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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8081 Posts
July 03 2017 14:42 GMT
#159801
On July 03 2017 23:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/03/french-nationalist-charged-plot-kill-president-emmanuel-macron/

Show nested quote +
AFrench "nationalist" has been arrested and charged over an alleged plan to kill President Emmanuel Macron on Bastille Day when he is due to oversee a military parade with US counterpart Donald Trump.

The unemployed 23-year old from the Paris suburb of Argenteui was seized after expressing an interest in acquiring a real machine gun in a video game chatroom, according to RMC radio. He threatened police with a kitchen knife during the arrest. Officers found three knives in his car, the radio reported.

His computer contained a search history of potential targets.


Has nothing to do with US Politics, but how would the donald react if this were to actually have happened. It's definitely a pressing issue when "Nationalist" are turning into " home grown terrorist"...

Still don't get why Macron invited Trump though. That's simply bizarre and very costly politically at that point.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 03 2017 14:52 GMT
#159802
Steve Bannon is causing a stir inside the administration by pushing an idea that's anathema to most Republicans: raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans to pay for steep middle and working-class tax cuts. (Some officials who've heard Bannon's idea think it's crazy, but the President's chief strategist believes it's a potent populist idea.)
Bannon has told colleagues he wants the top income tax bracket to "have a 4 in front of it." (The top bracket is currently 39.6% for Americans who earn more than $418,400.)
It's classic Bannon – pushing a maximalist position that's reviled by the Republican establishment.
https://www.axios.com/scoop-bannon-pushes-tax-hike-for-wealthy-2452197801.html

That's the most interesting part of the story, later it talks about the Trump admin wanting to ash corporate tax rates to 15%.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
July 03 2017 15:12 GMT
#159803
Thw wording really needs some work, lol.

A typical maximalist position when he wants a 4 in front of it instead of the current 39.6 :D

Next headline: Huge price spike at McDonalds. Hamburger now 1$ instead of 0.99$
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
July 03 2017 15:15 GMT
#159804
On July 04 2017 00:12 mahrgell wrote:
Thw wording really needs some work, lol.

A typical maximalist position when he wants a 4 in front of it instead of the current 39.6 :D

Next headline: Huge price spike at McDonalds. Hamburger now 1$ instead of 0.99$



I read it as swap the 3 for the 4, so 39% becomes 49%...but that is just my fools dream
Something witty
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 03 2017 15:16 GMT
#159805
The entire idea of the "dollar menu" has been hard to reconcile with inflation. Shit's been happening for a while.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8081 Posts
July 03 2017 15:20 GMT
#159806
On July 04 2017 00:12 mahrgell wrote:
Thw wording really needs some work, lol.

A typical maximalist position when he wants a 4 in front of it instead of the current 39.6 :D

Next headline: Huge price spike at McDonalds. Hamburger now 1$ instead of 0.99$

40% is pretty damn low for top bracket anyway.

Never thought I would agree with Bannon. It feels weird.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45925 Posts
July 03 2017 15:21 GMT
#159807
On July 04 2017 00:15 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2017 00:12 mahrgell wrote:
Thw wording really needs some work, lol.

A typical maximalist position when he wants a 4 in front of it instead of the current 39.6 :D

Next headline: Huge price spike at McDonalds. Hamburger now 1$ instead of 0.99$



I read it as swap the 3 for the 4, so 39% becomes 49%...but that is just my fools dream


And I read it as 439.6%
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 03 2017 16:14 GMT
#159808
On July 03 2017 23:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/03/french-nationalist-charged-plot-kill-president-emmanuel-macron/

Show nested quote +
AFrench "nationalist" has been arrested and charged over an alleged plan to kill President Emmanuel Macron on Bastille Day when he is due to oversee a military parade with US counterpart Donald Trump.

The unemployed 23-year old from the Paris suburb of Argenteui was seized after expressing an interest in acquiring a real machine gun in a video game chatroom, according to RMC radio. He threatened police with a kitchen knife during the arrest. Officers found three knives in his car, the radio reported.

His computer contained a search history of potential targets.


Has nothing to do with US Politics, but how would the donald react if this were to actually have happened. It's definitely a pressing issue when "Nationalist" are turning into " home grown terrorist"...

Did you forget his reaction when a home grown leftie terrorist shot one of his party's legislative leadership? It was downright presidential, as rare as that is for Trump.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 03 2017 16:28 GMT
#159809
On July 03 2017 05:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
that wrestling tweet is actually funny. does not encourage violence. showcases that you do indeed have a president who should be a WWF heel rather than president, which is disgraceful on its own, but this particular tweet is just funny, imo.

And it also reminds me of the funniest article I read all weekend.
Appalachian Wrestling's Greatest Villain: 'The Progressive Liberal'

Would donate a significant portion of my personal net worth to watch Trump get hit by The Liberal Agenda..

Thanks for the sanity break. It's straight up funny, as opposed to some call to violence. You can call it painful in the larger context since if follows so soon after his idiotic 'Morning Joe' rant. Like I was reading earlier, the operative term is symbiosis. Trump does his shit, media does the same back, everybody gets better ratings, both bases cheer.

I don't know if he got lucky directing his narcissism cannon at truly vile characters, or his history in reality TV/personal contacts just taught him how reviled the political journalism class is to the right in America.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
July 03 2017 16:35 GMT
#159810
The tweet is not funny. Its sad that a president of the united states thinks its something he should tweet. CNN is probably laughing all the way to the bank since Trump is making them rich,
Never Knows Best.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-03 16:39:24
July 03 2017 16:39 GMT
#159811
its funny in like a bizarro world way but not presidential in the least. so given the context, i don't find it particularly funny.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10884 Posts
July 03 2017 16:40 GMT
#159812
And iirc that gif was pretty hold? I atleast remember similar ones.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 03 2017 16:43 GMT
#159813
On July 04 2017 01:35 Slaughter wrote:
The tweet is not funny. Its sad that a president of the united states thinks its something he should tweet. CNN is probably laughing all the way to the bank since Trump is making them rich,

Symbiosis. Everybody profits. It is easy to spot how CNN profits. It is more difficult for this thread's liberals to spot how Trump profits. The American voter is reminded about how bankrupt these "Trump encourages violence" tirades really are. It elevates WWE pro wrestling to actual threats. It's fucking hilarious, and I say this even in front of the backdrop of all his stupid tweets and what an overall failure his presidency will likely be. Didn't you see StealthBlue linking tweets examining the meme poster's other submissions, like we're supposed to tar Trump by his association with a memer? It's obvious how Trump profits and yet people still manage to miss it.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-03 16:50:04
July 03 2017 16:49 GMT
#159814
On July 04 2017 01:43 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2017 01:35 Slaughter wrote:
The tweet is not funny. Its sad that a president of the united states thinks its something he should tweet. CNN is probably laughing all the way to the bank since Trump is making them rich,

Symbiosis. Everybody profits. It is easy to spot how CNN profits. It is more difficult for this thread's liberals to spot how Trump profits. The American voter is reminded about how bankrupt these "Trump encourages violence" tirades really are. It elevates WWE pro wrestling to actual threats. It's fucking hilarious, and I say this even in front of the backdrop of all his stupid tweets and what an overall failure his presidency will likely be. Didn't you see StealthBlue linking tweets examining the meme poster's other submissions, like we're supposed to tar Trump by his association with a memer? It's obvious how Trump profits and yet people still manage to miss it.


Trump profits by....still being a hero to his base? No one else really likes his stupid twitter antics. But hey I guess that is all he has got since his presidency seems to be Lame Duck since day 1, but hey he sure can give it to the media and the left! So sure let his 30ish% fanboy base continue to get high off Trump memes while the Trump loses everyone else and his agenda goes no where. Added bonus: his stupidity is even disrupting the already fragile congressional GOP agenda too. So yay for the left I guess, they don't even need to obstruct.
Never Knows Best.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22369 Posts
July 03 2017 16:51 GMT
#159815
On July 04 2017 01:49 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2017 01:43 Danglars wrote:
On July 04 2017 01:35 Slaughter wrote:
The tweet is not funny. Its sad that a president of the united states thinks its something he should tweet. CNN is probably laughing all the way to the bank since Trump is making them rich,

Symbiosis. Everybody profits. It is easy to spot how CNN profits. It is more difficult for this thread's liberals to spot how Trump profits. The American voter is reminded about how bankrupt these "Trump encourages violence" tirades really are. It elevates WWE pro wrestling to actual threats. It's fucking hilarious, and I say this even in front of the backdrop of all his stupid tweets and what an overall failure his presidency will likely be. Didn't you see StealthBlue linking tweets examining the meme poster's other submissions, like we're supposed to tar Trump by his association with a memer? It's obvious how Trump profits and yet people still manage to miss it.


Trump profits by....still being a hero to his base? No one else really likes his stupid twitter antics. But hey I guess that is all he has got since his presidency seems to be Lame Duck since day 1, but hey he sure can give it to the media and the left! So sure let his 30ish% fanboy base continue to get high off Trump memes while the Trump loses everyone else and his agenda goes no where. Added bonus: his stupidity is even disrupting the already fragile congressional GOP agenda too. So yay for the left I guess, they don't even need to obstruct.

Trump profits by enriching himself at the cost of the dignity of the office of the President and the USA's standing in the world.
He profits by lining his own pockets but to be able to do so he needs to stay in power. He does that by being a hero to his base which is a significant part of the Republican party.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-03 17:05:14
July 03 2017 17:02 GMT
#159816
I'm part of another forum. a bodybuilding forum which i regularly visit to get advice on lifting etc, there is a miscellaneous section which i sometimes take a look at, its like the right wing version of TL maybe a bit more extreme and is mainly made up of American conservatives, obviously a hell of a lot of Trump supporters and everytime Trump tweets his usual stuff the more they support him, its like he can do no wrong in their eyes, of course the same goes for pretty much any politician and their support base but Trump is particularly interesting as he basicly memed his way to presidency, and the more dumb stuff he does the more of their support he gets, its insane.

I don't believe that the meme advocated violence but it does show just how so many people are past the point of no return, where people not only accept this kind of behaviour from their country's leaders but also support it. I blame the current toxic political climate.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 03 2017 17:05 GMT
#159817
On July 04 2017 01:49 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2017 01:43 Danglars wrote:
On July 04 2017 01:35 Slaughter wrote:
The tweet is not funny. Its sad that a president of the united states thinks its something he should tweet. CNN is probably laughing all the way to the bank since Trump is making them rich,

Symbiosis. Everybody profits. It is easy to spot how CNN profits. It is more difficult for this thread's liberals to spot how Trump profits. The American voter is reminded about how bankrupt these "Trump encourages violence" tirades really are. It elevates WWE pro wrestling to actual threats. It's fucking hilarious, and I say this even in front of the backdrop of all his stupid tweets and what an overall failure his presidency will likely be. Didn't you see StealthBlue linking tweets examining the meme poster's other submissions, like we're supposed to tar Trump by his association with a memer? It's obvious how Trump profits and yet people still manage to miss it.


Trump profits by....still being a hero to his base? No one else really likes his stupid twitter antics. But hey I guess that is all he has got since his presidency seems to be Lame Duck since day 1, but hey he sure can give it to the media and the left! So sure let his 30ish% fanboy base continue to get high off Trump memes while the Trump loses everyone else and his agenda goes no where. Added bonus: his stupidity is even disrupting the already fragile congressional GOP agenda too. So yay for the left I guess, they don't even need to obstruct.

Nice deflection. I mean if you don't read and learn, you'll be left with "... this?" I explain, you dot dot dot question mark. Very effective.

Let's see, the strategy seems to be behaving like a total fool in your manner of attacking him, and reminding people that the other side is stupid as hell. Incredibly effective. You want to leave people without good choices, you elect another Trump. If you want to yourself learn, read my examples, and cease only deflecting too "But his legislative agenda!" "But the congressional GOP agenda!" Newsflash: we already know his agenda is shot to hell. All that remains is behaving like clowns to remind others you are just as bad.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-03 17:09:57
July 03 2017 17:05 GMT
#159818
On July 04 2017 02:02 Reaps wrote:
I'm part of another forum. a bodybuilding forum which i regularly visit to get advice on lifting etc, there is a miscellaneous section which i sometimes take a look at, its like the right wing version of TL maybe a bit more extreme and is mainly made up of American conservatives, obviously a hell of a lot of Trump supporters and everytime Trump tweets his usual stuff the more they support him, its like he can do no wrong in their eyes, of course the same goes for pretty much any politician and their support base but Trump is particularly interesting as he basicly memed his way to presidency, and the more dumb stuff he does the more of their support he gets, its insane.

I don't believe that the meme advocated violence but it does show just how so many people are past the point of no return. I blame the current toxic political climate.

toxic political climate certainly doesn't help; especially the people who intentionally made it toxic for their own benefit.
as churchill (or wohever said) "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

so many people are unable to recognize the quality of various choices and alternatives. danglars is a good exemplar of that.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10884 Posts
July 03 2017 17:07 GMT
#159819
Insert stereotype about the iq of bodybuilders here
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9641 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-03 17:30:57
July 03 2017 17:13 GMT
#159820
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