the last time a stranger came upto me offering a job and unable to tell my they nature of the job. then I remember coworker was lured the same way so i put the peices togeather. So when she called back and the appointment is set. I told her I change my mind. well short story she was pretty pissed.
i read the wiki and petition on vector marketing intresting. in the papers where I live (MA, USA) there alot of help wanted add for "appointment setter" with 18$ commission. enticing for any student. too bad they all scams...
On June 23 2006 15:58 MoltkeWarding wrote: I have experiences with this, but I don't feel like typing an essay. If you want to know, MSN me at FM_Moltke@hotmail.com
Yeah, but vectorman 2 is much better than 1 though. It kind of reminds me of starcraft in that it's a "hard counter" game. That is, you either die pretty quickly, or, because of the multipliers effect on 1ups (in that if you have a ten X multiplier and pick a 1up you get ten 1ups), you win with quite a few lives. The bonus levels are throwbacks to atari, and a ton of fun. And the bosses are pretty interesting.
the company basically makes you sell the knives to your closest family and friends (they will buy it just because they know you) and then when your contacts are out you will run out of people to sell knives to and you quit.
they then go find more people to fool/hire.
very, very very few people actually make a career out of selling knives, as of course this is cold calling.
i actually did this for two weeks, i sold some knives to some of my friends and family. they were overpriced but most of them still love the knife, which, while expensive, IS a pretty quality product. my parents still use the knife they bought every time they cook. it just sucks they way they use young kids and their parents/close friends to buy them.
they even had a big sales conference for people where hundreds of their new sales guys went to workshops and seminars and meetings and such about how to talk to people and sell stuff, and also to give out awards for the offices with the most sales.
the whole thing is pretty much bullshit though, but i did make some money in two weeks then just never went back because i hated being a salesman who had to constantly pressure people. i made a good amount of money in those two weeks (~$800) but it just sucked, so i quit. i don't think they cared anyway they got me to sell knives to all the people that'd buy them from me anyway.
On June 12 2007 17:08 Hot_Bid wrote: the company basically makes you sell the knives to your closest family and friends (they will buy it just because they know you) and then when your contacts are out you will run out of people to sell knives to and you quit.
they then go find more people to fool/hire.
very, very very few people actually make a career out of selling knives, as of course this is cold calling.
i actually did this for two weeks, i sold some knives to some of my friends and family. they were overpriced but most of them still love the knife, which, while expensive, IS a pretty quality product. my parents still use the knife they bought every time they cook. it just sucks they way they use young kids and their parents/close friends to buy them.
they even had a big sales conference for people where hundreds of their new sales guys went to workshops and seminars and meetings and such about how to talk to people and sell stuff, and also to give out awards for the offices with the most sales.
the whole thing is pretty much bullshit though, but i did make some money in two weeks then just never went back because i hated being a salesman who had to constantly pressure people. i made a good amount of money in those two weeks (~$800) but it just sucked, so i quit. i don't think they cared anyway they got me to sell knives to all the people that'd buy them from me anyway.
Damn, I cant believe I read all of evan's story. Sounds exactly like what one of my friends did. Not knives, but a different product, but it was the same idea, where he supposedly made like over twice minimum wage and all he had to do was make a few presentations.
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