EPTReddit forum "Creepshots" shut down - Page 2
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
Seriously though, the internet has always been a creepy place. While this is a site I'd never go to, people need to educate themselves on shit like 4chan and their worship of Boxy from a few years ago. The type of crazy that the Internet is capable of goes well beyond some creepy photos. People need to gain some perspective. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending this creeptastic behavior. I would never do anything like this, and if one of my friends posted to a subReddit like that, I'd make sure he knew exactly how fucking creepy of a human being he was. Alls I'm saying is that there are much creepier people for that Predditor woman to be going after. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On October 12 2012 06:56 BlueLanterna wrote: Actually none of the information is private, it's all public. So if i can get your IP, address, name, school, work off the internet, do i have the right to post it and tell you people you are doing bad things? My only proof being that I can link a username on reddit to your username elsewhere? Or that your IP was the one that uploaded the pics? IP's can be faked, people use the same usernames. How do you know that this information is correct? Who gets to decide what is fact and what is not? | ||
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Positronic
121 Posts
On October 12 2012 07:03 emythrel wrote: When in public you are snapped hundreds of times per day by CCTV, you are still anonymous. Agree that there is a big difference between posting a pic of some anonymous girls ass compared with posting personal information about someone. Who gave these Predittors the right to give out personal information on the internet without permission? I think you will find that is illegal where as taking a picture of someone in public.... perfectly legal in most cases. unethical and immoral? well thats a personal thing but no reason to have your personal information given out by some random person on the internet. If the government gave out this info, well thats up to them, they have actual authority..... but a private citizen has no right to do it without permission, moral authority doesn't exist in law... invasion of privacy does. all of the information was publicly available, so your point is moot. | ||
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
On October 12 2012 06:50 Monochromatic wrote: There is a difference between a photo of a girl in public and your name, address, and private photos. Honestly this whole thing is stupid, this is why I stay away from reddit. This is the sole reason why you stay off reddit? Might as well stay off the Internet if your reason is because there are creeps. Wait, there are also child molesters, sexual abusers, rapists, and people who take up skirt pictures in the ethnic food aisle? Better stay away from outside too. | ||
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Positronic
121 Posts
On October 12 2012 07:07 emythrel wrote: So if i can get your IP, address, name, school, work off the internet, do i have the right to post it and tell you people you are doing bad things? My only proof being that I can link a username on reddit to your username elsewhere? Or that your IP was the one that uploaded the pics? IP's can be faked, people use the same usernames. How do you know that this information is correct? Who gets to decide what is fact and what is not? actually if it's public information, you're not committing a crime by taking that information and posting it wherever you want to, so if i was doing "bad things" and i was stupid enough to have all of my information public so that it was available to whoever wanted it, then yes, you do have that right also your "is your information correct" argument is a strawman that has no basis in this instance. | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On October 12 2012 06:21 marttorn wrote: You said it yourself; reddit has something for everyone, and with the good comes the inevitable bad. Reddit has good sides, trust me, if you know where to find them. I don't trust you. | ||
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Stijx
United States804 Posts
Putting pictures, albeit very creepy ones, on the internet of men / women to be appreciated is not the same as putting up pictures of people to be shunned or, in the worst cases, attacked. I'm glad tumblr took the page down. | ||
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Positronic
121 Posts
" But Samantha believes that CreepShots is a gateway drug to more dangerous hobbies. Fetishizing non-consent "indicates [that CreepShots posters] don't view women as people, and most will not be satisfied with just that level of violation," she said. "I want to make sure that the people around these men know what they're doing so they can reap social, professional, or legal consequences, and possibly save women from future sexual assault. These men are dangerous." I realize that I'm dealing with a forum full of gigantic fucking internet nerds, but I'm sure some of you have girlfriends. All of you have moms. Some of you have sisters and nieces. Do you really want them, or any women, to have to go through the stress of wondering whether someone in public is going to take a shot of them in a compromising position, then trade it like a baseball card with hundreds of other faceless goons to masturbate to? Along with possible enabling a sexual assault because someone takes it too far? On October 12 2012 07:22 Stijx wrote: While it does seem wrong to allow people to post this, I don't think an appropriate response is to real-life witch-hunt the people doing it. These "creeps" can not be paralleled with sexual predators, and certainly don't deserve any violent real-world ramifications for their actions. Putting pictures, albeit very creepy ones, on the internet of men / women to be appreciated is not the same as putting up pictures of people to be shunned or, in the worst cases, attacked. I'm glad tumblr took the page down. Read this post, then consider this point about "creeps" being associated with sexual predators. Many of them probably are, and we just haven't figured it out yet. Take this fine example: "One afternoon in late September, Coweta County Sheriff Investigator Jason Fetner asked Christopher Bailey, a 35-year-old substitute teacher at East Coweta High, to meet with him regarding a school theft. But when Bailey arrived, Fetner told him the real reason for their meeting: he knew that Bailey had been posting photos of his students — "Hot senior girl in one of my classes," read one charming caption — on the subreddit r/CreepShots, some of which had been viewed thousands of times. Most of Bailey's CreepShots contributions were relatively "innocent" (for example, you couldn't see the senior girl's underwear) and therefore legal, but the content Fetner subsequently found on Bailey's cellphone — including multiple texts and nude photos that he sent to girls as young as 16 — were not, and police are now pursuing charges. But how did Fetner know that the substitute teacher with a clean record was a secret sexual predator? Thanks to a tip from a group of anonymous Redditors who are sick of seeing the CreepShots community gleefully post teen upskirt photo after teen upskirt photo while telling the "internet morality police" to "fuck off" and stop ruining their fun." User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On October 12 2012 07:31 SilverLeagueElite wrote: Decided to check out what Reddit was. Clicked through some front page hot topics. Seems to be lots of memes and pics. How's this different from 4chan? Little less anonymous and a little more mainstream accepted. And people all keep making it harder and harder to perv on women without them knowing. What a cruel world. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On October 12 2012 07:10 Positronic wrote: actually if it's public information, you're not committing a crime by taking that information and posting it wherever you want to, so if i was doing "bad things" and i was stupid enough to have all of my information public so that it was available to whoever wanted it, then yes, you do have that right also your "is your information correct" argument is a strawman that has no basis in this instance. You're wrong. It is a crime in some countries. (i.e. Germany Informationelle Selbstbestimmung; but we also have the "Recht am eigenen Bild" which is basically the same for pictures  )Also interesting read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_laws_of_the_United_States#Modern_tort_law | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On October 12 2012 07:04 Ettick wrote: The more subbreddits like this one shut down the better imo it''s just a waste of time new ones pop up just as fast. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On October 12 2012 07:31 SilverLeagueElite wrote: Decided to check out what Reddit was. Clicked through some front page hot topics. Seems to be lots of memes and pics. How's this different from 4chan? In case you aren't trolling: When you get on reddit for the first time, the "front-page" simply consists of the top posts from all of the subreddits that are SFW. Subreddits, also called subs or just reddits, are miniature forums able to be created by anyone. They are like little fiefdoms, and mods can ban, close threads, and do other things there. Now, the most popular ones are the most easily-digested and the ones with the widest appeal. Funny is probably the biggest subreddit, and so a lot of its posts get to the front page quite often. Other reddits, like Roguelikes, aren't as active and maybe have 3 threads per day. So subs can be made for anything, from creepshots to cars to designer horse-brushes. The only universally banned subject is child porn. Well, originally. A while back a sub called jailbait was also closed because it sexualized minors and was causing a stir in the media. Now, creepshots is also gone. The idea is really good and I like it. Games, circlejerk, roguelikes, and dwarffortress are my most frequented subs. There are also sports subs, other games subs, politics subs, religious subs, porn subs... the list goes on. The actions of some users of the site don't reflect on the site at all, really. It's actually quite different from 4chan, ostensibly because reddit uses upvotes, has different thread styles, etc, but also because the control si very descentralized. If you wanted to, you could open a reddit dedicated to anything right now. and it will stay open for at least a little bit. | ||
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Positronic
121 Posts
On October 12 2012 07:36 Zocat wrote: You're wrong. It is a crime in some countries. (i.e. Germany Informationelle Selbstbestimmung; but we also have the "Recht am eigenen Bild" which is basically the same for pictures )Also interesting read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_laws_of_the_United_States#Modern_tort_law Intrusion of solitude: physical or electronic intrusion into one's private quarters. Has not happened in this case, information was found on public websites Public disclosure of private facts: the dissemination of truthful private information which a reasonable person would find objectionable Nothing private about the information provided, all of it public False light: the publication of facts which place a person in a false light, even though the facts themselves may not be defamatory. There is no false light hereAppropriation: the unauthorized use of a person's name or likeness to obtain some benefits. No benefits being obtained | ||
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DeltaX
United States287 Posts
Overall reddit seems to have very loose rules on what is allowed and takes a very wide view of free speech. Even if they drew a clear line in the sand like they did with banning sexual content involving minors, people will try to get as close as possible to that line and people are going to get offended by it. Try replacing creepy with offensive, should a site take down something that some people find offensive if it was produced legally? | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
It's basically like celebrity following, except on average people. | ||
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
...but I also love it so much.......help...please | ||
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Positronic
121 Posts
On October 12 2012 07:51 acker wrote: As, well, creepy as it is, I can't see anything making this illegal. People are allowed to take pictures of other people in public. And people are perfectly entitled to public information on other people. It's basically like celebrity following, except on average people. Nothing is going to make it illegal, however the point of making the tumblr about it is probably to find out if this kind of thing would continue to happen when the people taking the photos were identified, and expose whoever is taking advantage of their position to take more pictures (the pedophile in the OP). | ||
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