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On August 29 2012 06:10 Perscienter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 04:45 FoxerGames wrote:On August 29 2012 04:39 Sea_Food wrote:On August 29 2012 04:30 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On August 29 2012 04:14 catplanetcatplanet wrote:On August 28 2012 23:57 Kevan wrote:On August 28 2012 23:21 giuocob wrote:On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote:
Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers? Yes, it brings Apple closer to falling out of business. Awesome. Always liked Google, always disliked Apple. It seems to be pretty common here or on any forum that has tech savvy people on it too. Wonder why. I don't dislike Apple. Sorry. Disliking apple =/= disliking apple products, and although I'm a hardcore PC fan (mainly because they overcharge apple products so fanboys buy them $$$profit$$$) I think anyone who understands the industry should probably dislike Apple and how they play ball. So apple sueing companies for making round edged rectangle shaped phones is a reason to hate them, but google suing them for having email notifications, and video playback is good. Can someone "who understands the industry" explain to me how does that make sense? PS. For people that did not know, apple did not start anything. Apple has won and lost countless aumonts of patent cases to other companies during the past years. Also apple is not involved in all of these. It didn't, we have been hinted that Steve Jobs just saw all the rise in competitors that pissed him off. He probably got pissed at Samsung because they completely ripped off Apple's iPhone design and UI etc and added more to it. Probably when he was dying, he had a dying wish to take down these companies even if it meant to go to a thermonuclear war and Tim Cook could simply just be abiding to his final wish. I suspect if this was true, and if Apple loses completely, then assassinations will take place afterwards. How can you rip-off a UI design? Really, the law-makers should have been discussing this for decades but they didn't. Yes, the Samsung has the same UI structure, which is good for the user. Apple were just the first to enter the market. Smartphones were just mobile phones with lots of additional PC-like hardware. What's the invention there? What's next? I integrate a pair of binoculars into a smartphone. What then? Is that patent-worthy?
Yes, Samsung has the same UI structure which is good for the user, but I've had people copied my style of apps for the appstore (not blatent copy, but he entered the nieche market using my app as a guide) and it just pissed me off, I can see why Apple is pissed off, riding on their success. But thing is I can't do nothing about it because, they infringe nothing.. which was what Samsung argument is all about.
Apple wern't the first to enter the smartphone market, they entered into a market that no one gave a crap about and showed the consumers how to do it right.. They did it with their iPads as well. What is patent worthy is up to Apple/Samsung/Google's legal team to decide not us, if it was up to you and me.. we would be millionaires.. not thousandairs..
Also Apple doesn't invent, don't know why people just throw the word "invent" around. I've never seen Apple used that word on their products yet it seems to be a common argument to use. My engineer teacher would always tell us a scientist always discovers and an engineer would always use the discoveries to implement it into whatever and make it viable for the consumers. Apple are the engineers in this case, they use what has already been made and use it in a way viable for consumers. That's how their buisness modal works.
Apple has patented hydrogen fuel cells that claims to have batteries lasting up for weeks before needing a recharge. Though I think we are too early to determine if it viable or not, but something like this would be massive for Apple to take advantage of.
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On August 29 2012 05:55 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:24 VManOfMana wrote:On August 29 2012 04:44 Faust852 wrote:On August 29 2012 04:39 Sea_Food wrote:On August 29 2012 04:30 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On August 29 2012 04:14 catplanetcatplanet wrote:On August 28 2012 23:57 Kevan wrote:On August 28 2012 23:21 giuocob wrote:On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote:
Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers? Yes, it brings Apple closer to falling out of business. Awesome. Always liked Google, always disliked Apple. It seems to be pretty common here or on any forum that has tech savvy people on it too. Wonder why. I don't dislike Apple. Sorry. Disliking apple =/= disliking apple products, and although I'm a hardcore PC fan (mainly because they overcharge apple products so fanboys buy them $$$profit$$$) I think anyone who understands the industry should probably dislike Apple and how they play ball. So apple sueing companies for making round edged rectangle shaped phones is a reason to hate them, but google suing them for having email notifications, and video playback is good. Can someone "who understands the industry" explain to me how does that make sense? PS. For people that did not know, apple did not start anything. Apple has won and lost countless aumonts of patent cases to other companies during the past years. Also apple is not involved in all of these. I don't think Google would have sued Apple if they didn't launch the thermonuclear war. Motorola has been suing for as long as Microsoft, Apple, and everybody else. There is no direct motivation for this lawsuit caused by the verdict of Apple vs. Samsung, starting with the fact that the lawsuit started BEFORE the verdict. It's something you are making up to conveniently reinforce your anti-Apple moral high horse, also fueled by the misleading choice of words by the OP. I wouldn't have waited for the verdict either. If someone starts swinging at you, you should probably take action before you get hit in the face.
You still missed the point. The point is that the Motorola vs. Apple lawsuit is just a other lawsuit in a dirty game that everybody is playing, not some sort of white knight move Google is doing in retaliation of Apple vs. Samsung, an assumption fueled by the "high horse Apple disdain".
It's not hard to find cases where Motorola, and by proxy Google, is suing other companies for IP patents.
http://mobile.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-03/nokia-motorola-mobility-stichting-bdo-intellectual-property
Google is as dirty as everybody else, but they are pretty good at being two-faced with their "Do No Evil" mantra, which once meant something.
By the way, the first punch in this whole mess was thrown by Nokia *against Apple*, and the first blood was drawn by Microsoft against HTC.
As far as "high horse Apple disdain" goes, your horse doesn't have to be particularly high to have moral qualms with Apple's business practices. Selling their patents to a patent troll isn't even one of the big ones. I get more worked up over the quality of the Chinese labor and the fact that you eventually encounter child labor down the Apple production line.
If you carefully read the article, you will notice that the source of information is Apple's own Supplier Responsibility Report. In other words, this is Apple auditing and calling out their own suppliers' labor conditions in reports Apple makes public every year. If anything, Apple is the one that is doing something to improve working conditions, although there is still a way to go:
http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINL2E8JLD4D20120822?irpc=932
The funny part of "Foxconngate" is that Apple was often called out over the information they themselves made available.
Meanwhile, Samsung gets called out by a third party over the same labor conditions:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Watchdog-group-says-Samsung-manufacturer-using-child-labor_id33500
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Everything Apple makes is stolen from someone and somehow they always get away with it.
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This is going to turn out into a big and ugly mess. Hope everything gets resolved for the better.
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On August 29 2012 07:54 TranceKuja wrote:
Everything Apple makes is stolen from someone and somehow they always get away with it.
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Justice will be served? I dunno but Samsung gets sued and losing over the fact that their smartphones have a rectangular screen is ridiculous imo -_-
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On August 29 2012 15:43 ZachFreeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 07:54 TranceKuja wrote:
Everything Apple makes is stolen from someone and somehow they always get away with it. Not anymore
Google is tiny in comparison to Apple and Samsung, and going after iProducts is a tall, TALL order. What Google is doing is not so great, it's just more acceptable because they're not an immoral piece of shit corporation like Apple.
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when I saw that before I was like "nah, probably a troll" right when I saw that.
also
pennies > nickles
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When I was young and naive, I thought patents only applied to actual, like, technology.
I mean, some company invents the LCD? That's patent worthy.
Somebody makes a functional touchscreen? Ditto.
Somebody says, "Let's drag things around on a touchscreen"? Not a patent.
But that's just me and my common sense.
This whole situation is absurd.
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This is awesome don't throw stones in glass houses.
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As a resident of Sunnyvale, CA, very close to the Headquarters of both companies, I look forward to it evolving into epic street gang wars with Apple's Army, armed with i-devices and iPads as shields against the bicycle-riding, Android device toting Google Horde armed with enough videos of cute cats to melt the polar ice caps, crash in combat.
May the shrewdest company win, and may god have mercy on all our souls if the war spills to the populace
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On August 31 2012 07:38 VGhost wrote:
When I was young and naive, I thought patents only applied to actual, like, technology.
I mean, some company invents the LCD? That's patent worthy.
Somebody makes a functional touchscreen? Ditto.
Somebody says, "Let's drag things around on a touchscreen"? Not a patent.
But that's just me and my common sense.
This whole situation is absurd.
Well that was the case in Motorola vs Apple originally, the fact that the patent deemed to be infringed upon is simply called an "industry standard" which means that everyone must have this, however the 7 that google found are very particular and very precise, however most of the new apple products no longer use them, but instead most are made by Qualcomm I do believe. I think that somethings are bullshit and that if you can infringe on the way something zooms in (pinch method), but not something deemable as an industry standard is quite retarded. If only we could stop lobbyism, maybe something could actually be done about patent standards.
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On August 29 2012 15:43 ZachFreeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 07:54 TranceKuja wrote:
Everything Apple makes is stolen from someone and somehow they always get away with it. Not anymore
That's funny because Apple initially stole from Xerox with Microsoft so this whole law suit is kinda completely ridiculous, trying to strangle the competition by suing them is pathetic. I really dislike Apple for this crap.
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What's up with all the bullshit warnings in this thread? lol. Guy posts a gif of someone eating popcorn. WARNING!
I hope apple loses the case. With their rediculous lawsuit against samsung, they deserve anything that happens to them at this point.
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Edit: the above post shows how silly the "smartphone wars" have become. Pick something to demonize, it deserves bad things because it sued samsung. Come on
This is silly. While everyone has smartphones, I believe the apple hating is kind of unreasonable.
Iphones are worse than droids, but they are competitive and not noticeably worse to the average person/even someone who does complex computing may prefer or not mind an iphone.
Apple sued. It certainly does seem to be that google suing was an affect of this, but apple getting a taste of its own medicine is kinda silly. They're just suing because they can and when one person starts its an obligation to continue until everyone's even.
Things like "please win" show a lack of....quality of discussion. it would be more pleasing to discuss the plausibility of the case, what precedent samsung has set, and if apple suing set it all into motion without relics of iphone vs android showing up.
But, I digress.
Edit: will someone state to what extent and in what ways apple is an "immoral piece of shit company"? Perhaps i misunderstand this view
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On August 31 2012 08:39 xParadoxi wrote:
What's up with all the bullshit warnings in this thread? lol. Guy posts a gif of someone eating popcorn. WARNING!
I hope apple loses the case. With their rediculous lawsuit against samsung, they deserve anything that happens to them at this point.
If you had bothered reading the forum rules when you signed up you'd know precisely why they got warned.
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On August 31 2012 08:39 xParadoxi wrote:
What's up with all the bullshit warnings in this thread? lol. Guy posts a gif of someone eating popcorn. WARNING!
I hope apple loses the case. With their rediculous lawsuit against samsung, they deserve anything that happens to them at this point.
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