• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:02
CEST 18:02
KST 01:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall12HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll2Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension1Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles7
StarCraft 2
General
Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone [Guide] MyStarcraft [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall
Tourneys
CSL Xiamen International Invitational [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2025 ACS Season 2 Qualifier
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2025! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Men Take Risks, Women Win Ga…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 634 users

LA Sheriff Deputy cleared of wrongdoing - Page 6

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 12 Next All
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 17:15:39
February 17 2013 17:10 GMT
#101
When someone says "fuck the police" or a variation of it, I imagine an angst-ridden, bleeding-heart anarchist/communist/marxist, emo teenager. If you're going to make a conclusion just by watching the video and blaming all the fault on the evil cop for gunning down an innocent person running away, you couldn't have a more elementary level of thought.

You guys forget to see the world from the shoes of a policeman. Even when they are just patrolling on their cruiser or out for lunch during their breaks, policemen are in constant anxiety and pressure whenever they walk around in their uniform because they are a potential target for gang members, crazy people, etc. especially if they are part of departments that work around large cities, metropolitan areas, or low-income neighborhoods. So it's really important that you don't do anything that suggests any kind of aggressive behavior in any kind of way. If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them, they are going to be a hair away from pulling the trigger from their own guns, and they are trained over and over again to do this in order to protect themselves and the general public. So it's really cynical to assume that all policemen are out to "get" you. Most policemen are just people trying to do their job faithfully and they definitely are not interested in killing somebody at whatever chance they get. So the best thing is really (1) don't do stupid things that attract the attention of the police in the first place and (2) follow all orders from the police if you end up encountering one. It's not that hard to be a law-abiding citizen..
Translator
TotalBalanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada475 Posts
February 17 2013 17:17 GMT
#102
On February 18 2013 02:10 white_horse wrote:
When someone says "fuck the police" or a variation of it, I imagine an angst-ridden, bleeding-heart anarchist/communist/marxist, emo teenager. If you're going to make a conclusion just by watching the video and blaming all the fault on the evil cop for gunning down an innocent person running away, you couldn't have a more elementary level of thought.

You guys forget to see the world from the shoes of a policeman. Even when they are just patrolling on their cruiser or out for lunch during their breaks, policemen are in constant anxiety and pressure whenever they walk around in their uniform because they are a potential target for gang members, crazy people, etc. especially if they are part of departments that work around large cities, metropolitan areas, or low-income neighborhoods. So it's really important that you don't do anything that suggests any kind of aggressive behavior in any kind of way. If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them, they are going to be a hair away from pulling the trigger from their own guns. It's really cynical to assume that all policemen are out to "get" you. They are only trying to do their job. So the best thing is really (1) don't do stupid things that attract the attention of the police in the first place and (2) follow all orders from the police if you end up encountering one. It's not that hard to be a law-abiding citizen..


And here I was thinking a police member is supposed to give up his own life in defense of the law if necessary. You are not supposed to shoot at them with the intent to kill unless they have already tried to kill you. Better to be a dead police officer and not have broke the law than be a living one who shot an innocent thinking he was a threat.
TerribleNoobling
Profile Joined July 2010
Azerbaijan179 Posts
February 17 2013 17:17 GMT
#103
First you say this
If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them, they are going to be a hair away from pulling the trigger from their own guns, and they are trained over and over again to do this in order to protect themselves and the general public

Then you say this

So it's really cynical to assume that all policemen are out to "get" you.


Seems like the first statement seems to contradict the second. Are cops psychopaths who can kill me at a moments notice, a hair trigger away from executing me, or is it cynical to believe these guys are out to get me?
TerribleNoobling
Profile Joined July 2010
Azerbaijan179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 17:19:50
February 17 2013 17:19 GMT
#104
Is suspicion that someone could hurt you really justification to end someone's life? Or is it only justification for a cop, but not for me?
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 17:26:47
February 17 2013 17:22 GMT
#105
On February 18 2013 02:17 TerribleNoobling wrote:
First you say this
Show nested quote +
If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them, they are going to be a hair away from pulling the trigger from their own guns, and they are trained over and over again to do this in order to protect themselves and the general public

Then you say this
Show nested quote +

So it's really cynical to assume that all policemen are out to "get" you.


Seems like the first statement seems to contradict the second. Are cops psychopaths who can kill me at a moments notice, a hair trigger away from executing me, or is it cynical to believe these guys are out to get me?


You are misinterpreting what I wrote. Read the beginning of the sentence: "If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them". If you aren't doing anything that is causing trouble in the public or doing something overtly suspicious, then why would they come after you with a gun raised? I don't know why some people choose to carry an automatically negative attitude towards the police. If you don't do stupid things (ie drinking underage and then having the nerve to walk around half-drunk in the public, carrying a gun, ignoring orders from a policeman, etc) the police aren't going to come over and shoot you while you are walking down the street. If you're going to drink illegally, at least do it at home so nobody catches you or stay inside until you are a little sober before you go out.
Translator
TotalBalanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada475 Posts
February 17 2013 17:26 GMT
#106
On February 18 2013 02:22 white_horse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 02:17 TerribleNoobling wrote:
First you say this
If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them, they are going to be a hair away from pulling the trigger from their own guns, and they are trained over and over again to do this in order to protect themselves and the general public

Then you say this

So it's really cynical to assume that all policemen are out to "get" you.


Seems like the first statement seems to contradict the second. Are cops psychopaths who can kill me at a moments notice, a hair trigger away from executing me, or is it cynical to believe these guys are out to get me?


You are misinterpreting what I wrote. Read the beginning of the sentence: "If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them". If you aren't doing anything that is causing trouble in the public or doing something overtly suspicious, then why would they come after you with a gun raised? Carrying an automatically negative attitude towards the police means that you're only going to do stupid things when a real situation involving the police happens.


They shouldn't kill on suspicion, unless you have actually made an attempt on their life they should have no justification for shooting at you.
almart
Profile Joined November 2011
United States114 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 17:28:10
February 17 2013 17:27 GMT
#107
On February 18 2013 02:10 white_horse wrote:
When someone says "fuck the police" or a variation of it, I imagine an angst-ridden, bleeding-heart anarchist/communist/marxist, emo teenager.

Nice way of attacking other people's opinions to promote your own in ways that is similar to demonizing.
“To go wrong in one's own way is better then to go right in someone else's” -Fyodor Dostoyevsky
TerribleNoobling
Profile Joined July 2010
Azerbaijan179 Posts
February 17 2013 17:28 GMT
#108
If you aren't doing anything that is causing trouble in the public or doing something overtly suspicious, then why would they come after you with a gun raised?


Because it makes them feel powerful? Because they can? If Jonathan Cuevas pulled a gun, then why didn't the cop try to take cover? We would see in the video his body mechanics changing. You can't run straight ahead full speed and pull a gun and aim it at someone behind you.
mynameisgreat11
Profile Joined February 2012
599 Posts
February 17 2013 17:31 GMT
#109
On February 18 2013 02:10 white_horse wrote:
When someone says "fuck the police" or a variation of it, I imagine an angst-ridden, bleeding-heart anarchist/communist/marxist, emo teenager. If you're going to make a conclusion just by watching the video and blaming all the fault on the evil cop for gunning down an innocent person running away, you couldn't have a more elementary level of thought.

You guys forget to see the world from the shoes of a policeman. Even when they are just patrolling on their cruiser or out for lunch during their breaks, policemen are in constant anxiety and pressure whenever they walk around in their uniform because they are a potential target for gang members, crazy people, etc. especially if they are part of departments that work around large cities, metropolitan areas, or low-income neighborhoods. So it's really important that you don't do anything that suggests any kind of aggressive behavior in any kind of way. If they have any reason to suspect that you could hurt or kill them, they are going to be a hair away from pulling the trigger from their own guns, and they are trained over and over again to do this in order to protect themselves and the general public. So it's really cynical to assume that all policemen are out to "get" you. Most policemen are just people trying to do their job faithfully and they definitely are not interested in killing somebody at whatever chance they get. So the best thing is really (1) don't do stupid things that attract the attention of the police in the first place and (2) follow all orders from the police if you end up encountering one. It's not that hard to be a law-abiding citizen..


I'm pushing 30, and I still say 'fuck the police' as a general rule. Some are great, most are fine, and some are malevolent assholes who take pleasure in causing others pain. Just like any normal sample of people, except here the assholes carry guns and have their aggression sanctioned by the state.

I don't know what happened in this case, but it looks bad when a cop is pumping rounds into a drunk kid while he is face down on the pavement.

Not to demonize all cops, but to blindly trust them, all the time, is stupid. Especially if you're a minority in LA.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
February 17 2013 17:32 GMT
#110
On February 18 2013 02:17 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:

And here I was thinking a police member is supposed to give up his own life in defense of the law if necessary. You are not supposed to shoot at them with the intent to kill unless they have already tried to kill you. Better to be a dead police officer and not have broke the law than be a living one who shot an innocent thinking he was a threat.


Hell no, everyone for themselves. Nobody in this time in usa will ever die for an idea, not for justice, not for righteousness, and especially not for law.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2537 Posts
February 17 2013 17:38 GMT
#111
Thing is, cops have to react fast. If you tell cops that they will be prosecuted for shooting a man with a gun then you are making them panic and putting lives in danger. This cop did shoot a few too many but I don't think he should be suspended for doing his job.
####
TirramirooO
Profile Joined May 2012
Portugal102 Posts
February 17 2013 17:41 GMT
#112
White-horse THE POLICEMAN SHOOT a person IN THE BACK who was WALKING ON THE STREET.. Then he gets right beside HIM AND SHOOT HIM AGAIN.

What did you didnt undestant about the video?
Live fast, die young and leave a good looking corpse !
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
February 17 2013 17:41 GMT
#113
On February 18 2013 02:38 Hyperbola wrote:
Thing is, cops have to react fast. If you tell cops that they will be prosecuted for shooting a man with a gun then you are making them panic and putting lives in danger. This cop did shoot a few too many but I don't think he should be suspended for doing his job.


Dude. The cop shot the guy 6 times and he was down. The cop then walks up probably 3-4 meters and shoots him twice in the head.

Are you out of your mind? Don't think he should be suspended? He should be on trial for murder.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
TirramirooO
Profile Joined May 2012
Portugal102 Posts
February 17 2013 17:43 GMT
#114
On February 18 2013 02:38 Hyperbola wrote:
Thing is, cops have to react fast. If you tell cops that they will be prosecuted for shooting a man with a gun then you are making them panic and putting lives in danger. This cop did shoot a few too many but I don't think he should be suspended for doing his job.


Another one :\ oh god please start the armagedon already

I gonna explain you something... The guy was on the ground and the policeman walks towards him and shoot him while the guy was on the ground with 3 bullets in his BODY..

Did you understand??
Live fast, die young and leave a good looking corpse !
Reedjr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States228 Posts
February 17 2013 17:45 GMT
#115
On February 18 2013 02:41 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 02:38 Hyperbola wrote:
Thing is, cops have to react fast. If you tell cops that they will be prosecuted for shooting a man with a gun then you are making them panic and putting lives in danger. This cop did shoot a few too many but I don't think he should be suspended for doing his job.


Dude. The cop shot the guy 6 times and he was down. The cop then walks up probably 3-4 meters and shoots him twice in the head.

Are you out of your mind? Don't think he should be suspended? He should be on trial for murder.

You literally doubled the number of gunshot wounds mentioned in the autopsy. At no point was he ever shot in the head. Look at the facts next time.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
February 17 2013 17:46 GMT
#116
On February 18 2013 02:43 TirramirooO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 02:38 Hyperbola wrote:
Thing is, cops have to react fast. If you tell cops that they will be prosecuted for shooting a man with a gun then you are making them panic and putting lives in danger. This cop did shoot a few too many but I don't think he should be suspended for doing his job.


Another one :\ oh god please start the armagedon already

I gonna explain you something... The guy was on the ground and the policeman walks towards him and shoot him while the guy was on the ground with 3 bullets in his BODY..

Did you understand??

When you shoot, you shoot to kill. Whether he was shot once, ten times, a hundred times, the intention of police drawing a weapon is the same.
TirramirooO
Profile Joined May 2012
Portugal102 Posts
February 17 2013 17:46 GMT
#117
Reedjr THATS NOT THE POINT. What are you talking about?
Live fast, die young and leave a good looking corpse !
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 17:47:24
February 17 2013 17:47 GMT
#118
Guys, the "random passerby" was a gang member who pulled a loaded gun. It's in the eyewitness statements.

Go back and read page 4 and 5.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 17:48:52
February 17 2013 17:47 GMT
#119
On February 18 2013 02:45 Reedjr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 02:41 PanN wrote:
On February 18 2013 02:38 Hyperbola wrote:
Thing is, cops have to react fast. If you tell cops that they will be prosecuted for shooting a man with a gun then you are making them panic and putting lives in danger. This cop did shoot a few too many but I don't think he should be suspended for doing his job.


Dude. The cop shot the guy 6 times and he was down. The cop then walks up probably 3-4 meters and shoots him twice in the head.

Are you out of your mind? Don't think he should be suspended? He should be on trial for murder.

You literally doubled the number of gunshot wounds mentioned in the autopsy. At no point was he ever shot in the head. Look at the facts next time.


I'm going off what I heard yesterday. How about you relax a little buddy? Does this take anything away from the fact that the cop runs up 3-4 meters and shoots the guy again? Nope!

Btw jerk face. This is in the youtube video linked in the main page of the thread.

"Cop shoots man 6 times in the back. The man collapses on the sidewalk and the cop walks up and fires one more kill shot. Then another 2 kill shots."

So according to the evidence I was presented with, I actually forgot to mention a shot.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
mynameisgreat11
Profile Joined February 2012
599 Posts
February 17 2013 17:48 GMT
#120
According to the link in the OP, the reason the kid was shot while he was down was because he was laying on his stomach, writhing around (he had been shot 3 times at this point), and cursing the officer. The officer told him to 'let me see your hands', and shot him again when he failed to comply, fearing that he was reaching for his gun in his waistband.

This doesn't add up. The officer claims the kid fired at him before running, and while running. He then later claims that he shot him on the ground because he was reaching for his gun in his waistband. That would mean that this kid, after running and being shot 3 times, placed his gun back into his waistband before collapsing on his stomach. I definitely don't believe that.
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 12 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RotterdaM Event
16:00
Rotti Stream Rumble 5k Edition
RotterdaM153
Liquipedia
Wardi Open
11:00
#44
WardiTV1975
OGKoka 1215
CranKy Ducklings149
Rex126
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 1215
RotterdaM 153
Rex 126
StarCraft: Brood War
Larva 6652
Sea 1276
EffOrt 1204
firebathero 1048
Mini 735
zelot 677
Stork 620
PianO 283
Mind 158
Zeus 88
[ Show more ]
ToSsGirL 87
Movie 78
Barracks 75
sorry 49
Shinee 46
sSak 43
sas.Sziky 40
Rock 36
yabsab 29
Terrorterran 27
soO 23
Shine 17
IntoTheRainbow 13
NaDa 10
Bale 7
Dota 2
qojqva3520
syndereN565
League of Legends
Dendi1726
febbydoto15
Counter-Strike
flusha439
oskar311
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King136
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor216
Other Games
singsing2715
hiko1376
Fuzer 754
Beastyqt604
crisheroes445
Lowko305
XcaliburYe172
Liquid`VortiX160
Hui .157
KnowMe140
ArmadaUGS121
QueenE54
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick5274
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 6
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3720
League of Legends
• Nemesis6578
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
7h 58m
Replay Cast
17h 58m
WardiTV European League
23h 58m
ShoWTimE vs sebesdes
Percival vs NightPhoenix
Shameless vs Nicoract
Krystianer vs Scarlett
ByuN vs uThermal
Harstem vs HeRoMaRinE
PiGosaur Monday
1d 7h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
[ Show More ]
Epic.LAN
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
5 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Online Event
5 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
6 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Liquipedia Results

Completed

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters

Upcoming

CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
K-Championship
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.