At my local underground illegal casino in the rich area of Seoul I found myself sitting with 7,000$ (3k profit) in a 2k min buy 10/20 NL game against 6 other older rich/gangster koreans. Generally they hate white people because the white people buyin short stack, play tight as hell, try to double up, then leave, and if they lose their initial buyin they leave too. Luckily I speak quite a bit of Korean by now and I've known some of these guys for a while now casino-ing (two of them who were very gangster and shady looking were guys that I had never played with until today...but I could tell they have lots of poker playing experience) and I never ever complain or brag while playing I just continue to order various forms of alcohol while playing and when I play I buyin big. I play better while drunk.
Ettiquete is very imporant in this place. Tipping is a must almost (not every hand you win, but anything sizable u give the dealer 10 bucks). If you lay a huge beat on someone giving them back 50-500$ of what you took from them is normal depending on how bad of a beat it was and how much you like the guy. People often act out of turn by folding too fast, or folding sloppily and their cards flipping over. They also string bet like hell. When showing hands they often show one card but not the other, and often muck when they are supposed to open their hands first. This stuff really pisses me off. But no one says anything because everyone does it, except me of course, but I am an average of 25-30 years younger than everyone and if I didn't know these guys I'd be scared as hell of them so I can't say anything about their terrible table nuances. You just gotta accept it the way it is. Its not every day you get to play in a 10/20 2k min buy with fish who try to raise to 320 preflop every single hand.
Anyways, at 1:30 AM about two hours into the game, a white guy I had seen a long ass time ago playing 1/2 NL in another casino strolls in. This guy is short, relatively ugly, mildly fat, and you can just tell he got picked on when he was a kid by the way he talks. If I could recall correctly he played tight as hell and was scared of money, but if he has a big hand he will bet huge (relatively compared to his small stack buyin). He asks......
"What are you guys playing, 1/2, 5/10?"
One of the koreans respond "Man - E-man" which translates to 10/20.
The kid looks befuddled and takes a moment to think to himself then asks, "What is the minimum buyin." I tell him two-thousand and then he shrugs and says well then I'm not gunna play. One of the nicer guys at the table who speaks english asks him,
"How much are you willing to play?" and he thinks and replies "a thousand." The Korean then asks all the other guys at the table in korean if its okay if he buys in with 1000$ and everyone agrees to let him play. He fuddles through his pockets and wallet and finally manages to gather 100 manwons (korean 10$ bills...the maximum normal currency size lol) which is 1000$ roughly. He takes a seat and the manager brings him his chips. The kid looks around in awe as several people have 10k+ stacks and the standard pre-flop raise is 1/3rd his buyin. Naturally he makes small talk with me all the way across the table commenting on my 'huge stack.' I let him know that being up 3,000$ in this game is absolutely nothing. The other day ten of us played 10/20. Three of us won together 67,000$ the other seven lost that much...seven people losing five buyins average in a 10/20 game live in one night. That is incredibly sick. Kid says to me (note by kid he is still a few years older than me I just have zero respect for him),
"just Gotta play tight!" with a gay smile that let me know immediately he was Canadian. I "Heh"'d him and didn't talk to him much after that.
About his seventh hand in he raises it up to 180$ preflop and gets two callers. Flop slams down A72 and he bets two hundred into the two callers. First guy folds and the second guy puts him all-in for 600 more.
"Damn...you got those trip sevens?...."
"....."
Thinking thinking thinking. The kid counts the chips in the pot, distraughtfully plays with his remaining 600$ in 4 black 100$ chips and 20 red 10$ chips. Note the player who raised him is the utmost fishiest guy in the game and he had 10k infront of him (he was already down 10k at that point...10k anger-rebuy for him).
Finally, with a look of disgust the kid calls and flips over Ace-King. I look at the guy next to me, a korean gangster, and we both give eachother looks that say "what the fuck was that fucking moron thinking about, of course he shoud call...600$, el oh el." Needless to say the fish who raised him all-in had A6 off suit and AK took the pot down. The kid makes a circle with his lips and blows out air in a huge sigh of relief, and rakes in the pot with his hands shaking like hell. One guy starts calling the guy with A6 a "byungshin" (fucking retard) and they both have a good laugh over the small pot he just lost.
Edward Shakeyhands then gets a call in which he mumbles in the lowest volume possible to possibly his gay lover that he just won a 'huge' pot then says he's busy and hangs up. All the korean guys are just looking around, saying nothing, but every single one of their eyes' said "WE WANT THIS WHITE MOTHER FUCKER'S STACK." The bloodhounds were THIRSTY for his 2200$.
Two hands later our star raises once again, this time to 240$ preflop. I stare down at AQo and muck it without hesitation, and the guy to my left makes it 600 to go. Tighty-whitey then reraises 400 more to 1000$. Re-raiser calls. Obviously tighty-whitey has AA or KK at this point...but perhaps the korean wasn't smart enough to realize this. The Flop thunders down 992 and they both get it all-in. Kid has KK and korean guy has QQ. KK takes it down and the white pride now has a 4500$ stack after 10 hands sitting down with 1000$. A lively underground smoke filled poker room that is normally filled with laughter and insults to and from people who just don't give one fuck about anything money related was now quiet as the night. I felt the anger radiating out of them. But our hero broke the silence by saying to the guy, "I knew you had queens or jacks, tough spot for you." After getting no response other than a look he promptly shut up.
After 10 more hands the shaking white warrior had cooled down and got up from his seat and paced around the other area of the casino on the phone (once again, presumably his gay lover) most likely bragging about how much money he just won. Then he dissapeared for a while, maybe taking a shit, maybe taking a fake shit, maybe a little of both. Upon return he came back with two plastic chip racks and says "sorry guys, I gotta go."
Lets just realize that in a place of such ettiquete among players hit-n-running is FORBIDDEN. Especially after they let him min-buy for 1000$ when the real minimum was 2000$. There is even a casino rule on the wall stating that the player must call "round" and play one more round of blinds before leaving. He did not even do this.
There are some mumbles "CASHOUT?" The nicer korean guy says "you're leaving after 20 hands?" The kid says "yeah I really gotta go sorry." The two korean gangsters that I hadn't seen until today looked at eachother with cocked heads, and one said "I CASHOUT TOO." The other one then immediately bellowed "I TOO CASHOUT." I didn't like the kid either in the first place, but this made me want to join them.
Then as they were standing up one said in Korean, "we are going to go get our money back from that foreigner mother fucker."
To encourage them I replied in the most manner form of korean "Please do so!" with a smile. The table instantly burst out in laughter which lasted longer than it should have. I didn't intent this to be a joke, I was serious, but I guess given the circumstances to people who did not realize the other white guy could speak korean well enough to understand them and understand what they were doing. Then the one guy asks in english "YOU SPEAK KOREAN?" I said no and he said "BUT YOU KNOW WHAT WE GUNNA DO?" other one says
"DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM? ITS NOT RIGHT. ARE U HIS FRIEND?"
"hell no"
After I reply I see the door going out shut and lock and the kid briskly walk away at a high pace.
The guys then don't even bother to pick up their chips and cashout and run up the stairs and out the door. At first I didn't really think they were going to do anything when I encouraged them to go kill him, I just wanted to let them know I agreed that the kid was a fuck. But I started to feel really bad at this point. Oh well, it was outa my hands.
Five minutes later they came back empty handed, and the fat one huffing and puffing heavily stated how the bandit escaped.
As much of a sucker the kid was I was relieved that he escaped, maybe he did deserve a beating but who knows, maybe he really did have a good reason for leaving. But if I did not stall those guys inadvertantly from going after him, he would have gotten wallopped and would have been powerless to do anything about it as he is a rodent english-teacher on foreign ground in a tightly-knit culture. By encouraging them to kill I prevented them from killing. My own anger at the kid was transformed into guilt and then relief and then satisfaction.
I am a saint. But boy oh boy, I sure hope that guy never comes back.
p.s. This is a TRUE story, 100%. I have no idea why I'm writing it but it was rather eventful to me atleast and I'm bored. I hope you enjoyed. By the way I endedup losing the 7,000$ I had that night and went home happily.
let me get this straight... you encouraged them to go after him, and inadvertently stalled them from kicking his ass - and you call yourself a saint? haha. nice story though.
wow, been a while since i have seen a topic about the life of Rekrul. I really appreciated it by learning about the Korean community, the good, and the bad. Good Job on winning some money, but it is really a good thing that you actually helped a man out. I think it was wrong that you let him in for $1000, and wrong for him for leaving after only 20 hands, but you saved a life. God will reward you in heaven.
Interesting read. Place you play poker sounds badass. You and the korean gangsters When you say gangsters, what do you mean? (im asking rek, not anyone else)
Some kid came to play poker, won a bunch of cash, and didnt give his opponents a chance to win it back, thereby disrespecting them. Rek cracked a joke which distracted them with laughter while the kid made his getaway out the back door.
On February 07 2006 16:50 NewbSaibot wrote: Some kid came to play poker, won a bunch of cash, and didnt give his opponents a chance to win it back, thereby disrespecting them. Rek cracked a joke which distracted them with laughter while the kid made his getaway out the back door.
It... didn't really happen like that.
Rekrul, in the making of some small talk, and in some responses to questions, accidentally delayed some guys from chasing after a guy who they may or may not have caught, and may or may not have done anything besides making the guy play some more.
I found the whole etiquette thing very interesting. Very glamorous in a dangerous sort of way, and makes me want to really start working on becoming a better player.
But "I saved a life today" isn't really a honest title. Otherwise, I could write that and explain that by choosing to walk out the back door of my house, I caused my brother to walk out the front, and out back there was a jogger, and my brother hates joggers, and this jogger looked mouthy, and he would smart talk my brother, who would punch the jogger, who would fall into the street, where an oncoming car would hit him and carry him off on his bumper where he would die before reaching medical attention.
But yeah, I'm going to meet you in one of those clubs one day and take all your money! A^_^
well the i saved a life today is really catchy, and it makes you want to read. very good story, and even more fascinating being true. i wish we could hear more stories from you, but it sounds like this is one of the more eventful things that has happened recently then.
On February 07 2006 15:49 Eagleheart wrote: I think he exaggarated the part about gangsters though, but whatever. It was a cool story anyways
It's illegal to gamble in Korea, and the only casinos that exist are for foreigner's use. You must be pretty badass if you're Korean and want to play some poker. There is every possibility that those he mentioned were real.
On February 07 2006 14:50 Rekrul wrote: he would have gotten wallopped and would have been powerless to do anything about it as he is a rodent english-teacher on foreign ground in a tightly-knit culture.
That story was getting heaps good then the conclusion/end if you will was utter shit, it doesn't sound like you saved a life it sounded like you were shit scared and denied knowing him in anyway...
well, someone thought this was significant/funny enough to post at the nohunters forum. since i'm not a bandwagoning idiot who gets starry eyed when reading a rek post or seeing him on bnet, i figured i'd actually give a real response to this post
and i'm irritated as all fuck when i read this. first of all, before any of you say "who the fk r u lol u dont no rek" i've played starcraft for a while and i've played poker for a while, i've visited even this website for a while (it was only today that i registered though). i've read lots of rek posts here and at nohunters, played on bnet with him a long time ago, basically i've been around this whole sad community of sc and then poker players for a good, i dunno, 6-7 years.
anyway, here's why i'm pissed: i can easily see myself in that kid's situation. how hard is it to imagine? if you've played online poker or high stakes poker for only a few years (which most of you surely have) how hard is it to put yourself in his shoes?
i can see myself sitting down at a game way over my head with a bunch of older guys who i can barely understand and playing scared (not as scared as the ak hand) and probably shaking or having a red face. to some people thousands of dollars is a considerable amount of money, winning and losing thousands is kind of a big deal to us non-degenerate gamblers. some people don't have 50k swings, some people dont win tens of thousands of dollars in one night without cracking a smile. just because this kid doesn't have millions passing through his hands, because he isn't a professional poker player, because he isn't what is most commonly just another breed of degenerate gamblers with skills that allow them to accumulate money but never hold on to it, he doesn't deserve his profit?
i can see this guy getting up after quadrupling his stack, probably thrilled, probably having no idea that he's in for a rough time or that he did anything remotely wrong...then for some random guy who could have easily been in his place a few years earlier to encourage a couple of what he would refer to as "gangsters" to go get their money back 'in the most manner way' (vomit), knowing theyre going to beat him up and then jokingly/haha FUNNY saying go 'kill' the guy. WOW. all of this justified by some unwritten code of poker honor and etiquette (ha) that was never explained, by the suggestion that said guy deserves what he gets because he bought in for half of the minimum and violated the rules that everyone agreed to break...bullshit
oh, and then all this shit about the guy must be talking to his gay lover...ridiculous. it's like as soon as he saw a nervous white guy his age sit down he immediately chose to not respect him in the least bit. what's up with that? what can explain that other than being insecure about your own past? did rek see himself a few years earlier sitting down in that smoky parlor? regardless, its such obvious narcissism and plain evilness. the fact that he encouraged illegal and dangerous acts on some hapless guy just because he has problems with himself (why else would he care?) is sick and disturbing
"its a dilemma" hahahahaa. point is, it shouldn't be a dilemma, it should be a nonissue. let the kid play his game and let him walk away, don't try to impress some old chainsmoking koreans who want to take your money.
Yeah just because you guys were mad at him you shouldnt really go and rob / kill him. You couldve just pointed out the rule that he has to stay for another round of blinds. Him buying in for less than the minimum shouldnt be an issue because he was going to leave until the other guy called him back and let him in.
And i hope you were joking when you encouraged them to kill / rob the white guy.
On February 07 2006 20:19 derek wrote: well, someone thought this was significant/funny enough to post at the nohunters forum. since i'm not a bandwagoning idiot who gets starry eyed when reading a rek post or seeing him on bnet, i figured i'd actually give a real response to this post
and i'm irritated as all fuck when i read this. first of all, before any of you say "who the fk r u lol u dont no rek" i've played starcraft for a while and i've played poker for a while, i've visited even this website for a while (it was only today that i registered though). i've read lots of rek posts here and at nohunters, played on bnet with him a long time ago, basically i've been around this whole sad community of sc and then poker players for a good, i dunno, 6-7 years.
anyway, here's why i'm pissed: i can easily see myself in that kid's situation. how hard is it to imagine? if you've played online poker or high stakes poker for only a few years (which most of you surely have) how hard is it to put yourself in his shoes?
i can see myself sitting down at a game way over my head with a bunch of older guys who i can barely understand and playing scared (not as scared as the ak hand) and probably shaking or having a red face. to some people thousands of dollars is a considerable amount of money, winning and losing thousands is kind of a big deal to us non-degenerate gamblers. some people don't have 50k swings, some people dont win tens of thousands of dollars in one night without cracking a smile. just because this kid doesn't have millions passing through his hands, because he isn't a professional poker player, because he isn't what is most commonly just another breed of degenerate gamblers with skills that allow them to accumulate money but never hold on to it, he doesn't deserve his profit?
i can see this guy getting up after quadrupling his stack, probably thrilled, probably having no idea that he's in for a rough time or that he did anything remotely wrong...then for some random guy who could have easily been in his place a few years earlier to encourage a couple of what he would refer to as "gangsters" to go get their money back 'in the most manner way' (vomit), knowing theyre going to beat him up and then jokingly/haha FUNNY saying go 'kill' the guy. WOW. all of this justified by some unwritten code of poker honor and etiquette (ha) that was never explained, by the suggestion that said guy deserves what he gets because he bought in for half of the minimum and violated the rules that everyone agreed to break...bullshit
oh, and then all this shit about the guy must be talking to his gay lover...ridiculous. it's like as soon as he saw a nervous white guy his age sit down he immediately chose to not respect him in the least bit. what's up with that? what can explain that other than being insecure about your own past? did rek see himself a few years earlier sitting down in that smoky parlor? regardless, its such obvious narcissism and plain evilness. the fact that he encouraged illegal and dangerous acts on some hapless guy just because he has problems with himself (why else would he care?) is sick and disturbing
kill yourselves, etc
Ha Ha Ha god I love this forum. I can tell this is going to be a golden thread before all is said and done.
Also Rek wtf is up with giving people back some money after u lay a bad beat on them? Kinda a wierd thing. Is that commen in most poker rooms in korea?
On February 07 2006 20:19 derek wrote: well, someone thought this was significant/funny enough to post at the nohunters forum. since i'm not a bandwagoning idiot who gets starry eyed when reading a rek post or seeing him on bnet, i figured i'd actually give a real response to this post
and i'm irritated as all fuck when i read this. first of all, before any of you say "who the fk r u lol u dont no rek" i've played starcraft for a while and i've played poker for a while, i've visited even this website for a while (it was only today that i registered though). i've read lots of rek posts here and at nohunters, played on bnet with him a long time ago, basically i've been around this whole sad community of sc and then poker players for a good, i dunno, 6-7 years.
anyway, here's why i'm pissed: i can easily see myself in that kid's situation. how hard is it to imagine? if you've played online poker or high stakes poker for only a few years (which most of you surely have) how hard is it to put yourself in his shoes?
i can see myself sitting down at a game way over my head with a bunch of older guys who i can barely understand and playing scared (not as scared as the ak hand) and probably shaking or having a red face. to some people thousands of dollars is a considerable amount of money, winning and losing thousands is kind of a big deal to us non-degenerate gamblers. some people don't have 50k swings, some people dont win tens of thousands of dollars in one night without cracking a smile. just because this kid doesn't have millions passing through his hands, because he isn't a professional poker player, because he isn't what is most commonly just another breed of degenerate gamblers with skills that allow them to accumulate money but never hold on to it, he doesn't deserve his profit?
i can see this guy getting up after quadrupling his stack, probably thrilled, probably having no idea that he's in for a rough time or that he did anything remotely wrong...then for some random guy who could have easily been in his place a few years earlier to encourage a couple of what he would refer to as "gangsters" to go get their money back 'in the most manner way' (vomit), knowing theyre going to beat him up and then jokingly/haha FUNNY saying go 'kill' the guy. WOW. all of this justified by some unwritten code of poker honor and etiquette (ha) that was never explained, by the suggestion that said guy deserves what he gets because he bought in for half of the minimum and violated the rules that everyone agreed to break...bullshit
oh, and then all this shit about the guy must be talking to his gay lover...ridiculous. it's like as soon as he saw a nervous white guy his age sit down he immediately chose to not respect him in the least bit. what's up with that? what can explain that other than being insecure about your own past? did rek see himself a few years earlier sitting down in that smoky parlor? regardless, its such obvious narcissism and plain evilness. the fact that he encouraged illegal and dangerous acts on some hapless guy just because he has problems with himself (why else would he care?) is sick and disturbing
kill yourselves, etc
after your 4th paragraph i knew you were a moron. if you can identify with a donkey sitting way over his bankroll and the running away once he doubles up twice in 10 hands and not think that it might occur to him that the others would be angry, you are a complete donkey
and if you play pokerstars - im sure you are the reason i make money
Derek, I can see you sitting down and being over your head in pretty much every situation you find yourself in.
But, after you present your impressive "credientials" of being around the community for *gasp* 6-7 years, which you both freely insult and claim elite membership in, you make a string of retarded sentiments.
You can see yourself sitting down in an illegal gambling den, not knowing the rules, language, culture, or ettiquette, and expect to trounce around like some babo foreigner?
I hope for the sake of your families future generations that you never leave the english speaking world. Otherwise the precious bubble of "reality" you percieve the world from may burst at the point of a knife.
I think that Rekrul is not sick and disturbing. A society that can raise and sustain numbnuts like you without feeding you to tigers is sick and disturbing.
I would ban you but I think rekrul deserves that honour.
the only person disturbed here is Rekrul, and derek is semi-right it doesnt matter how stupid that guy was, rekruls reaction was only sad, its the only word i can find to describe the situation. I could say mean, untolerant, egotistical but what lies behind rekrul a fucking sad person who finds it funny that some dude gets his ass kicked. U must be lacking a lot of things in ur life based on how u treat people and ur making a big big mistake assuming that ur thousands of dollars make u special, u lack real love and this is why ur so fucking bitter, ur just an arrogant sad prick who is so low that he takes pleasure in showing off on an internet forum, im sick some people actually might follow ur sad example. Arrogance, not being humble is the definiton of stupidity, because ur thinking is so unidimensional that u cannot understand and perceive the reality surrouding you, and that people all have magnificient talents that must be respected.
cool. the next time someone gets angry at me at the poker table i think i'll just save everyone the trouble, kick my own ass, and hand them all of my money. i mean, that's the kind of trouble people expect when they anger others at a poker table, right? fuck me if i flop trips or get dealt aces. haha, you probably spotted my weakest sentence right away: yes he probably knew he was doing something 'remotely wrong' by getting up so quickly. the next time i walk with a quick profit maybe i should run, huh? frost, your post certainly transcends everything i said and makes you the big winner. oh and yeah you're right: i'm a complete donkey and i am the (sole) reason you make money on pokerstars
i love how convenient people find it to attack my presentation of this guy doing nothing wrong (which he didn't). it's an easy argument. yeah he probably should have known better, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. from rek's portrayal of the guy he really didn't seem like he knew what the fuck he was doing. didn't seem like a shark hustling the place, did he?
if you read anything in this post, read this: i'm not arguing about what the koreans do in their own illegal poker rooms, i'm saying that rekrul treating a fellow canadian, one around his age, and one who was obviously terrified, like that is sad/disturbing/sick
a FOREIGNER was in an ILLEGAL POKER ROOM and you say he didn't do anything wrong?
Any stupid duchebag who walks into a gambling den without knowing th rules or language deserves what he gets. Rekrul didn't treat this guy badly at all. Why should Rekrul go out of his way and damage his own reputation to defend this moron? What obligation does he have? Because he is white? Fuck that. Here is how that plays out:
"This guy a friend?" Rekrul - "Yeah" "Dont come here any more. Leave your money"
White people in asia come in two flavours: those who attampt to learn about the new culture they have arrived in, and those who think their white skin is a shield that protects them and their ignorance. This guy was certainly the latter.
I understand both sides, but that other guy shouldn't really be there if he acts that way in that dangerous enviroment. In a public casino, it is probably acceptable behavior, but not in underground casino rings. Rekrul's post more often than not is pretty funny in its own way and some might missed the humor.
As for the Canadian gambler, he would live longer by talking less.
Way to jump on our guest just because he disagrees with the almighty Rekrul. We should systematically ban everyone with a diverging opinion from these forums. I bet that'd make the discussion a whole lot more fun!
And I'm sure our friend has a better understanding of how things work in 'illegal korean gambling dens' after his little adventure. Everyone is naive at some point in their lives - but we don't learn anything if we aren't willing to throw ourselves into the fire from time to time. The gamblers at the table are justified in their anger, just as our pal is justified in shitting his pants and wanting to get the hell out after things tensed up. Remember what Rek said about the atmosphere changing - I'd want to get the hell out too.
Oh, and so would you.
edit: And they probably let him buy in low because they thought he was an easy kill - serves them right.
we are getting on derek because hes a moron - not because he disagrees with rekrul
anyone who can identify with a kid playing underrolled in an illegal casino that he had no business playing in with a bunch of korean gangsters( and then leaving after he doubled up twice in ten minutes) does not deserve to have any credibilty taken with his posts.
SaNteria, I am sorry I didn't know derek was your guest to these internet forums.
I am not jumping on him because he disagreed with rekrul. If you read carefully, rekrul did not even present an opinion, not a narrative. I jumped on him because derek presented himself as a pompos ass, calling Rekrul sick and disgusting for not helping a retarded friend.
I am more than willing to be naive and throw myself into the fire now and then... more than you could know. However, I pick my spots, and a poker game full of gangsters speaking another language is not one of them. I am amazed how anybody can be sympathetic with this foreigner.
btw, Is he banned? No. I wouldn't ban anyone for that post. Rekrul, on the other hand, I cannot speak for.
Actually, another reason I didn't respect him is because he did this exact same thing a long time ago. Live poker should be about fun not trying to win 300$ and then cashout happy as can be because you can afford a hooker, when in reality that was only one bet.
For the retards "I saved a life today" is sarcasm.
For derek, you need to realize that part of korean body language and humor is to act like they are going to take action and then do nothing. Like a pump fake in basketball. Oftentimes if you say something insulting and witty to a friend he'll act like he's going to hit you but never will they actually hit you. Or say a bunch of friends are drinking and someone says something embarassing about one of the people...that one person might expressively mutter some shit and stand up as if he's going to leave...they might even go as far as putting on his jacket. But always they will sit back down take it off with a laugh...as it all is just an expressive joke.
Lets be clear...when they stood up that is exactly what I thought they were doing. Just acting like that to be funny after the kid pissed them off. It's not like they actually care about the money he won....it's just he comes into their place, breaks their rules, and leaves in a bad manner fashion. They do have a right to be angry but no right to actually harm or rob him. I didn't think they were gunna go so I said "please do so" in korean just as something cute to say...not necessarily a joke. Once they took off running my half-drunken self felt bad. I mean really bad....my heart sunk, but there was nothing I could do.
And the kid was pretty oblivious I think. He had no nunchi <-- 눈치없어~ (intuition)
On February 08 2006 00:09 Manifesto7 wrote: a FOREIGNER was in an ILLEGAL POKER ROOM and you say he didn't do anything wrong?
Any stupid duchebag who walks into a gambling den without knowing th rules or language deserves what he gets. Rekrul didn't treat this guy badly at all. Why should Rekrul go out of his way and damage his own reputation to defend this moron? What obligation does he have? Because he is white? Fuck that. Here is how that plays out:
"This guy a friend?" Rekrul - "Yeah" "Dont come here any more. Leave your money"
White people in asia come in two flavours: those who attampt to learn about the new culture they have arrived in, and those who think their white skin is a shield that protects them and their ignorance. This guy was certainly the latter.
No one questions the guy is a dumbass but I don't understand some of these criticisms beyond him being incredibly stupid and having really bad poker manners. What he did was universally wrong, wherever you play poker. Where do you get him using his white skin as a shield that protects him? If some Korean came to an illegal poker room here in America. And here, I think sometimes money games with your friends in private is illegal, I don't know about Korea, but I can see someone being dumb about what kind of game they think they are getting in to. So the Korean guy does the same thing as the Canadian one, and lets say he gets badly beaten/killed and robbed. I doubt you'd be saying he deserved it. I HIGHLY doubt you'd be saying he was some arrogant Korean, certainly trying to use his skin to protect him.
Serv, I only mentioned about the white skin because so often I see caucasians in asia doing rediculous and stupid things, and then falling back on the excuse that "Im white" or "I dont speak the language".
It is a mental attitude that many white people use in asia. Soem use it to get girls, some use it for protection from bill collectors, some use it to get cheap train tickets, and some use it to escape poker rooms. I wouldnt say the same thing about a korea in NA because there isnt that same attitude.
Ask rekrul about being white in asia and the way stupid white people act.
my friends at college play a $20 poker game. it was the second hand one after noon and lets call the main character of the story tool 1. basically he gets dealt a made hand and 6 people end up going all in on the second hand and he wins with quads. now tool 1 collects all the chips and says 'well i have to get to studying' gets up and leaves. i mean it was only $20 but everyone was pretty pissed. someone pissed on his door that night
anyways the point is you'd have to be a moron to realize doubling up and then leaving after 10 hands is not bad edicate...espcially if he had indeed played live at casinos before. im not saying that he deserved to get beat up or anything but you have to wonder about him
the rest of you 'defending' him: gj wasting all of this forum space with your irrelevant shit
there's no getting around that his post is thick with an air of superiority and contempt, but since he put things into perspective, maybe what he did wasn't so bad. obviously the rest of you didn't have the same perspective, i certainly wasn't "over my head." instead of clutching at straws to try and find holes in my post, you guys could have just waited until he stepped in and defended himself so you could go back to sucking his dick
see, this wasn't a complete waste of time. i feel better now.
On February 08 2006 01:32 derek wrote: rekrul knows how to explain himself
the rest of you 'defending' him: gj wasting all of this forum space with your irrelevant shit
there's no getting around that his post is thick with an air of superiority and contempt, but since he put things into perspective, maybe what he did wasn't so bad. obviously the rest of you didn't have the same perspective, i certainly wasn't "over my head." instead of clutching at straws to try and find holes in my post, you guys could have just waited until he stepped in and defended himself so you could go back to sucking his dick
see, this wasn't a complete waste of time. i feel better now.
On February 07 2006 14:50 Rekrul wrote: Thinking thinking thinking. The kid counts the chips in the pot, distraughtfully plays with his remaining 600$ in 4 black 100$ chips and 20 red 10$ chips. Note the player who raised him is the utmost fishiest guy in the game and he had 10k infront of him (he was already down 10k at that point...10k anger-rebuy for him).
Finally, with a look of disgust the kid calls and flips over Ace-King. I look at the guy next to me, a korean gangster, and we both give eachother looks that say "what the fuck was that fucking moron thinking about, of course he shoud call...600$, el oh el." Needless to say the fish who raised him all-in had A6 off suit and AK took the pot down. The kid makes a circle with his lips and blows out air in a huge sigh of relief, and rakes in the pot with his hands shaking like hell. One guy starts calling the guy with A6 a "byungshin" (fucking retard) and they both have a good laugh over the small pot he just lost.
Sounds like a strategy to me. Whether or not it worked on you and your 'gangster' friends is regardless, perhaps he did that on purpose because it makes other poker players in general question his hand to themselves. Regardless of how much of a faggot this kid may be... he may have had some logic in being as gay as you expressed him to be.
On February 07 2006 14:50 Rekrul wrote: Thinking thinking thinking. The kid counts the chips in the pot, distraughtfully plays with his remaining 600$ in 4 black 100$ chips and 20 red 10$ chips. Note the player who raised him is the utmost fishiest guy in the game and he had 10k infront of him (he was already down 10k at that point...10k anger-rebuy for him).
Finally, with a look of disgust the kid calls and flips over Ace-King. I look at the guy next to me, a korean gangster, and we both give eachother looks that say "what the fuck was that fucking moron thinking about, of course he shoud call...600$, el oh el." Needless to say the fish who raised him all-in had A6 off suit and AK took the pot down. The kid makes a circle with his lips and blows out air in a huge sigh of relief, and rakes in the pot with his hands shaking like hell. One guy starts calling the guy with A6 a "byungshin" (fucking retard) and they both have a good laugh over the small pot he just lost.
Sounds like a strategy to me. Whether or not it worked on you and your 'gangster' friends is regardless, perhaps he did that on purpose because it makes other poker players in general question his hand to themselves. Regardless of how much of a faggot this kid may be... he may have had some logic in being as gay as you expressed him to be.
Please explain to me what strategical edge you gain by making all the players at the table think you are the tightest mother fucker in the world when in reality, you are indeed the tightest mother fucker in the world?
Good god. I'll try again: "there's no getting around that his post is thick with an air of superiority and contempt" "gj wasting all of this forum space with your irrelevant shit" Take your own advice already.
On February 07 2006 14:50 Rekrul wrote: Thinking thinking thinking. The kid counts the chips in the pot, distraughtfully plays with his remaining 600$ in 4 black 100$ chips and 20 red 10$ chips. Note the player who raised him is the utmost fishiest guy in the game and he had 10k infront of him (he was already down 10k at that point...10k anger-rebuy for him).
Finally, with a look of disgust the kid calls and flips over Ace-King. I look at the guy next to me, a korean gangster, and we both give eachother looks that say "what the fuck was that fucking moron thinking about, of course he shoud call...600$, el oh el." Needless to say the fish who raised him all-in had A6 off suit and AK took the pot down. The kid makes a circle with his lips and blows out air in a huge sigh of relief, and rakes in the pot with his hands shaking like hell. One guy starts calling the guy with A6 a "byungshin" (fucking retard) and they both have a good laugh over the small pot he just lost.
Sounds like a strategy to me. Whether or not it worked on you and your 'gangster' friends is regardless, perhaps he did that on purpose because it makes other poker players in general question his hand to themselves. Regardless of how much of a faggot this kid may be... he may have had some logic in being as gay as you expressed him to be.
Please explain to me what strategical edge you gain by making all the players at the table think you are the tightest mother fucker in the world when in reality, you are indeed the tightest mother fucker in the world?
lol
The people opposing the faggot may believe he has dick shit if he hesitates in his homosexual ways, therefore causing them to bet more, I believe. If it was so obvious for him to call, what's the harm in hesitating to give a false sense to other players in the hand thinking that he has nothing good? Regardless of what he did it seemed to have worked. However, this is just my uneducated poker opinion, just what I gathered from reading the thread. No offense or hostility intended.
But the hand was over. There was only one more decision to be made. Call with his AK for all his chips or fold.
If you're talking about in latter hands...this might be true if the koreans were pure dumbasses. It might cause them to bluff him more. But, the problem is...this guy plays so scared and folds so many winning hands usually that if the koreans get cocky and try to outplay him...they actually will probably end up outplaying him.
But these koreans are pretty good players except for a couple. They know when to be catious against certain people so in my opinion it does nothing but hurt him, no matter how you look at it.
Alright, it just seemed like common sense to me I guess. As I said before I don't know much about poker, so I'll trust your judgement on what you say. I was just pointing something out about what I read. What a fat ugly Canadian conniving asshole .
"good god" serv, there's very little contradiction or irony in what i said, genius
you waste space by failing to accomplish in thousands of words what rek did in a few dozen, just because i casually notice this and comment on it doesn't mean i have an air of superiority
although i'm certainly developing an air of superiority every subsequent post i read: there's loads of just ridiculous drivel on "faggot poker strategies" and "duz russia fight w/china +iran if world war 3 happenz in next 10 yrs!?"
and shit those are the only 2 threads ive read, COME TO THINK OF IT IM PRETTY DAMN SUPERIOR SORRY GUYS I WONT BOTHER YOU ANYMORE LO!L!OL!OL!L!OL!OL!OL!!!!!!!
On February 08 2006 02:25 derek wrote: although i'm certainly developing an air of superiority every subsequent post i read: there's loads of just ridiculous drivel on "faggot poker strategies" and "duz russia fight w/china +iran if world war 3 happenz in next 10 yrs!?"
and shit those are the only 2 threads ive read,
"who the fk r u lol u dont no rek" i've played starcraft for a while and i've played poker for a while, i've visited even this website for a while
Well asians in american don't walk around like they're the shit.
Most white people in Korea do though.
That's going to be my next article. WHITE PEOPLE IN KOREA.
Im glad theres some people who think the same as me ~~ Ive been in China and now in Japan and constantly disgusted by how white people always act superior and I hate all those damn asian cocksucking girls who go for white guys cos of the skin colour. Its also sad that theres so many english teaching institutes that hire those jackass white people who have no motivation nor the capability to teach -_-
Sound like this Guy fooled you all. Let be honest, they let him in for 1000$ because they thought they will get all his money. Moreover this guy was there for the money, not the fun; it seems clear to me. So he let you and the "gangsters" crew underestimate him, took your money and managed to quit while, more or less, insulting you with his attitude. He probably had a good laugh...
On February 08 2006 02:25 derek wrote: although i'm certainly developing an air of superiority every subsequent post i read: there's loads of just ridiculous drivel on "faggot poker strategies" and "duz russia fight w/china +iran if world war 3 happenz in next 10 yrs!?"
On February 08 2006 05:13 {ToT}Strafe wrote: Rekrul , by any chance was that canadian in fact you? Because im thinking elky was your hero and you were the coward that ran off!
Good call strafe, Rekrul has more explaining to do!
I thought it was an entertaining story, but yeah the "I saved a life today" title was just begging for the type of response that Derek gave. I can see where he is coming from on a lot of his points.
But at the same time, (Derek) there's no need to prove your credentials by saying how long you've played BW or read TL.net or whatever; that just makes you sound... well... like Rekrul, tbh. And if you are trying to make a point on a forum, bashing the whole forum isn't the best way to go about it.
At the same time, there are obviously some people on here who will take Rek's side no matter what the argument is.
I'm surprised that Rek is so into the "white person in an Asian country" humility, honestly, because some of his posts have smacked of that same type of arrogance. Maybe that is in the past, and attitudes do change over time, but... it was surprising to me. I'm sure that Rek can think of times in the past two years when he was just as much of a "fish out of water" as the kid who he's bashing up and down, and yet now he's seemingly forgotten what it's like to be in that situation.
It reminds me of third- or fourth-generation Americans bashing immigrants for not speaking the language correctly or dressing funny, when most of their grandparents or great grandparents had to go through the same thing. Only in this case, it's on a much shorter time scale.
this thread is based on a poker story. its painfully obvious reading this that people are giving pretty strong opinions on what happened in this poker story with little to no knowledge about poker the fact that the guy is white has little to do with this story
i really tried NOT to brag or say anything about any kind of achievements ive made in the community
i actually made a point to just say 'ive played sc, poker, and visited this website for a while' without saying "lozl i beat boxer 4-1 and i make 2 millionz a week" and ive been a part of this sad community long enough to know who rek is in all 3 facets, that's all. i know if i hadn't said anything someone would be like 'an who r u fgt!!! u dont know rek hes manner.........'
On February 08 2006 17:17 x2fst wrote: Where does it say he enjoys losing or loses?
learn2read, kthxbai
He probably doesn't "enjoy" losing, jus takes it into stride, because its not like he lost his life savings, and the fact that he knows poker isn't all about winning.
Losing is part of poker, so you get used to it after a while.
Losing isn't a bad thing if you're just outplayed or lose a close hand. When clueless fucks make bonehead plays and somehow win, that's when the anger comes to the fore.
EPT
Nice reading
