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Tom Cruise
Profile Joined July 2012
Denmark482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 10:18:09
August 08 2012 10:15 GMT
#221
On August 08 2012 19:14 askTeivospy wrote:
not being able to find hardcopy of something is probably the only reasonable excuse to pirate

that try before you buy excuse just makes me lol though


makes me wonder if people steal food to try it before they buy it the next time they're out shopping, too.

edit: typo.
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
August 08 2012 10:18 GMT
#222
On August 08 2012 18:53 Critter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 18:18 Tom Cruise wrote:
On August 08 2012 18:05 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:
On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on.

Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up...


yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments.

U do realize that there are things that u can't come by right?Im not talking about todays shit that kids listen or the new twilight movie or some other shit...hell i would gladly buy these stuff in original copie instead of downloading them if someone would just give me the chance...


as i've said already, i understand the ups of illegal downloading, though what i want you to realize is, no matter what situation you're in, illegal downloading is not and cannot be justified. of course this thread is not about whether or not it's okay, but the general audience on tl.net tends to think (and in some challenged cases, truly believes) that it's legal or "ok" to download digital products without paying for them, by making up a lot of good arguments as to why piracy is a good thing.

edit: oh, and if you ask someone if it's ok to download an illegal copy of starcraft, the response you'll often get is either "you should go to jail" or "scumbags like you ruin esports"

+ Show Spoiler +

As I've already said, I'd love to pay for and support Game of Thrones when each new season comes out. However, the only option they give me to do such is to purchase cable, and then a special bundle on top of that coming out to around ~$120 a month... just to watch one show. If they sold access to just HBOGO, I'd buy it. If they sold each episode online after the TV premier, I'd buy it. They don't (or at least didn't for the first 2 season, hopefully they learn by season 3).

When the box sets come out, I buy them. I bought season 1 the day it was released, and will do the same with season 2. So tell me where in here I'm costing them money? I'd gladly pay them to watch the show when it's new, but they don't provide anywhere near a reasonable service. So I pirate the show, and support it when the DVD's (blu-rays) come out. The issue here is a failure in service.


Again, I WANT to support HBO, I WANT to support GoT, but they force me to wait almost a year to do it.


And they put a pricetag on the "not having to wait". Exclusivity / Early access is costing more. But you just dont want to pay said price.
Same is true for those "60 buck games". Just wait 6months - 4years, check sales (steam) and you'll be able to get most of it very cheap.

Sure I see the point of "If they offer an online solution, for i.e. people who dont live in the US and cannot access HBO at all, they'd make more money" - but in the end it's their product and they should have (imho) the right to tell people "sucks for you".
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
August 08 2012 10:21 GMT
#223
On August 08 2012 19:14 askTeivospy wrote:
not being able to find hardcopy of something is probably the only reasonable excuse to pirate

that try before you buy excuse just makes me lol though

My thoughts exactly...
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 10:27:25
August 08 2012 10:26 GMT
#224
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DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
August 08 2012 10:26 GMT
#225
People should stop trying to enforce the law upon Net. Nothing good will come of it.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
August 08 2012 10:34 GMT
#226
On August 08 2012 19:26 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:18 Zocat wrote:
On August 08 2012 18:53 Critter wrote:
On August 08 2012 18:18 Tom Cruise wrote:
On August 08 2012 18:05 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:
On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on.

Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up...


yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments.

U do realize that there are things that u can't come by right?Im not talking about todays shit that kids listen or the new twilight movie or some other shit...hell i would gladly buy these stuff in original copie instead of downloading them if someone would just give me the chance...


as i've said already, i understand the ups of illegal downloading, though what i want you to realize is, no matter what situation you're in, illegal downloading is not and cannot be justified. of course this thread is not about whether or not it's okay, but the general audience on tl.net tends to think (and in some challenged cases, truly believes) that it's legal or "ok" to download digital products without paying for them, by making up a lot of good arguments as to why piracy is a good thing.

edit: oh, and if you ask someone if it's ok to download an illegal copy of starcraft, the response you'll often get is either "you should go to jail" or "scumbags like you ruin esports"

+ Show Spoiler +

As I've already said, I'd love to pay for and support Game of Thrones when each new season comes out. However, the only option they give me to do such is to purchase cable, and then a special bundle on top of that coming out to around ~$120 a month... just to watch one show. If they sold access to just HBOGO, I'd buy it. If they sold each episode online after the TV premier, I'd buy it. They don't (or at least didn't for the first 2 season, hopefully they learn by season 3).

When the box sets come out, I buy them. I bought season 1 the day it was released, and will do the same with season 2. So tell me where in here I'm costing them money? I'd gladly pay them to watch the show when it's new, but they don't provide anywhere near a reasonable service. So I pirate the show, and support it when the DVD's (blu-rays) come out. The issue here is a failure in service.


Again, I WANT to support HBO, I WANT to support GoT, but they force me to wait almost a year to do it.


And they put a pricetag on the "not having to wait". Exclusivity / Early access is costing more. But you just dont want to pay said price.
Same is true for those "60 buck games". Just wait 6months - 4years, check sales (steam) and you'll be able to get most of it very cheap.

Sure I see the point of "If they offer an online solution, for i.e. people who dont live in the US and cannot access HBO at all, they'd make more money" - but in the end it's their product and they should have (imho) the right to tell people "sucks for you".

Meanwhile, I can say, "sucks for you that I can pirate it instead of bending to your ridiculous terms".

If companies don't adapt, people will keep pirating, and they will only have themselves to blame.

you could also just not buy it? it's not like you NEED to have the product.

honestly, if you're gonna pirate, then no one's gonna stop you. but don't go around acting like you're doing people favours by pirating.
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Sephy90
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1785 Posts
August 08 2012 10:35 GMT
#227
FUCK NO!
"So I turned the lights off at night and practiced by myself"
Critter
Profile Joined January 2011
United States196 Posts
August 08 2012 10:39 GMT
#228
On August 08 2012 19:18 Zocat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 18:53 Critter wrote:
On August 08 2012 18:18 Tom Cruise wrote:
On August 08 2012 18:05 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:
On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on.

Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up...


yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments.

U do realize that there are things that u can't come by right?Im not talking about todays shit that kids listen or the new twilight movie or some other shit...hell i would gladly buy these stuff in original copie instead of downloading them if someone would just give me the chance...


as i've said already, i understand the ups of illegal downloading, though what i want you to realize is, no matter what situation you're in, illegal downloading is not and cannot be justified. of course this thread is not about whether or not it's okay, but the general audience on tl.net tends to think (and in some challenged cases, truly believes) that it's legal or "ok" to download digital products without paying for them, by making up a lot of good arguments as to why piracy is a good thing.

edit: oh, and if you ask someone if it's ok to download an illegal copy of starcraft, the response you'll often get is either "you should go to jail" or "scumbags like you ruin esports"

+ Show Spoiler +

As I've already said, I'd love to pay for and support Game of Thrones when each new season comes out. However, the only option they give me to do such is to purchase cable, and then a special bundle on top of that coming out to around ~$120 a month... just to watch one show. If they sold access to just HBOGO, I'd buy it. If they sold each episode online after the TV premier, I'd buy it. They don't (or at least didn't for the first 2 season, hopefully they learn by season 3).

When the box sets come out, I buy them. I bought season 1 the day it was released, and will do the same with season 2. So tell me where in here I'm costing them money? I'd gladly pay them to watch the show when it's new, but they don't provide anywhere near a reasonable service. So I pirate the show, and support it when the DVD's (blu-rays) come out. The issue here is a failure in service.


Again, I WANT to support HBO, I WANT to support GoT, but they force me to wait almost a year to do it.


And they put a pricetag on the "not having to wait". Exclusivity / Early access is costing more. But you just dont want to pay said price.
Same is true for those "60 buck games". Just wait 6months - 4years, check sales (steam) and you'll be able to get most of it very cheap.

Sure I see the point of "If they offer an online solution, for i.e. people who dont live in the US and cannot access HBO at all, they'd make more money" - but in the end it's their product and they should have (imho) the right to tell people "sucks for you".


Sure, they have the right to spit in paying customers faces, but it's bad business and gains them no sympathy from me. What I do (pirate the shows on release, then buy the blu-rays when they come out) costs HBO nothing. The only difference between this and having a friend tape it for me, or going to his house to watch it live/on DVR, is that I get it an hour after the show is released instead of another time. What HBO does (refuses to offer a reasonable price by expecting me to pay ~$360 for one show) is costing them money.

I've said I'd gladly pay for HBOGO if they offered it to non-cable purchasers, and I'd gladly pay a reasonable price on a per episode basis, but no where in the market is $36 a reasonable price for one episode of TV. Sure, it's their right to set that, but that just means I'm going to pirate and mourn only the fact that HBO doesn't give a reasonable way to support them.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
August 08 2012 10:54 GMT
#229
Damn, I only just got an invite a month ago or so.

Sad news, internet "laws" really need a revamp because it seems that it's just a shitfest on every side because there's nothing clearly defined.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 10:59:47
August 08 2012 10:58 GMT
#230
On August 08 2012 05:31 acker wrote:
Someday people in high places will realize that shutting down torrent sites is a useless and futile endeavor.

Or maybe someday legislators will be able to pass another SOPA somehow.


As long as corporations can funnel countless funds to politicians and no real campaign finance reform is passed (Citizens United opened the flood gates), there will always be these type of legislative attempts where a SOPA spin-off will try to be passed a few times a per year or so.

As a user of Demonoid in the past, all I can say is RIP to it
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
August 08 2012 11:06 GMT
#231
On August 08 2012 16:22 R3DT1D3 wrote:
There's a difference between pirating because you have no other realistic means and pirating because you don't want to pay. The problem is that there's no way to distinguish would be customers and people who just want to have their cake and eat it too.


There is no problem, because you can still make profits, and the number of people who would buy things if they couldn't get them for free is complete conjecture.

I for one would simply not watch most things.

I pirated Firefly because I heard it was good.

I now own the box set, I went to see Serenity in the theater, and own that DVD as well.

Without pirating, they would have $0. Now they have something over $100.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
August 08 2012 11:08 GMT
#232
On August 08 2012 19:15 Tom Cruise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:14 askTeivospy wrote:
not being able to find hardcopy of something is probably the only reasonable excuse to pirate

that try before you buy excuse just makes me lol though


makes me wonder if people steal food to try it before they buy it the next time they're out shopping, too.

edit: typo.


What a fucking terrible analogy. Stealing food and eating it destroys the food.

How about trying pants on before you buy them? How about borrowing a shirt from a friend and wearing it for a day and deciding you like how it looks?
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
August 08 2012 11:09 GMT
#233
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Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
August 08 2012 11:14 GMT
#234
On August 08 2012 20:08 yeint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:15 Tom Cruise wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:14 askTeivospy wrote:
not being able to find hardcopy of something is probably the only reasonable excuse to pirate

that try before you buy excuse just makes me lol though


makes me wonder if people steal food to try it before they buy it the next time they're out shopping, too.

edit: typo.


What a fucking terrible analogy. Stealing food and eating it destroys the food.

How about trying pants on before you buy them? How about borrowing a shirt from a friend and wearing it for a day and deciding you like how it looks?

Still bad, you'll never actually own the pants/shirt until you buy it. Someone will want it back and you'll have to give it to them, whereas this album I pirated? Dont have to pay a cent, dont have to give it back, etc. I pirate stuff all the time and even I think some of these excuses are so lol that it makes me sad.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 11:28:46
August 08 2012 11:16 GMT
#235
On August 08 2012 19:15 Tom Cruise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 19:14 askTeivospy wrote:
not being able to find hardcopy of something is probably the only reasonable excuse to pirate

that try before you buy excuse just makes me lol though


makes me wonder if people steal food to try it before they buy it the next time they're out shopping, too.

edit: typo.

Because a infinitely replicable medium that has practically no cost to do so is of course the exact same thing as food.
If you really think that way than you have no idea what your talking about and the problematic behind the laws that we currently have in place.
Cackle™
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
August 08 2012 11:23 GMT
#236
I'm honestly shocked at the number of people who think that it's acceptable to pirate media for any reason. I'm especially shocked that it's so prevalent in a community that's supposedly as upstanding as TeamLiquid. YOU guys need the reality check, not the internet laws...
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 11:34:18
August 08 2012 11:23 GMT
#237
^i respectfully disagree sir. keep thinking everything these corporations are doing is right and that our government has any of our interests in mind. What could possibly go wrong. YOU need a reality check

It's ok to be conservative, delusional and to refuse change, really.

On August 08 2012 17:56 maartendq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 16:46 StarStrider wrote:
On August 08 2012 16:40 logikly wrote:
On August 08 2012 16:28 overt wrote:
On August 08 2012 16:25 logikly wrote:
On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:
On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on.

Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up...


yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments.


Exactly, and this is why the generation of today is such trash. They demand everything for free and they do not correlate that torrenting is actually stealing. Damn the governments for enforcing anti stealing laws. If you want censorship of internet go to the Middle East or china and find out what censored internet really is.


If you are young, then I hope you get a bit more mature as you grow up.

If you're older, seriously fuck you buddy. You really didn't add anything to this discussion and called an entire generation of people trash.


Love the non sequitur, when you're actually able to argue my point please do. I generalize a generation by a few? Have you ever listened to people talk or read any of the threads about piracy places being shut down. The overwhelming consensus is that is Bullshit when in reality its perfectly legitimate to be done.


It's only perfectly legitimate because lobbyists in the pockets of IP holdings and record congloms have paid off government to make it illegal. We live in a Corporatocracy not a Democracy, or are you living in a fantasy world where every man is truly free and every voice is heard?

So basically you're angry because the government shut down a service that allowed you to illegally download (read: steal) stuff? Talk about being a hypocrite.

it wasn't hypocrite in the slightest. talk about making up random bs.
Besides when u steal something, it's gone. stealing isn't the same thing as copying.

He's making more sense than you.
aCePikNik
Profile Joined May 2011
United States69 Posts
August 08 2012 11:29 GMT
#238
So did the investigators copy the user database? I had like over 1.5tb uploaded and close to 900gb downloaded and I live in the US. Hopefully I don't get a knock on my door. And I had gotten a few notifications from my ISP of copyright infringement. Makes me sorta paranoid, but that may be for other reasons..
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yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
August 08 2012 11:31 GMT
#239
On August 08 2012 20:14 Jojo131 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 20:08 yeint wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:15 Tom Cruise wrote:
On August 08 2012 19:14 askTeivospy wrote:
not being able to find hardcopy of something is probably the only reasonable excuse to pirate

that try before you buy excuse just makes me lol though


makes me wonder if people steal food to try it before they buy it the next time they're out shopping, too.

edit: typo.


What a fucking terrible analogy. Stealing food and eating it destroys the food.

How about trying pants on before you buy them? How about borrowing a shirt from a friend and wearing it for a day and deciding you like how it looks?

Still bad, you'll never actually own the pants/shirt until you buy it. Someone will want it back and you'll have to give it to them, whereas this album I pirated? Dont have to pay a cent, dont have to give it back, etc. I pirate stuff all the time and even I think some of these excuses are so lol that it makes me sad.


They only want it back because they don't have a shirt while you're keeping it.

The relevant part of the analogy is that nothing is removed from the original owner.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 11:33:13
August 08 2012 11:31 GMT
#240
On August 08 2012 20:29 aCePikNik wrote:
So did the investigators copy the user database? I had like over 1.5tb uploaded and close to 900gb downloaded and I live in the US. Hopefully I don't get a knock on my door. And I had gotten a few notifications from my ISP of copyright infringement. Makes me sorta paranoid, but that may be for other reasons..

you know they did. and since they did this for the US, the FBI has the DB by now 100% sure.
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