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I could have lived without torrenting music/TV-shows/movies, but Demonoid had my audiobooks... Sad sad panda
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(kick ass torrents) is also a great site, I actually use this more than pirate bay
as for demonoid, good bye sweet prince ): had 700+ gigs down/upped there
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On August 08 2012 16:28 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 16:25 logikly wrote:On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on. Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up... yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments. Exactly, and this is why the generation of today is such trash. They demand everything for free and they do not correlate that torrenting is actually stealing. Damn the governments for enforcing anti stealing laws. If you want censorship of internet go to the Middle East or china and find out what censored internet really is. If you are young, then I hope you get a bit more mature as you grow up. If you're older, seriously fuck you buddy. You really didn't add anything to this discussion and called an entire generation of people trash.
Love the non sequitur, when you're actually able to argue my point please do. I generalize a generation by a few? Have you ever listened to people talk or read any of the threads about piracy places being shut down. The overwhelming consensus is that is Bullshit when in reality its perfectly legitimate to be done.
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Trying to kill torrent sites will never work, probably 3 pop up for every 1 you "block"
Even the blocked ones are still accessible with a workaround :\
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On August 08 2012 16:41 Nekovivie wrote:
Trying to kill torrent sites will never work, probably 3 pop up for every 1 you "block"
Even the blocked ones are still accessible with a workaround :\
while this may be true; i still fail to understand why people get upset when they do.
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On August 08 2012 16:32 ampson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 16:24 StarStrider wrote:On August 08 2012 16:17 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 08 2012 12:42 StarStrider wrote:On August 08 2012 12:09 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 08 2012 11:57 StarStrider wrote:
My two cents on the pirating debate: I'm of the opinion that if the art is good enough, the revenue will follow, even if you use a pay-what-you-want model. Forcing people to pay a premium exorbitant price for art is the true robbery. I don't believe art should be free for the sake of being art, but true artists will strive to make it accessible to all, as that is the true purpose: enjoyment by the most number that can appreciate it. If it is out of reach of lower incomes, it simply won't be purchased...then what was the point to begin with? If you say profits, I don't believe you have a true appreciation for art. Art producers should strive to make their work available and free as possible while still able to fund the project and future projects. Forcing people to pay exorbitant prices for pure shit, and also exorbitant prices for gems, cheapens the intrinsic value of art of that particular genre, and also makes investing in a piece of art risky since you cannot 'return' it once you have it. Letting people decide what they think it is worth, even if there will be people that abuse that model, is still the best way to respect art. I am of the opinion that any other argument is just supporting extortive corporatism and consumerism, devaluing the art and the customer, and making something that should reflect the creativity and fluidity displayed by the art itself into something systematic and dull. Artists shouldn't have to starve, but it speaks to the fact that our art distribution system is fucked up that when you 'make it', as an artist, you are suddenly in the elite income bracket, and a hummer limousine with hot tub, and private learjet are suddenly nothing to you.
There is no robbery involved and even as an expression that's silly. If you don't want to want to pay for it, then don't pay for it? No one is forcing anything here. Extortion is a form of robbery though, but I didn't intend on that figure of speech being taken literally, just saying that if either side is more like stealing, it would be the corporations charging a flat 25$ for a DVD and 80$ for a game... This price model goes WAAYY beyond just compensation for services rendered, and into the realm of profiteering. I am being forced to pay these prices for mainstream art as there is no other choice for me.. If I could pay what I want, I would pay for it based on the quality or enjoyment I would expect out of it. As is, the only alternative to paying exorbitant prices is to pirate it. You cannot honestly argue that the net worth of these artists and companies reflects 'fair' pricing can you? I like the analogy of the friend letting his buddy borrow a DVD. I guess we should prosecute them by record company standards. How is it different? And how would they see an increase in profits if we did prosecute them? If anything, encouraging sharing is free advertising... if the content is good enough to make a new fan consider buying it, who otherwise would never consider spending on their 'product', I think it is a great thing. The wise companies are the ones who respect their art and the art appreciaters by making it as available as possible, then the profits come after that. I think it's up to a business to price their own product however they want, and I don't see an issue if games were $100 each and DVDs were $50. You aren't entitled to media entertainment. Right but they know they can't sell it at that pricepoint without blowback. Based on their research they have priced it at the near perfect point between loss of significant profits due to refusal and blowback, to the point far less profit of reasonably and respectfully priced entertainment, due to complacency and convenience and miraculously effective marketing. What I purport is changing the game by more people pirating such that it sends a message of refusal to accept the status quo.. to media conglomerates. You can tell them that a high price point is unacceptable by simply not buying the game. When you torrent the game, you have committed a crime. Voting with your wallet is different from pirating.
No, because I want to play it, or want to at least try it, but I don't want to buy an unrefundable game without knowing if I like it. Bringing morality or legality into it does nothing to talk about 'why we pirate' and trying to curtail it, it only makes you look judgemental. Let's talk about fixing the problem, which is copyright laws and lack of demos, lack of compromise on sites like Hulu and Grooveshark, or lack of recognition of the validity of the pay-what-you-like model. If you support laws that further corporate greed like copyright laws that call on government to raid servers, you support corporate lobbyist that paid governments off to buy powers to do so. Are you proud of supporting this right to curtail freedom of information in the name of greed?
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Havent used demoniod in ages, but I had an account and thought the site was pretty good. Checked it this morning and was greeted with an error, but I didnt think much of it. Well that kind of sucks. I hope they dont go for other file hosting sites too.
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Heh, I don't really use Demonoid anyway. But if they start to go after private torrents, I'm gonna be a sad panda.
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On August 08 2012 16:40 logikly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 16:28 overt wrote:On August 08 2012 16:25 logikly wrote:On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on. Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up... yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments. Exactly, and this is why the generation of today is such trash. They demand everything for free and they do not correlate that torrenting is actually stealing. Damn the governments for enforcing anti stealing laws. If you want censorship of internet go to the Middle East or china and find out what censored internet really is. If you are young, then I hope you get a bit more mature as you grow up. If you're older, seriously fuck you buddy. You really didn't add anything to this discussion and called an entire generation of people trash. Love the non sequitur, when you're actually able to argue my point please do. I generalize a generation by a few? Have you ever listened to people talk or read any of the threads about piracy places being shut down. The overwhelming consensus is that is Bullshit when in reality its perfectly legitimate to be done.
It's only perfectly legitimate because lobbyists in the pockets of IP holdings and record congloms have paid off government to make it illegal. We live in a Corporatocracy not a Democracy, or are you living in a fantasy world where every man is truly free and every voice is heard?
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On August 08 2012 16:40 logikly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 16:28 overt wrote:On August 08 2012 16:25 logikly wrote:On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on. Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up... yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments. Exactly, and this is why the generation of today is such trash. They demand everything for free and they do not correlate that torrenting is actually stealing. Damn the governments for enforcing anti stealing laws. If you want censorship of internet go to the Middle East or china and find out what censored internet really is. If you are young, then I hope you get a bit more mature as you grow up. If you're older, seriously fuck you buddy. You really didn't add anything to this discussion and called an entire generation of people trash. Love the non sequitur, when you're actually able to argue my point please do. I generalize a generation by a few? Have you ever listened to people talk or read any of the threads about piracy places being shut down. The overwhelming consensus is that is Bullshit when in reality its perfectly legitimate to be done.
You're on a website about professional video games. Most people in their early twenties don't even know how to torrent.
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On August 08 2012 16:54 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 16:40 logikly wrote:On August 08 2012 16:28 overt wrote:On August 08 2012 16:25 logikly wrote:On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on. Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up... yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments. Exactly, and this is why the generation of today is such trash. They demand everything for free and they do not correlate that torrenting is actually stealing. Damn the governments for enforcing anti stealing laws. If you want censorship of internet go to the Middle East or china and find out what censored internet really is. If you are young, then I hope you get a bit more mature as you grow up. If you're older, seriously fuck you buddy. You really didn't add anything to this discussion and called an entire generation of people trash. Love the non sequitur, when you're actually able to argue my point please do. I generalize a generation by a few? Have you ever listened to people talk or read any of the threads about piracy places being shut down. The overwhelming consensus is that is Bullshit when in reality its perfectly legitimate to be done. You're on a website about professional video games. Most people in their early twenties don't even know how to torrent.
that's a very bold statement.
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On August 08 2012 16:46 StarStrider wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 16:40 logikly wrote:On August 08 2012 16:28 overt wrote:On August 08 2012 16:25 logikly wrote:On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on. Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up... yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments. Exactly, and this is why the generation of today is such trash. They demand everything for free and they do not correlate that torrenting is actually stealing. Damn the governments for enforcing anti stealing laws. If you want censorship of internet go to the Middle East or china and find out what censored internet really is. If you are young, then I hope you get a bit more mature as you grow up. If you're older, seriously fuck you buddy. You really didn't add anything to this discussion and called an entire generation of people trash. Love the non sequitur, when you're actually able to argue my point please do. I generalize a generation by a few? Have you ever listened to people talk or read any of the threads about piracy places being shut down. The overwhelming consensus is that is Bullshit when in reality its perfectly legitimate to be done. It's only perfectly legitimate because lobbyists in the pockets of IP holdings and record congloms have paid off government to make it illegal. We live in a Corporatocracy not a Democracy, or are you living in a fantasy world where every man is truly free and every voice is heard?
So basically you're angry because the government shut down a service that allowed you to illegally download (read: steal) stuff? Talk about being a hypocrite.
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I don't get what the big deal is in this thread, lol.
People trying to justify pirating copyrighted games, movies, and music is just hilarious. We're all law breakers and thieves. Get over it. You're not winning yourself any points by being defensive about it.
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On August 08 2012 17:49 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 16:54 overt wrote:On August 08 2012 16:40 logikly wrote:On August 08 2012 16:28 overt wrote:On August 08 2012 16:25 logikly wrote:On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on. Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up... yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments. Exactly, and this is why the generation of today is such trash. They demand everything for free and they do not correlate that torrenting is actually stealing. Damn the governments for enforcing anti stealing laws. If you want censorship of internet go to the Middle East or china and find out what censored internet really is. If you are young, then I hope you get a bit more mature as you grow up. If you're older, seriously fuck you buddy. You really didn't add anything to this discussion and called an entire generation of people trash. Love the non sequitur, when you're actually able to argue my point please do. I generalize a generation by a few? Have you ever listened to people talk or read any of the threads about piracy places being shut down. The overwhelming consensus is that is Bullshit when in reality its perfectly legitimate to be done. You're on a website about professional video games. Most people in their early twenties don't even know how to torrent. that's a very bold statement.
In America at least it's pretty damn true.
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On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on. Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up... yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments.
U do realize that there are things that u can't come by right?Im not talking about todays shit that kids listen or the new twilight movie or some other shit...hell i would gladly buy these stuff in original copie instead of downloading them if someone would just give me the chance...
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On August 08 2012 18:05 Zerg.Zilla wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on. Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up... yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments. U do realize that there are things that u can't come by right?Im not talking about todays shit that kids listen or the new twilight movie or some other shit...hell i would gladly buy these stuff in original copie instead of downloading them if someone would just give me the chance...
as i've said already, i understand the ups of illegal downloading, though what i want you to realize is, no matter what situation you're in, illegal downloading is not and cannot be justified. of course this thread is not about whether or not it's okay, but the general audience on tl.net tends to think (and in some challenged cases, truly believes) that it's legal or "ok" to download digital products without paying for them, by making up a lot of good arguments as to why piracy is a good thing.
edit: oh, and if you ask someone if it's ok to download an illegal copy of starcraft, the response you'll often get is either "you should go to jail" or "scumbags like you ruin esports"
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On August 08 2012 18:18 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 18:05 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on. Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up... yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments. U do realize that there are things that u can't come by right?Im not talking about todays shit that kids listen or the new twilight movie or some other shit...hell i would gladly buy these stuff in original copie instead of downloading them if someone would just give me the chance... as i've said already, i understand the ups of illegal downloading, though what i want you to realize is, no matter what situation you're in, illegal downloading is not and cannot be justified. of course this thread is not about whether or not it's okay, but the general audience on tl.net tends to think (and in some challenged cases, truly believes) that it's legal or "ok" to download digital products without paying for them, by making up a lot of good arguments as to why piracy is a good thing. edit: oh, and if you ask someone if it's ok to download an illegal copy of starcraft, the response you'll often get is either "you should go to jail" or "scumbags like you ruin esports"
As I've already said, I'd love to pay for and support Game of Thrones when each new season comes out. However, the only option they give me to do such is to purchase cable, and then a special bundle on top of that coming out to around ~$120 a month... just to watch one show. If they sold access to just HBOGO, I'd buy it. If they sold each episode online after the TV premier, I'd buy it. They don't (or at least didn't for the first 2 season, hopefully they learn by season 3).
When the box sets come out, I buy them. I bought season 1 the day it was released, and will do the same with season 2. So tell me where in here I'm costing them money? I'd gladly pay them to watch the show when it's new, but they don't provide anywhere near a reasonable service. So I pirate the show, and support it when the DVD's (blu-rays) come out. The issue here is a failure in service.
Again, I WANT to support HBO, I WANT to support GoT, but they force me to wait almost a year to do it.
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On August 08 2012 18:18 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 18:05 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on. Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up... yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments. U do realize that there are things that u can't come by right?Im not talking about todays shit that kids listen or the new twilight movie or some other shit...hell i would gladly buy these stuff in original copie instead of downloading them if someone would just give me the chance... as i've said already, i understand the ups of illegal downloading, though what i want you to realize is, no matter what situation you're in, illegal downloading is not and cannot be justified. of course this thread is not about whether or not it's okay, but the general audience on tl.net tends to think (and in some challenged cases, truly believes) that it's legal or "ok" to download digital products without paying for them, by making up a lot of good arguments as to why piracy is a good thing. edit: oh, and if you ask someone if it's ok to download an illegal copy of starcraft, the response you'll often get is either "you should go to jail" or "scumbags like you ruin esports"
I agree partially... ppl who download illegal copy of Starcraft instead of buying it are truly scumbags ...but try to get your hands on a Big Bill Broonzy album,you can't.So fuck me,right?...
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On August 08 2012 19:01 Zerg.Zilla wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 18:18 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 18:05 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On August 08 2012 16:20 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 15:59 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On August 08 2012 15:51 SmokeMonster wrote:
I am OK as long as The Pirate Bay lives on. Yeah dude but the question is how long?Fucking governments!Everything starts to get fucked up... yeah, who would ever want to pay for something good like music that others put work, time and money into. damn governments. U do realize that there are things that u can't come by right?Im not talking about todays shit that kids listen or the new twilight movie or some other shit...hell i would gladly buy these stuff in original copie instead of downloading them if someone would just give me the chance... as i've said already, i understand the ups of illegal downloading, though what i want you to realize is, no matter what situation you're in, illegal downloading is not and cannot be justified. of course this thread is not about whether or not it's okay, but the general audience on tl.net tends to think (and in some challenged cases, truly believes) that it's legal or "ok" to download digital products without paying for them, by making up a lot of good arguments as to why piracy is a good thing. edit: oh, and if you ask someone if it's ok to download an illegal copy of starcraft, the response you'll often get is either "you should go to jail" or "scumbags like you ruin esports" I agree partially... ppl who download illegal copy of Starcraft instead of buying it are truly scumbags ...but try to get your hands on a Big Bill Broonzy album,you can't.So fuck me,right?...
that's because you're probably passionate about starcraft and you want to support it as much as you can. a big bill broonzy album is probably just music to you, good music as it may be, it's not on your list of "work that i want to support." now, i assume it's because you don't have physical access to the album in any store, so that's one of the many great arguments as to why piracy is a good thing. besides, big bill probably wont find any use of the money, lol. + Show Spoiler +inb4 some dude says "herp derp so now you're saying it's ok?" no, the guy is dead.
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not being able to find hardcopy of something is probably the only reasonable excuse to pirate
that try before you buy excuse just makes me lol though
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