EPTYou guys forget to see the world from the shoes of a policeman. Even when they are just patrolling on their cruiser or out for lunch during their breaks, policemen are in constant anxiety and pressure whenever they walk around in their uniform because they are a potential target for gang members, crazy people, etc. especially if they are part of departments that work around large cities, metropolitan areas, or low-income neighborhoods. So it's really important that you don't do anything that suggests any kind of aggressive behavior in any kind of way. If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them, they are going to be a hair away from pulling the trigger from their own guns, and they are trained over and over again to do this in order to protect themselves and the general public. So it's really cynical to assume that all policemen are out to "get" you. Most policemen are just people trying to do their job faithfully and they definitely are not interested in killing somebody at whatever chance they get. So the best thing is really (1) don't do stupid things that attract the attention of the police in the first place and (2) follow all orders from the police if you end up encountering one. It's not that hard to be a law-abiding citizen..
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white_horse
1019 Posts
You guys forget to see the world from the shoes of a policeman. Even when they are just patrolling on their cruiser or out for lunch during their breaks, policemen are in constant anxiety and pressure whenever they walk around in their uniform because they are a potential target for gang members, crazy people, etc. especially if they are part of departments that work around large cities, metropolitan areas, or low-income neighborhoods. So it's really important that you don't do anything that suggests any kind of aggressive behavior in any kind of way. If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them, they are going to be a hair away from pulling the trigger from their own guns, and they are trained over and over again to do this in order to protect themselves and the general public. So it's really cynical to assume that all policemen are out to "get" you. Most policemen are just people trying to do their job faithfully and they definitely are not interested in killing somebody at whatever chance they get. So the best thing is really (1) don't do stupid things that attract the attention of the police in the first place and (2) follow all orders from the police if you end up encountering one. It's not that hard to be a law-abiding citizen.. | ||
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TotalBalanceSC2
Canada475 Posts
On February 18 2013 02:10 white_horse wrote: When someone says "fuck the police" or a variation of it, I imagine an angst-ridden, bleeding-heart anarchist/communist/marxist, emo teenager. If you're going to make a conclusion just by watching the video and blaming all the fault on the evil cop for gunning down an innocent person running away, you couldn't have a more elementary level of thought. You guys forget to see the world from the shoes of a policeman. Even when they are just patrolling on their cruiser or out for lunch during their breaks, policemen are in constant anxiety and pressure whenever they walk around in their uniform because they are a potential target for gang members, crazy people, etc. especially if they are part of departments that work around large cities, metropolitan areas, or low-income neighborhoods. So it's really important that you don't do anything that suggests any kind of aggressive behavior in any kind of way. If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them, they are going to be a hair away from pulling the trigger from their own guns. It's really cynical to assume that all policemen are out to "get" you. They are only trying to do their job. So the best thing is really (1) don't do stupid things that attract the attention of the police in the first place and (2) follow all orders from the police if you end up encountering one. It's not that hard to be a law-abiding citizen.. And here I was thinking a police member is supposed to give up his own life in defense of the law if necessary. You are not supposed to shoot at them with the intent to kill unless they have already tried to kill you. Better to be a dead police officer and not have broke the law than be a living one who shot an innocent thinking he was a threat. | ||
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TerribleNoobling
Azerbaijan179 Posts
If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them, they are going to be a hair away from pulling the trigger from their own guns, and they are trained over and over again to do this in order to protect themselves and the general public Then you say this So it's really cynical to assume that all policemen are out to "get" you. Seems like the first statement seems to contradict the second. Are cops psychopaths who can kill me at a moments notice, a hair trigger away from executing me, or is it cynical to believe these guys are out to get me? | ||
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TerribleNoobling
Azerbaijan179 Posts
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white_horse
1019 Posts
On February 18 2013 02:17 TerribleNoobling wrote: First you say this Then you say this Seems like the first statement seems to contradict the second. Are cops psychopaths who can kill me at a moments notice, a hair trigger away from executing me, or is it cynical to believe these guys are out to get me? You are misinterpreting what I wrote. Read the beginning of the sentence: "If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them". If you aren't doing anything that is causing trouble in the public or doing something overtly suspicious, then why would they come after you with a gun raised? I don't know why some people choose to carry an automatically negative attitude towards the police. If you don't do stupid things (ie drinking underage and then having the nerve to walk around half-drunk in the public, carrying a gun, ignoring orders from a policeman, etc) the police aren't going to come over and shoot you while you are walking down the street. If you're going to drink illegally, at least do it at home so nobody catches you or stay inside until you are a little sober before you go out. | ||
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TotalBalanceSC2
Canada475 Posts
On February 18 2013 02:22 white_horse wrote: You are misinterpreting what I wrote. Read the beginning of the sentence: "If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them". If you aren't doing anything that is causing trouble in the public or doing something overtly suspicious, then why would they come after you with a gun raised? Carrying an automatically negative attitude towards the police means that you're only going to do stupid things when a real situation involving the police happens. They shouldn't kill on suspicion, unless you have actually made an attempt on their life they should have no justification for shooting at you. | ||
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almart
United States114 Posts
On February 18 2013 02:10 white_horse wrote: When someone says "fuck the police" or a variation of it, I imagine an angst-ridden, bleeding-heart anarchist/communist/marxist, emo teenager. Nice way of attacking other people's opinions to promote your own in ways that is similar to demonizing. | ||
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TerribleNoobling
Azerbaijan179 Posts
If you aren't doing anything that is causing trouble in the public or doing something overtly suspicious, then why would they come after you with a gun raised? Because it makes them feel powerful? Because they can? If Jonathan Cuevas pulled a gun, then why didn't the cop try to take cover? We would see in the video his body mechanics changing. You can't run straight ahead full speed and pull a gun and aim it at someone behind you. | ||
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
On February 18 2013 02:10 white_horse wrote: When someone says "fuck the police" or a variation of it, I imagine an angst-ridden, bleeding-heart anarchist/communist/marxist, emo teenager. If you're going to make a conclusion just by watching the video and blaming all the fault on the evil cop for gunning down an innocent person running away, you couldn't have a more elementary level of thought. You guys forget to see the world from the shoes of a policeman. Even when they are just patrolling on their cruiser or out for lunch during their breaks, policemen are in constant anxiety and pressure whenever they walk around in their uniform because they are a potential target for gang members, crazy people, etc. especially if they are part of departments that work around large cities, metropolitan areas, or low-income neighborhoods. So it's really important that you don't do anything that suggests any kind of aggressive behavior in any kind of way. If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them, they are going to be a hair away from pulling the trigger from their own guns, and they are trained over and over again to do this in order to protect themselves and the general public. So it's really cynical to assume that all policemen are out to "get" you. Most policemen are just people trying to do their job faithfully and they definitely are not interested in killing somebody at whatever chance they get. So the best thing is really (1) don't do stupid things that attract the attention of the police in the first place and (2) follow all orders from the police if you end up encountering one. It's not that hard to be a law-abiding citizen.. I'm pushing 30, and I still say 'fuck the police' as a general rule. Some are great, most are fine, and some are malevolent assholes who take pleasure in causing others pain. Just like any normal sample of people, except here the assholes carry guns and have their aggression sanctioned by the state. I don't know what happened in this case, but it looks bad when a cop is pumping rounds into a drunk kid while he is face down on the pavement. Not to demonize all cops, but to blindly trust them, all the time, is stupid. Especially if you're a minority in LA. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On February 18 2013 02:17 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote: And here I was thinking a police member is supposed to give up his own life in defense of the law if necessary. You are not supposed to shoot at them with the intent to kill unless they have already tried to kill you. Better to be a dead police officer and not have broke the law than be a living one who shot an innocent thinking he was a threat. Hell no, everyone for themselves. Nobody in this time in usa will ever die for an idea, not for justice, not for righteousness, and especially not for law. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2544 Posts
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TirramirooO
Portugal102 Posts
What did you didnt undestant about the video? | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On February 18 2013 02:38 Hyperbola wrote: Thing is, cops have to react fast. If you tell cops that they will be prosecuted for shooting a man with a gun then you are making them panic and putting lives in danger. This cop did shoot a few too many but I don't think he should be suspended for doing his job. Dude. The cop shot the guy 6 times and he was down. The cop then walks up probably 3-4 meters and shoots him twice in the head. Are you out of your mind? Don't think he should be suspended? He should be on trial for murder. | ||
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TirramirooO
Portugal102 Posts
On February 18 2013 02:38 Hyperbola wrote: Thing is, cops have to react fast. If you tell cops that they will be prosecuted for shooting a man with a gun then you are making them panic and putting lives in danger. This cop did shoot a few too many but I don't think he should be suspended for doing his job. Another one :\ oh god please start the armagedon already I gonna explain you something... The guy was on the ground and the policeman walks towards him and shoot him while the guy was on the ground with 3 bullets in his BODY.. Did you understand?? | ||
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Reedjr
United States228 Posts
On February 18 2013 02:41 PanN wrote: Dude. The cop shot the guy 6 times and he was down. The cop then walks up probably 3-4 meters and shoots him twice in the head. Are you out of your mind? Don't think he should be suspended? He should be on trial for murder. You literally doubled the number of gunshot wounds mentioned in the autopsy. At no point was he ever shot in the head. Look at the facts next time. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On February 18 2013 02:43 TirramirooO wrote: Another one :\ oh god please start the armagedon already I gonna explain you something... The guy was on the ground and the policeman walks towards him and shoot him while the guy was on the ground with 3 bullets in his BODY.. Did you understand?? When you shoot, you shoot to kill. Whether he was shot once, ten times, a hundred times, the intention of police drawing a weapon is the same. | ||
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TirramirooO
Portugal102 Posts
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
Go back and read page 4 and 5. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On February 18 2013 02:45 Reedjr wrote: You literally doubled the number of gunshot wounds mentioned in the autopsy. At no point was he ever shot in the head. Look at the facts next time. I'm going off what I heard yesterday. How about you relax a little buddy? Does this take anything away from the fact that the cop runs up 3-4 meters and shoots the guy again? Nope! Btw jerk face. This is in the youtube video linked in the main page of the thread. "Cop shoots man 6 times in the back. The man collapses on the sidewalk and the cop walks up and fires one more kill shot. Then another 2 kill shots." So according to the evidence I was presented with, I actually forgot to mention a shot.  | ||
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
This doesn't add up. The officer claims the kid fired at him before running, and while running. He then later claims that he shot him on the ground because he was reaching for his gun in his waistband. That would mean that this kid, after running and being shot 3 times, placed his gun back into his waistband before collapsing on his stomach. I definitely don't believe that. | ||
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