EPTRepublicanism and Monarchism - Page 13
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 19 2013 23:07 naastyOne wrote: You actually missed the point about monarchs personality having much bigger varriance, did you not? I did not, I considered it to be a con of the monarchy. In the system I am describing the person selected for presidency is someone who is liked by the public and already demonstrated qualities to be a good president (ideally). In monarchy you get random genetic mix and you are stuck with it. | ||
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eeniebear
United States197 Posts
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Quincel
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 19 2013 23:41 sc2superfan101 wrote: That's a good point, but I still contend that there is some argument to be had over the long-term benefits of having a democratic Republic over a monarchy. Obviously I prefer the former, but that's more because in theory the democratic Republic can function better in the modern world. But I wonder if democratic Republics, in the long run, will turn out to actually be more beneficial to the well-being and safety of the average citizen. Considering that all first world countries that are monarchies are constitutional monarchies and in reality democracies I would say experimental data seem to suggest that for one reason or another democracies are a good choice  If you actually want to differentiate between democratic republics, democratic monarchies and parliamentary democracies I think there is not much to say as differences between them are overshadowed by other differences in justice systems, ... . One of them is probably better than the others, and my guess would be that parliamentary democracies are that one, but I think in current practice there are so many more important things that decide about well-being of a nation that this will need to be left for future generations to decide. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 20 2013 00:41 eeniebear wrote: I wish Fascism had been in existence long enough before the communists finally got their way for it to be an option in this poll. You like Fascism? | ||
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Copymizer
Denmark2108 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
Also Monaco ? I think that proves Europe is actually ruled by aristocrats and we all love it. The notion is actually funny, as Europe has extremely long history of violently disposing of aristocrats. Some countries have national identity nearly built around that. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On April 20 2013 00:42 mcc wrote: Considering that all first world countries that are monarchies are constitutional monarchies and in reality democracies I would say experimental data seem to suggest that for one reason or another democracies are a good choice If you actually want to differentiate between democratic republics, democratic monarchies and parliamentary democracies I think there is not much to say as differences between them are overshadowed by other differences in justice systems, ... . One of them is probably better than the others, and my guess would be that parliamentary republics are that one, but I think in current practice there are so many more important things that decide about well-being of a nation that this will need to be left for future generations to decide.I was more talking about actual monarchies versus practical democracies. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 20 2013 00:48 sc2superfan101 wrote: I was more talking about actual monarchies versus practical democracies. In that case you can probably theoretically argue for the virtues of monarchy, but you won't find any between first world countries. And that is in my opinion quite telling. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3818 Posts
A monarch + Prime minister is in general a lot less expensive than a president, plus they are great diplomats/representatives of the Danish people, especially in Asia were they are worth their own weight in gold in terms of branding "fairy tale" Denmark. With the current political situation in Denmark, I would rather trust our queen than any of the politicians because as we all know, all politicians are lying deceitful bastards. :D In theory our monarch has to approve/sign all laws, but in practice, everything passed in the parliament gets auto-signed. | ||
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
Stossel said it best for me regarding a monarchy: "I might not mind presidents behaving like kings -- if they at least made the tough decisions that the government needs to make..." I'd be okay with a monarch if the monarch that ruled were perfectly good. I've too much of a fear that those blessed with "royalty" could too easily gain more and more power and retain tyrannies. I've always wanted to entertain the idea of a classical republic. But for an entire nation, I don't see it working out well; it's just an idea for the small community I happen to live in. I have to stick to libertarian-conservative principles in general. Decent enough OP, by the way. I see a little too much bias, but your polls are solid and you explain your opinions to some length. | ||
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SoundProof
Sweden99 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 20 2013 01:12 SoundProof wrote: You can't really compare these things. Government types are very different country to country. Especially considering that in most countries president is just a figurehead and those "tough decisions" are done by prime ministers. | ||
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eeniebear
United States197 Posts
Yes. Hitler and Mussolini had brilliant programs that very quickly raised the standard of living, as well as the economies of their nations, to heights not thought possible, all during a worldwide depression. Talk about men who could make decisions, they were the best at it. Although once 1939 rolled around Mussolini showed how incompetent he was as a military commander. If only Oswald Mosley had managed to get it done in the UK . . . . | ||
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odeSSa
Sweden198 Posts
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Mambo
Denmark1338 Posts
On April 19 2013 05:15 Jellikit wrote: It's unjust that some people become privileged because of their parents social status Does this not happen in every country? | ||
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Mambo
Denmark1338 Posts
On April 20 2013 01:18 odeSSa wrote: I'm a swede and I support our monarchy. They don't have any real power and they represent our country well. Also I like traditions and Sweden have had a king for a long time. I see more good than harm in it. This, just in Denmark also. We have modern monarchs. | ||
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SoundProof
Sweden99 Posts
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Mambo
Denmark1338 Posts
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