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On May 02 2013 19:59 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 19:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 19:56 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 19:52 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:49 Nausea wrote:
I like how one in this thread called this "attention seeking blog". Ah the sexism shines through like a bright light.. Can you tell me any blog you can point to that is not in its nature attention seeking. I think if you post anything on the internet you are attention seeking. Wow look at all the news posts on this site, how attention seeking. I liked your attention seeking post btw. But as a women when she speaks she speaks purely to get male attention because she's overreacting. Literally the response in this topic. I was expecting more from you KwarK. But if you're going to turn this into a circle jerk of "feminism is right" without bringing any semblance of an argument that pertains to the case in question, and not some vague "woman have it rough irl" that isn't even relevant, I'll just concede and find something better to do with my time. You're objectively wrong. The topic is better without more wrong on it. Feel free to leave. Thanks for pointing out how I'm wrong with actual examples other than "you're wrong". I didn't see the point if you were already passive aggressively leaving.
I'm interested because you always claim that some of the views I agree with are "objectively wrong" and "sexist" but in no thread that I have seen you post in, did you actually refute any of it other than just fluff circlejerky statements that weren't even relevant to the case at hand. So in that sense, I'm really wondering if you can follow through and make an actual case.
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On May 02 2013 19:57 DR.Ham wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 19:39 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:36 nttea wrote:
Oh my god you guys are unbearable... Seriously a girl gets upset over trolls and you all get a stick up your ass over it, for every girl complaining about sexism there's like 20 dudes complaining about girls complaining over sexism. How about man up? Why is girls complaining about sexism so incredibly important an issue to you that you constantly have to point out how ridiculous you think they are? The replies to this topic so far have been pretty demoralising. Whenever a topic like this comes along I like teamliquid a little less. It's impressive to me that she has the passion for games and such that she is willing to put up with all the bullshit and still produce content.
I actually watched few of her videos, since I'm totally bored right now and they are quite awful content wise, I'm pretty sure that if she were a man she wouldn't get 1/10 of the views she has now. Therefore she made her entire carrier based on her gender but don't want to deal with gender difference. That's so so hypocritical...
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On May 02 2013 20:01 edlover420 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 19:57 DR.Ham wrote:On May 02 2013 19:39 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:36 nttea wrote:
Oh my god you guys are unbearable... Seriously a girl gets upset over trolls and you all get a stick up your ass over it, for every girl complaining about sexism there's like 20 dudes complaining about girls complaining over sexism. How about man up? Why is girls complaining about sexism so incredibly important an issue to you that you constantly have to point out how ridiculous you think they are? The replies to this topic so far have been pretty demoralising. Whenever a topic like this comes along I like teamliquid a little less. It's impressive to me that she has the passion for games and such that she is willing to put up with all the bullshit and still produce content. I actually watched few of her videos, since I'm totally bored right now and they are quite awful content wise, I'm pretty sure that if she were a man she wouldn't get 1/10 of the views she has now. Therefore she made her entire carrier based on her gender but don't want to deal with gender difference. That's so so hypocritical...
This post is literally "yes she got a load of sexist abuse and harassment but she was asking for it by doing X which encouraged male attention".
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On May 02 2013 20:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 19:59 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 19:56 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 19:52 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:49 Nausea wrote:
I like how one in this thread called this "attention seeking blog". Ah the sexism shines through like a bright light.. Can you tell me any blog you can point to that is not in its nature attention seeking. I think if you post anything on the internet you are attention seeking. Wow look at all the news posts on this site, how attention seeking. I liked your attention seeking post btw. But as a women when she speaks she speaks purely to get male attention because she's overreacting. Literally the response in this topic. I was expecting more from you KwarK. But if you're going to turn this into a circle jerk of "feminism is right" without bringing any semblance of an argument that pertains to the case in question, and not some vague "woman have it rough irl" that isn't even relevant, I'll just concede and find something better to do with my time. You're objectively wrong. The topic is better without more wrong on it. Feel free to leave. Thanks for pointing out how I'm wrong with actual examples other than "you're wrong". I didn't see the point if you were already passive aggressively leaving. I'm interested because you always claim that some of the views I agree with are "objectively wrong" and "sexist" but in no thread that I have seen you post in, did you actually refute any of it other than just fluff circlejerky statements that weren't even relevant to the case at hand. So in that sense, I'm really wondering if you can follow through and make an actual case.
Ok. Would you argue that men and women are considered in the same way when it comes to what they are expected to do, how they should react given a certain situation, and that they have absolutely equal opportunities no matter what kind of activity they want to engage into?
If you do not, please explain why.
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On May 02 2013 20:02 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 20:01 edlover420 wrote:On May 02 2013 19:57 DR.Ham wrote:On May 02 2013 19:39 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:36 nttea wrote:
Oh my god you guys are unbearable... Seriously a girl gets upset over trolls and you all get a stick up your ass over it, for every girl complaining about sexism there's like 20 dudes complaining about girls complaining over sexism. How about man up? Why is girls complaining about sexism so incredibly important an issue to you that you constantly have to point out how ridiculous you think they are? The replies to this topic so far have been pretty demoralising. Whenever a topic like this comes along I like teamliquid a little less. It's impressive to me that she has the passion for games and such that she is willing to put up with all the bullshit and still produce content. I actually watched few of her videos, since I'm totally bored right now and they are quite awful content wise, I'm pretty sure that if she were a man she wouldn't get 1/10 of the views she has now. Therefore she made her entire carrier based on her gender but don't want to deal with gender difference. That's so so hypocritical... This post is literally "yes she got a load of sexist abuse and harassment but she was asking for it by doing X which encouraged male attention".
But do you disagree that women on the internet naturally get a lot more attention for a disproportionately lesser amount of effort put into whatever?
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On May 02 2013 19:58 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 19:57 DR.Ham wrote:On May 02 2013 19:39 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:36 nttea wrote:
Oh my god you guys are unbearable... Seriously a girl gets upset over trolls and you all get a stick up your ass over it, for every girl complaining about sexism there's like 20 dudes complaining about girls complaining over sexism. How about man up? Why is girls complaining about sexism so incredibly important an issue to you that you constantly have to point out how ridiculous you think they are? The replies to this topic so far have been pretty demoralising. Whenever a topic like this comes along I like teamliquid a little less. I could not agree with both of these statements more. In the first page of responses alone, there are so many of the standard sexist trope responses: * She is attention seeking. * I have it just as bad being a man, but I can't complain about it. * Names don't bother me or some other random female I make up, therefore she should not be bothered either. * Sexism doesn't exist. etc etc etc It's impressive to me that she has the passion for games and such that she is willing to put up with all the bullshit and still produce content. Can you refute any of that beyond just calling it wrong and sexist? Much appreciated.
Can you prove anything you have said in this thread?
Perhaps you could explain some of these gems of wisdom?
"Is this woman stupid? People on the internet are given a free-pass to do and say far more than just being sexist to some uptight, sensitive and easily-offended woman like her who apparently doesn't understand how the internet works or that you can't censor it."
"Protip to her: stop being butthurt, either get off the Internet or learn to deal with. Seriously." ..."Because you're kinda getting trolled here hun"
"But when you call them out publicly while portraying yourself as a victim (which ironically enough, is a stereotypically-female thing to do ) that does absolutely nothing but feed their hunger for attention and lets them know "oh good, we can cause drama and chaos here, let's keep doing this"."
"It's funny because in doing so, she is hypocritically and ironically perpetuating the stereotype that most girl gamers just want attention and will try really hard to get it."
So, either you are just spouting generally sexist drivel, or you will claim you are "trolling" now I guess?
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On May 02 2013 20:02 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 20:01 edlover420 wrote:On May 02 2013 19:57 DR.Ham wrote:On May 02 2013 19:39 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:36 nttea wrote:
Oh my god you guys are unbearable... Seriously a girl gets upset over trolls and you all get a stick up your ass over it, for every girl complaining about sexism there's like 20 dudes complaining about girls complaining over sexism. How about man up? Why is girls complaining about sexism so incredibly important an issue to you that you constantly have to point out how ridiculous you think they are? The replies to this topic so far have been pretty demoralising. Whenever a topic like this comes along I like teamliquid a little less. It's impressive to me that she has the passion for games and such that she is willing to put up with all the bullshit and still produce content. I actually watched few of her videos, since I'm totally bored right now and they are quite awful content wise, I'm pretty sure that if she were a man she wouldn't get 1/10 of the views she has now. Therefore she made her entire carrier based on her gender but don't want to deal with gender difference. That's so so hypocritical... This post is literally "yes she got a load of sexist abuse and harassment but she was asking for it by doing X which encouraged male attention".
How horrible of her to be born female and trying to produce content online. She should pay for it
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On May 02 2013 19:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 19:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 19:35 Goozen wrote:On May 02 2013 19:29 Velr wrote:On May 02 2013 19:21 Goozen wrote:
The only solution is remove anonymity, nothing else will work. The bottom line is that there are 2 kinds of people who obey the law. Those that who do it because its a law, and those who fear the punishment that they will receive from breaking it. As long as this vocal minority isn't forced to receive consequences for their action, they won't change.
And lets face it, it doesn't help that a fair number of women use their sexuality as a tool to gain benefits. Then there are teenagers (the main adience of stuff like this?) which often don't give a shit if there is no imminent/direct punishment... Which there never can and will be for stuff like this. These are not even "easy" cases... I mean, where do you draw the line between harsh criticism or some "vulgar language" and ILLEGAL sexism/harrasment? You would need to have a Judge reading over all this and decide case by case... Oh... And your on the Internet, that means these "offenders" can come from any country in the world, witch basically all have diffrent laws... If she (or anyone else) can't deal with it... Then don't do it. It's not like actors or other TV-Persons have it "better", they normally just don't read immediate chat feedback. Your going out there in front of a camera, you will gate rated, insulted and objectified... Deal with it. I know, thats the problem. There is no way to stop or prevent this, the most that can happen is that moderates remove comments and ban people from youtube. But lets face it, i doubt that will happen also. Saying "if you can't deal with it, don't do it" is the wrong attitude. Using this logic the police can say "don't wear revealing/ provocative clothing if you don't want to get harassed". There is a problem, there simply isnt much we can do, but blaming her is not the correct action. I agree, blaming her is not the correct action. I personally am not blaming her for this happening, although I will blame her for being a hypocrite (see my other posts) and also for dealing with this in the completely wrong way. Ignore the trolls, get someone to ban/censor them for you, or smite them. Going public with this (as if it's a big deal, as if there aren't thousand of other YouTube and Twitch channels that deal with this shit just as much as her) and playing victim will NOT accomplish Anything AT ALL. EDIT: Or she can even realize that these trolls still contribute to her page views, video views, channel views etc and by commenting they push her videos higher up the YouTube ladder. So she's basically able to make more money thanks to this negative attention. Could probably try to exploit that instead of getting all pissy. You realise that women are trained from an early age not to cause a scene when men do things they're not comfortable. That it's just boys being boys and they should just put up with it, from leering to catcalling all the way up to harassment. That if a woman actually says "why don't you just fuck off" then suddenly she's hormonal, overreacting and a bitch. People blame women for rape when they don't fight enough or say "no" loudly enough and they call them attention seekers when they call out harassment. It's a no win situation.
Harassment in stream chats and in comments on websites is completely different from harassment in the real world though. Of course everyone doing this should fuck off, and I don't think most people would judge her for telling them to fuck off. But stream chats and comments on websites can be moderated, which is probably the best solution currently. Regarding whether or not she is "attention whoring", some people might make this accusation because frankly, everyone who makes money through content creation on the internet benefits from publicity and views. So this isn't a completely illogical thought to have, although I doubt most people writing about her on the internet know enough to make an informed judgement of her.
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On May 02 2013 20:03 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 20:02 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 20:01 edlover420 wrote:On May 02 2013 19:57 DR.Ham wrote:On May 02 2013 19:39 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:36 nttea wrote:
Oh my god you guys are unbearable... Seriously a girl gets upset over trolls and you all get a stick up your ass over it, for every girl complaining about sexism there's like 20 dudes complaining about girls complaining over sexism. How about man up? Why is girls complaining about sexism so incredibly important an issue to you that you constantly have to point out how ridiculous you think they are? The replies to this topic so far have been pretty demoralising. Whenever a topic like this comes along I like teamliquid a little less. It's impressive to me that she has the passion for games and such that she is willing to put up with all the bullshit and still produce content. I actually watched few of her videos, since I'm totally bored right now and they are quite awful content wise, I'm pretty sure that if she were a man she wouldn't get 1/10 of the views she has now. Therefore she made her entire carrier based on her gender but don't want to deal with gender difference. That's so so hypocritical... This post is literally "yes she got a load of sexist abuse and harassment but she was asking for it by doing X which encouraged male attention". But do you disagree that women on the internet naturally get a lot more attention for a disproportionately lesser amount of effort put into whatever?
Not relevant. Can you not see that he just rationalised sexist abuse because this girl asked for it by doing something other than going "please send me sexist abuse"? If so, how can you not see that? People like him are literally the problem.
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On May 02 2013 20:03 Ahelvin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 20:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 19:59 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 19:56 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 19:52 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:49 Nausea wrote:
I like how one in this thread called this "attention seeking blog". Ah the sexism shines through like a bright light.. Can you tell me any blog you can point to that is not in its nature attention seeking. I think if you post anything on the internet you are attention seeking. Wow look at all the news posts on this site, how attention seeking. I liked your attention seeking post btw. But as a women when she speaks she speaks purely to get male attention because she's overreacting. Literally the response in this topic. I was expecting more from you KwarK. But if you're going to turn this into a circle jerk of "feminism is right" without bringing any semblance of an argument that pertains to the case in question, and not some vague "woman have it rough irl" that isn't even relevant, I'll just concede and find something better to do with my time. You're objectively wrong. The topic is better without more wrong on it. Feel free to leave. Thanks for pointing out how I'm wrong with actual examples other than "you're wrong". I didn't see the point if you were already passive aggressively leaving. I'm interested because you always claim that some of the views I agree with are "objectively wrong" and "sexist" but in no thread that I have seen you post in, did you actually refute any of it other than just fluff circlejerky statements that weren't even relevant to the case at hand. So in that sense, I'm really wondering if you can follow through and make an actual case. Ok. Would you argue that men and women are considered in the same way when it comes to what they are expected to do, how they should react given a certain situation, and that they have absolutely equal opportunities no matter what kind of activity they want to engage into? If you do not, please explain why.
Personally, the conclusion that I have come to after looking at some of these issues is that human society will never get rid of discrimination without also getting rid of individualism. But that's likely grounds for another debate entirely.
The problem I have with feminism defenders is how they never also look at the advantages that sexism would entail for women.
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On May 02 2013 20:05 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 20:03 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 20:02 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 20:01 edlover420 wrote:On May 02 2013 19:57 DR.Ham wrote:On May 02 2013 19:39 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:36 nttea wrote:
Oh my god you guys are unbearable... Seriously a girl gets upset over trolls and you all get a stick up your ass over it, for every girl complaining about sexism there's like 20 dudes complaining about girls complaining over sexism. How about man up? Why is girls complaining about sexism so incredibly important an issue to you that you constantly have to point out how ridiculous you think they are? The replies to this topic so far have been pretty demoralising. Whenever a topic like this comes along I like teamliquid a little less. It's impressive to me that she has the passion for games and such that she is willing to put up with all the bullshit and still produce content. I actually watched few of her videos, since I'm totally bored right now and they are quite awful content wise, I'm pretty sure that if she were a man she wouldn't get 1/10 of the views she has now. Therefore she made her entire carrier based on her gender but don't want to deal with gender difference. That's so so hypocritical... This post is literally "yes she got a load of sexist abuse and harassment but she was asking for it by doing X which encouraged male attention". But do you disagree that women on the internet naturally get a lot more attention for a disproportionately lesser amount of effort put into whatever? Not relevant. Can you not see that he just rationalised sexist abuse because this girl asked for it by doing something other than going "please send me sexist abuse"? If so, how can you not see that? People like him are literally the problem.
Stop responding to him, he is just acting like this because he is a stupid male. Male are always like that : they want to be right even if it means denying the fundamentals of what constitute reality.
+ Show Spoiler +How does it feel being disqualified on your gender?
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On May 02 2013 19:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 19:52 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:49 Nausea wrote:
I like how one in this thread called this "attention seeking blog". Ah the sexism shines through like a bright light.. Can you tell me any blog you can point to that is not in its nature attention seeking. I think if you post anything on the internet you are attention seeking. Wow look at all the news posts on this site, how attention seeking. I liked your attention seeking post btw. But as a women when she speaks she speaks purely to get male attention because she's overreacting. Literally the response in this topic. I was expecting more from you KwarK. But if you're going to turn this into a circle jerk of "feminism is right" without bringing any semblance of an argument that pertains to the case in question, and not some vague "woman have it rough irl" that isn't even relevant, I'll just concede and find something better to do with my time.
Because attacking anyone who claims to be a victim of sexism is such valuable use of your time, gotta keep fighting the good fight right?
I would honestly suggest you take your own advice with regards to trolls and say just ignore feminist/sexist outcries because lets face it, (as you said) you're not going to change anything, and all you end up doing is making yourself look like an asshole and piss people off.
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On May 02 2013 20:03 DR.Ham wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 19:58 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 19:57 DR.Ham wrote:On May 02 2013 19:39 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:36 nttea wrote:
Oh my god you guys are unbearable... Seriously a girl gets upset over trolls and you all get a stick up your ass over it, for every girl complaining about sexism there's like 20 dudes complaining about girls complaining over sexism. How about man up? Why is girls complaining about sexism so incredibly important an issue to you that you constantly have to point out how ridiculous you think they are? The replies to this topic so far have been pretty demoralising. Whenever a topic like this comes along I like teamliquid a little less. I could not agree with both of these statements more. In the first page of responses alone, there are so many of the standard sexist trope responses: * She is attention seeking. * I have it just as bad being a man, but I can't complain about it. * Names don't bother me or some other random female I make up, therefore she should not be bothered either. * Sexism doesn't exist. etc etc etc It's impressive to me that she has the passion for games and such that she is willing to put up with all the bullshit and still produce content. Can you refute any of that beyond just calling it wrong and sexist? Much appreciated. Can you prove anything you have said in this thread? Perhaps you could explain some of these gems of wisdom? "Is this woman stupid? People on the internet are given a free-pass to do and say far more than just being sexist to some uptight, sensitive and easily-offended woman like her who apparently doesn't understand how the internet works or that you can't censor it." "Protip to her: stop being butthurt, either get off the Internet or learn to deal with. Seriously." ..."Because you're kinda getting trolled here hun" "But when you call them out publicly while portraying yourself as a victim (which ironically enough, is a stereotypically-female thing to do ) that does absolutely nothing but feed their hunger for attention and lets them know "oh good, we can cause drama and chaos here, let's keep doing this"." "It's funny because in doing so, she is hypocritically and ironically perpetuating the stereotype that most girl gamers just want attention and will try really hard to get it." So, either you are just spouting generally sexist drivel, or you will claim you are "trolling" now I guess?
If you legitimately can't understand what I posted, then you should probably get off the internet as well.
1. There are people who say and do far worse things online than harass women, that's a fact
2. Giving trolls attention will only make them more ardent in their desire to get you riled up, that's also a fact.
3. See #2
4. See #2 as well
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On May 02 2013 20:06 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 20:03 Ahelvin wrote:On May 02 2013 20:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 19:59 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 19:56 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 19:52 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:49 Nausea wrote:
I like how one in this thread called this "attention seeking blog". Ah the sexism shines through like a bright light.. Can you tell me any blog you can point to that is not in its nature attention seeking. I think if you post anything on the internet you are attention seeking. Wow look at all the news posts on this site, how attention seeking. I liked your attention seeking post btw. But as a women when she speaks she speaks purely to get male attention because she's overreacting. Literally the response in this topic. I was expecting more from you KwarK. But if you're going to turn this into a circle jerk of "feminism is right" without bringing any semblance of an argument that pertains to the case in question, and not some vague "woman have it rough irl" that isn't even relevant, I'll just concede and find something better to do with my time. You're objectively wrong. The topic is better without more wrong on it. Feel free to leave. Thanks for pointing out how I'm wrong with actual examples other than "you're wrong". I didn't see the point if you were already passive aggressively leaving. I'm interested because you always claim that some of the views I agree with are "objectively wrong" and "sexist" but in no thread that I have seen you post in, did you actually refute any of it other than just fluff circlejerky statements that weren't even relevant to the case at hand. So in that sense, I'm really wondering if you can follow through and make an actual case. Ok. Would you argue that men and women are considered in the same way when it comes to what they are expected to do, how they should react given a certain situation, and that they have absolutely equal opportunities no matter what kind of activity they want to engage into? If you do not, please explain why. Personally, the conclusion that I have come to after looking at some of these issues is that human society will never get rid of discrimination without also getting rid of individualism. But that's likely grounds for another debate entirely. The problem I have with feminism defenders is how they never also look at the advantages that sexism would entail for women.
Wrong. Entirely wrong. Feminism is all about making people conscious of the prejudice associated with each gender (and men are also subjected to it, the proof being the existence of words such as "man up" or "get some balls" : men are always expected to act strong, tough...) in order for individuals to be more free of doing what they really want to do and being what they really want to be, independently of what the society would like them to be given their gender.
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Don't know how anybody can get riled up over facebook or youtube comments... Apart from getting rid of the internet's anonymity (which won't happen and for good reasons), I don't see a quick fix. Somewhat pointless to waste time for the trolls there or get riled up over their comments.
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On May 02 2013 20:07 Ahelvin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 20:05 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 20:03 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 20:02 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 20:01 edlover420 wrote:On May 02 2013 19:57 DR.Ham wrote:On May 02 2013 19:39 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:36 nttea wrote:
Oh my god you guys are unbearable... Seriously a girl gets upset over trolls and you all get a stick up your ass over it, for every girl complaining about sexism there's like 20 dudes complaining about girls complaining over sexism. How about man up? Why is girls complaining about sexism so incredibly important an issue to you that you constantly have to point out how ridiculous you think they are? The replies to this topic so far have been pretty demoralising. Whenever a topic like this comes along I like teamliquid a little less. It's impressive to me that she has the passion for games and such that she is willing to put up with all the bullshit and still produce content. I actually watched few of her videos, since I'm totally bored right now and they are quite awful content wise, I'm pretty sure that if she were a man she wouldn't get 1/10 of the views she has now. Therefore she made her entire carrier based on her gender but don't want to deal with gender difference. That's so so hypocritical... This post is literally "yes she got a load of sexist abuse and harassment but she was asking for it by doing X which encouraged male attention". But do you disagree that women on the internet naturally get a lot more attention for a disproportionately lesser amount of effort put into whatever? Not relevant. Can you not see that he just rationalised sexist abuse because this girl asked for it by doing something other than going "please send me sexist abuse"? If so, how can you not see that? People like him are literally the problem. Stop responding to him, he is just acting like this because he is a stupid male. Male are always like that : they want to be right even if it means denying the fundamentals of what constitute reality. + Show Spoiler +How does it feel being disqualified on your gender?
Yeah man, because two wrongs make a right.
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On May 02 2013 20:10 Prevolved wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 20:07 Ahelvin wrote:On May 02 2013 20:05 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 20:03 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 20:02 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 20:01 edlover420 wrote:On May 02 2013 19:57 DR.Ham wrote:On May 02 2013 19:39 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:36 nttea wrote:
Oh my god you guys are unbearable... Seriously a girl gets upset over trolls and you all get a stick up your ass over it, for every girl complaining about sexism there's like 20 dudes complaining about girls complaining over sexism. How about man up? Why is girls complaining about sexism so incredibly important an issue to you that you constantly have to point out how ridiculous you think they are? The replies to this topic so far have been pretty demoralising. Whenever a topic like this comes along I like teamliquid a little less. It's impressive to me that she has the passion for games and such that she is willing to put up with all the bullshit and still produce content. I actually watched few of her videos, since I'm totally bored right now and they are quite awful content wise, I'm pretty sure that if she were a man she wouldn't get 1/10 of the views she has now. Therefore she made her entire carrier based on her gender but don't want to deal with gender difference. That's so so hypocritical... This post is literally "yes she got a load of sexist abuse and harassment but she was asking for it by doing X which encouraged male attention". But do you disagree that women on the internet naturally get a lot more attention for a disproportionately lesser amount of effort put into whatever? Not relevant. Can you not see that he just rationalised sexist abuse because this girl asked for it by doing something other than going "please send me sexist abuse"? If so, how can you not see that? People like him are literally the problem. Stop responding to him, he is just acting like this because he is a stupid male. Male are always like that : they want to be right even if it means denying the fundamentals of what constitute reality. + Show Spoiler +How does it feel being disqualified on your gender? Yeah man, because two wrongs make a right.
... Did you even read what I wrote previously? There, let me help you.
Wrong. Entirely wrong. Feminism is all about making people conscious of the prejudice associated with each gender (and men are also subjected to it, the proof being the existence of words such as "man up" or "get some balls" : men are always expected to act strong, tough...) in order for individuals to be more free of doing what they really want to do and being what they really want to be, independently of what the society would like them to be given their gender.
What people do not also realize is that feminism is not about THREATENING MEN. It's about asking for gender not being a valid basis for prejudice, may it be for men and women. Feminism is also realizing men do not have to "man up" all the time, and have the right to display interest in things that are not "manly". Do you feel comfortable being around jocks constantly reminding you that you are not a real man because you do not watch sports, or workout, or that videogames are for sissies? Then congratulation, you are in some way a feminist. Stop pretending these things do not exist.
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On May 02 2013 20:01 edlover420 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 19:57 DR.Ham wrote:On May 02 2013 19:39 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:36 nttea wrote:
Oh my god you guys are unbearable... Seriously a girl gets upset over trolls and you all get a stick up your ass over it, for every girl complaining about sexism there's like 20 dudes complaining about girls complaining over sexism. How about man up? Why is girls complaining about sexism so incredibly important an issue to you that you constantly have to point out how ridiculous you think they are? The replies to this topic so far have been pretty demoralising. Whenever a topic like this comes along I like teamliquid a little less. It's impressive to me that she has the passion for games and such that she is willing to put up with all the bullshit and still produce content. I actually watched few of her videos, since I'm totally bored right now and they are quite awful content wise, I'm pretty sure that if she were a man she wouldn't get 1/10 of the views she has now. Therefore she made her entire carrier based on her gender but don't want to deal with gender difference. That's so so hypocritical...
I can't tell if you're trolling or stupid, or actually think that your opinions are factually correct?
I would love for you to explain your logic about this:
1 - You don't like her videos (perfectly reasonable btw)
2 - Therefor she made her entire career because she is a woman.
Part 2 is very confusing to me...
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On May 02 2013 20:05 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 20:03 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On May 02 2013 20:02 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 20:01 edlover420 wrote:On May 02 2013 19:57 DR.Ham wrote:On May 02 2013 19:39 KwarK wrote:On May 02 2013 19:36 nttea wrote:
Oh my god you guys are unbearable... Seriously a girl gets upset over trolls and you all get a stick up your ass over it, for every girl complaining about sexism there's like 20 dudes complaining about girls complaining over sexism. How about man up? Why is girls complaining about sexism so incredibly important an issue to you that you constantly have to point out how ridiculous you think they are? The replies to this topic so far have been pretty demoralising. Whenever a topic like this comes along I like teamliquid a little less. It's impressive to me that she has the passion for games and such that she is willing to put up with all the bullshit and still produce content. I actually watched few of her videos, since I'm totally bored right now and they are quite awful content wise, I'm pretty sure that if she were a man she wouldn't get 1/10 of the views she has now. Therefore she made her entire carrier based on her gender but don't want to deal with gender difference. That's so so hypocritical... This post is literally "yes she got a load of sexist abuse and harassment but she was asking for it by doing X which encouraged male attention". But do you disagree that women on the internet naturally get a lot more attention for a disproportionately lesser amount of effort put into whatever? Not relevant. Can you not see that he just rationalised sexist abuse because this girl asked for it by doing something other than going "please send me sexist abuse"? If so, how can you not see that? People like him are literally the problem.
Just because you say it's not relevant, does not in fact mean it's not relevant. If she gets far more attention and exposure than a male counterpart while doing the same thing, in this case producing web content, it's only mathematically accurate that she will get more negative attention as well, because no matter the viewerbase there will be trolls and haters. Higher viewerbase, more of those. So she's thrown off the deep end in this sense, which is good because either she learns to deal with it more quickly than others would, or she reaches the point of "this is hurting me, I can't continue to do this" sooner.
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On May 02 2013 20:10 AngryMag wrote:
Don't know how anybody can get riled up over facebook or youtube comments... Apart from getting rid of the internet's anonymity (which won't happen and for good reasons), I don't see a quick fix. Somewhat pointless to waste time for the trolls there or get riled up over their comments.
You are assuming a narrow relevance to just internet trolls whereas the responses in this topic, such as the "she was asking for it by doing something which men see and can get their attention, even if that was not her intention" one, show that this is not a narrow issue. This is the problem.
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