On May 08 2012 23:14 Tunkeg wrote: Maybe sometime in the future humans will have become intelligent enough to work out a system that can make capitalism history. The flaws of capitalism is many, but as of right now it is the best system. There is much I would like to say on the topic, but I will summarize it:
- The differences in the world are perverted. - Our workcapital is spent wrong. - The need of the many should trumph the greed of the few. - People working together towards a common goal and a common increase in quality of life have an incredible work ethics. - No such change will ever occur until the humanrace have evolved past greed and power (Not likely that it will happend).
- The differences in the world are perverted. - Our workcapital is spent in a way you don't like - The need of the many should trumph the greed of the few. How many for how few? How much is one person's need worth versus one person's greed? - People working together towards a common goal and a common increase in quality of life have an incredible work ethics. Yeah they do, as long as they feel they will benefit in proportion to the work they give. - No such change will ever occur until the humanrace have evolved past greed and power (Not likely that it will happend). Not everyone considers losing the need for motivation an evolution.
Something you need to realize is that capitalism already answers these questions.
Something else to realize? Everyone in the world can't have a refridgerator, and a gaming computer, and a cell phone, and microwaves, and cars, and tablets, and 2 TVs, big monitors, a stereo system, surround sound.
You know, all these things everyone around here takes for granted? You've gotta give those up if you want the entire world to have a "reasonable" existence.
If you rewrite Our workcapital is spent in a way you don't like to Our workcapital is spent in a way you think is wrong we agree. I neither like or dislike it. For me personal I don't care if people spend their lifes as hairdressers and make up artists, it doesn't affect me at all. But I think that is wrong use of workcapital.
Need is more worth than greed period.
You think the only motivation we have is greed and power then? If it is we certantly need to evolve.
Capitalism is not perfect, and never will be (and certantly don't have the answer for all questions). It is however better than all other systems we have had thus far...
Sadly not all can have all of that, as we are fairly overpopulated. Another reason why a better system would be preferable.
I don't have to give up anything as there won't be any changes in my lifetime. I would not work towards such changes either, I picked the golden ticket in the lottery and was born in a country where I can have all those things no matter what I do. I am as greedy and as selfish as the rest (maybe even more), but I do realize that what is best for me, not nessarily is best for the world as a whole.
Capitalism has given what we enjoy today, if you like it or not. Where capitalism is not allowed to thrive, people suffer in far greater numbers. If Capitalism isn't perfect, every other idea is even less perfect...and this OP? It isn't even "Good"
That is like saying kings were responsible for whatever their subjects invented and it was thanks to the king it did Technology is responsibile for our improvements regardless of what system we use, The system proposed is just superior and adapted to 21st century not the 19th century like our current system.
And if you still belive captalism is the most driving force in innovation your even wrong there it has been proven time and time again that health and stability creates greater minds then monetary based incentive.
On May 08 2012 23:14 Tunkeg wrote: Maybe sometime in the future humans will have become intelligent enough to work out a system that can make capitalism history. The flaws of capitalism is many, but as of right now it is the best system. There is much I would like to say on the topic, but I will summarize it:
- The differences in the world are perverted. - Our workcapital is spent wrong. - The need of the many should trumph the greed of the few. - People working together towards a common goal and a common increase in quality of life have an incredible work ethics. - No such change will ever occur until the humanrace have evolved past greed and power (Not likely that it will happend).
- The differences in the world are perverted. - Our workcapital is spent in a way you don't like - The need of the many should trumph the greed of the few. How many for how few? How much is one person's need worth versus one person's greed? - People working together towards a common goal and a common increase in quality of life have an incredible work ethics. Yeah they do, as long as they feel they will benefit in proportion to the work they give. - No such change will ever occur until the humanrace have evolved past greed and power (Not likely that it will happend). Not everyone considers losing the need for motivation an evolution.
Something you need to realize is that capitalism already answers these questions.
Something else to realize? Everyone in the world can't have a refridgerator, and a gaming computer, and a cell phone, and microwaves, and cars, and tablets, and 2 TVs, big monitors, a stereo system, surround sound.
You know, all these things everyone around here takes for granted? You've gotta give those up if you want the entire world to have a "reasonable" existence.
If you rewrite Our workcapital is spent in a way you don't like to Our workcapital is spent in a way you think is wrong we agree. I neither like or dislike it. For me personal I don't care if people spend their lifes as hairdressers and make up artists, it doesn't affect me at all. But I think that is wrong use of workcapital.
Need is more worth than greed period.
You think the only motivation we have is greed and power then? If it is we certantly need to evolve.
Capitalism is not perfect, and never will be (and certantly don't have the answer for all questions). It is however better than all other systems we have had thus far...
Sadly not all can have all of that, as we are fairly overpopulated. Another reason why a better system would be preferable.
I don't have to give up anything as there won't be any changes in my lifetime. I would not work towards such changes either, I picked the golden ticket in the lottery and was born in a country where I can have all those things no matter what I do. I am as greedy and as selfish as the rest (maybe even more), but I do realize that what is best for me, not nessarily is best for the world as a whole.
Capitalism has given what we enjoy today, if you like it or not. Where capitalism is not allowed to thrive, people suffer in far greater numbers. If Capitalism isn't perfect, every other idea is even less perfect...and this OP? It isn't even "Good"
That is like saying kings were responsible for whatever their subjects invented and it was thanks to the king it did Technology is responsibile for our improvements regardless of what system we use, The system proposed is just superior and adapted to 21st century not the 19th century like our current system.
And if you still belive captalism is the most driving force in innovation your even wrong there it has been proven time and time again that health and stability creates greater minds then monetary based incentive.
On May 08 2012 23:14 Tunkeg wrote: Maybe sometime in the future humans will have become intelligent enough to work out a system that can make capitalism history. The flaws of capitalism is many, but as of right now it is the best system. There is much I would like to say on the topic, but I will summarize it:
- The differences in the world are perverted. - Our workcapital is spent wrong. - The need of the many should trumph the greed of the few. - People working together towards a common goal and a common increase in quality of life have an incredible work ethics. - No such change will ever occur until the humanrace have evolved past greed and power (Not likely that it will happend).
- The differences in the world are perverted. - Our workcapital is spent in a way you don't like - The need of the many should trumph the greed of the few. How many for how few? How much is one person's need worth versus one person's greed? - People working together towards a common goal and a common increase in quality of life have an incredible work ethics. Yeah they do, as long as they feel they will benefit in proportion to the work they give. - No such change will ever occur until the humanrace have evolved past greed and power (Not likely that it will happend). Not everyone considers losing the need for motivation an evolution.
Something you need to realize is that capitalism already answers these questions.
Something else to realize? Everyone in the world can't have a refridgerator, and a gaming computer, and a cell phone, and microwaves, and cars, and tablets, and 2 TVs, big monitors, a stereo system, surround sound.
You know, all these things everyone around here takes for granted? You've gotta give those up if you want the entire world to have a "reasonable" existence.
If you rewrite Our workcapital is spent in a way you don't like to Our workcapital is spent in a way you think is wrong we agree. I neither like or dislike it. For me personal I don't care if people spend their lifes as hairdressers and make up artists, it doesn't affect me at all. But I think that is wrong use of workcapital.
Need is more worth than greed period.
You think the only motivation we have is greed and power then? If it is we certantly need to evolve.
Capitalism is not perfect, and never will be (and certantly don't have the answer for all questions). It is however better than all other systems we have had thus far...
Sadly not all can have all of that, as we are fairly overpopulated. Another reason why a better system would be preferable.
I don't have to give up anything as there won't be any changes in my lifetime. I would not work towards such changes either, I picked the golden ticket in the lottery and was born in a country where I can have all those things no matter what I do. I am as greedy and as selfish as the rest (maybe even more), but I do realize that what is best for me, not nessarily is best for the world as a whole.
Capitalism has given what we enjoy today, if you like it or not. Where capitalism is not allowed to thrive, people suffer in far greater numbers. If Capitalism isn't perfect, every other idea is even less perfect...and this OP? It isn't even "Good"
That is like saying kings were responsible for whatever their subjects invented and it was thanks to the king it did Technology is responsibile for our improvements regardless of what system we use, The system proposed is just superior and adapted to 21st century not the 19th century like our current system.
And if you still belive captalism is the most driving force in innovation your even wrong there it has been proven time and time again that health and stability creates greater minds then monetary based incentive.
Proven time and time again where in pretend-land?
a tarded question but still one
study even shows that when given monetary incentive it even appear to hinder creative innovation i guess it forms a sort of stress/pressure. I would not expect people to have such an inherit stress connection with monetary gain.
Dont get it messed up tho you still need to offer reward for people to do bullshit stuff that they dont realy want to do.
i wish people we could all try and communicate like this.
On May 08 2012 09:24 DeliCiousVP wrote: To save you guys from further frustration i wanna get this out of the way. Im not wrong here and im the one arguing with reason not personal insults or trying to riddicule. i Suggest that if you cant handle that leave a snyde comment and walk away.
So you're suggesting that since you're not wrong that you are in fact an all-knowing god, that what you say is and shall always be? I beg to disagree. Grow up, learn that your opinion is just one of many, and that you cannot know the truth that exists. There is a truth, but none of us can be sure of all the ways and means, even if we see it.
On May 08 2012 09:24 DeliCiousVP wrote: To save you guys from further frustration i wanna get this out of the way. Im not wrong here and im the one arguing with reason not personal insults or trying to riddicule. i Suggest that if you cant handle that leave a snyde comment and walk away.
So you're suggesting that since you're not wrong that you are in fact an all-knowing god, that what you say is and shall always be? I beg to disagree. Grow up, learn that your opinion is just one of many, and that you cannot know the truth that exists. There is a truth, but none of us can be sure of all the ways and means, even if we see it.
I never claimed to have divine powers, And i think we know judging by the comment you left now who needs to grow up
Thank you for showing what a personal attack is because what you said had no relevance to any of the subjects discussed. Iam also capable of forming opions about people i see write, Few of them flattering but i have the descency to keep them for myself.
On May 08 2012 09:24 DeliCiousVP wrote: To save you guys from further frustration i wanna get this out of the way. Im not wrong here and im the one arguing with reason not personal insults or trying to riddicule. i Suggest that if you cant handle that leave a snyde comment and walk away.
So you're suggesting that since you're not wrong that you are in fact an all-knowing god, that what you say is and shall always be? I beg to disagree. Grow up, learn that your opinion is just one of many, and that you cannot know the truth that exists. There is a truth, but none of us can be sure of all the ways and means, even if we see it.
I never claimed to have divine powers, And i think we know judging by the comment you left now who needs to grow up
Thank you for showing what a personal attack is because what you said had no relevance to any of the subjects discussed. Iam also capable of forming opions about people i see write, Few of them flattering but i have the descency to keep them for myself.
Saying that you're not wrong is more or less just begging for people to challenge you. Just imply that you're open to other ideas and these "attacks" will stop.
On the charter, I think it's interesting but it wouldn't exactly work out and would be incredibly impractical to implement. As of today, one of the primary incentives of life is personal success. And that includes profit. Removing currency removes a key incentive. Perhaps, in a star-trek esq future where everyone is truly driven to better themselves this would work. Today, no.
This thread is insane. We should at least close it for a day to give the defenders some reprieve.
It's the same 2-3 people defending with empty statements for about 35 pages, and everyone else is going in for a hit. All of the effort to reply to our posts, emptily at that, could have been put into an organized, and informative reply or OP devoted to AT LEAST discussing the plausible ways to go about creating this system, or something better than basically saying "It can work man!" when it obviously can't - obvious because the ideal itself is so vague, and about 500 people have provided reasons why it cannot work.
The only wasted resources are those you spend trying to continue on with this. Build a foundation before you start trying to put up the roof.
On May 09 2012 11:42 v3chr0 wrote: This thread is insane. We should at least close it for a day to give the defenders some reprieve.
It's the same 2-3 people defending with empty statements for about 35 pages, and everyone else is going in for a hit. All of the effort to reply to our posts, emptily at that, could have been put into an organized, and informative reply or OP devoted to AT LEAST discussing the plausible ways to go about creating this system, or something better than basically saying "It can work man!" when it obviously can't - obvious because the ideal itself is so vague, and about 500 people have provided reasons why it cannot work.
The only wasted resources are those you spend trying to continue on with this. Build a foundation before you start trying to put up the roof.
Such a circular discussion tends to be the norm on most TL threads these days.
I usually pride myself in reading the entire thread before responding, but really after two pages I was just seeing the same thing over and over again. I don't understand the mentality of people who feel the need to preface a completely unoriginal and oft-repeated thread with 'is it just me that thinks....?' NO IT ISN'T, if you would fucking read the threads you would know this.
Anyway, back to the issue at hand. People as a whole don't have the imagination to move beyond the status quo, and this is why such a scheme is unlikely in the extreme to happen, at least until (if) we develop some kind of post-scarcity level of development. In such an instance material wants are taken care of, it's a pretty interesting branch of sci-fi to look at what happens in the hypothetical worlds upon which material goods are no longer what separate/define people.
Much discussion of radical reformation to our existing political/economic/social structures tend to break down immediately into 'it can never happen' territory. I'm not one to buy into the over-idealistic rants of hippies or whatever, but dismissing any radical idea out of hand is just showing a lack of imagination and creative ingenuity.
There is no real logical reason that a lot of our current political/economic structures should be maintained because it's 'how the world is'. They have developed as to where they are over a large period of time, and to assume that NOW is the time in which these things aren't subject to flux is just deciding arbitrarily.
Capitalism is still screwing people over worldwide, to a huge degree. It may, or indeed may not be the 'least worst' system under which we can operate as a species, but to not examine it and look at other potential ways to structure our societies is short-sighted.
* To clarify I disagree with a lot of what is listed in the charter, I'm not pro-charter but I'm just ranting at the mentality that thinks maintaining a status quo is good in its own sake. If you think our current form of capitalism IS the best system, and have actually looked at the issue, I also think that's an entirely fair viewpoint to hold. I just abhor a lack of analysis/consideration of these issues before comment is passed.
The problem with any and all systems including capitalism is pretty simple. Corruption always rises to the top. A good guy will often give a bad guy another chance. A bad guy will throw a good guy out so he has less competition or problems in the future. That's what is currently happening in America now, corruption has taken hold of the government pretty deep, being in the senate should be an honor and should have minimal pay of 36,000 a year. This is a public job and you do it for the people.
A US Senator makes about 165k a year. Give or take a couple hundred dollars.
Here is what I found:
"Senators who do not hold a leadership position within the Senate are sometimes referred to as “rank and file” senators. These senators all have the same base pay, and it’s a much more than the six dollars a session the first Senators earned back in 1989. How much does a senator make these days? As of 2010, yearly salaries for United States Senators were as follows:
• Basic Senators (no leadership position) – $174,000
• Majority and Minority Leaders – $193,400
• President Pro Tempore – $223,500
• Vice President (President of the Senate) – $230,700 "
On May 09 2012 11:42 v3chr0 wrote: This thread is insane. We should at least close it for a day to give the defenders some reprieve.
It's the same 2-3 people defending with empty statements for about 35 pages, and everyone else is going in for a hit. All of the effort to reply to our posts, emptily at that, could have been put into an organized, and informative reply or OP devoted to AT LEAST discussing the plausible ways to go about creating this system, or something better than basically saying "It can work man!" when it obviously can't - obvious because the ideal itself is so vague, and about 500 people have provided reasons why it cannot work.
The only wasted resources are those you spend trying to continue on with this. Build a foundation before you start trying to put up the roof.
Much discussion of radical reformation to our existing political/economic/social structures tend to break down immediately into 'it can never happen' territory. I'm not one to buy into the over-idealistic rants of hippies or whatever, but dismissing any radical idea out of hand is just showing a lack of imagination and creative ingenuity.
There is no real logical reason that a lot of our current political/economic structures should be maintained because it's 'how the world is'. They have developed as to where they are over a large period of time, and to assume that NOW is the time in which these things aren't subject to flux is just deciding arbitrarily.
Capitalism is still screwing people over worldwide, to a huge degree. It may, or indeed may not be the 'least worst' system under which we can operate as a species, but to not examine it and look at other potential ways to structure our societies is short-sighted.
* To clarify I disagree with a lot of what is listed in the charter, I'm not pro-charter but I'm just ranting at the mentality that thinks maintaining a status quo is good in its own sake. If you think our current form of capitalism IS the best system, and have actually looked at the issue, I also think that's an entirely fair viewpoint to hold. I just abhor a lack of analysis/consideration of these issues before comment is passed.
Communication is the key many however lack the tools and i dont mean gramar or sentence construction. I mean the ability to ask questions. it is so easy to make a statement supported by the status quo rather then fact and reason. People forget tho that the majority never comes up with a new idea.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer
On May 09 2012 11:42 v3chr0 wrote: This thread is insane. We should at least close it for a day to give the defenders some reprieve.
It's the same 2-3 people defending with empty statements for about 35 pages, and everyone else is going in for a hit. All of the effort to reply to our posts, emptily at that, could have been put into an organized, and informative reply or OP devoted to AT LEAST discussing the plausible ways to go about creating this system, or something better than basically saying "It can work man!" when it obviously can't - obvious because the ideal itself is so vague, and about 500 people have provided reasons why it cannot work.
The only wasted resources are those you spend trying to continue on with this. Build a foundation before you start trying to put up the roof.
Much discussion of radical reformation to our existing political/economic/social structures tend to break down immediately into 'it can never happen' territory. I'm not one to buy into the over-idealistic rants of hippies or whatever, but dismissing any radical idea out of hand is just showing a lack of imagination and creative ingenuity.
There is no real logical reason that a lot of our current political/economic structures should be maintained because it's 'how the world is'. They have developed as to where they are over a large period of time, and to assume that NOW is the time in which these things aren't subject to flux is just deciding arbitrarily.
Capitalism is still screwing people over worldwide, to a huge degree. It may, or indeed may not be the 'least worst' system under which we can operate as a species, but to not examine it and look at other potential ways to structure our societies is short-sighted.
* To clarify I disagree with a lot of what is listed in the charter, I'm not pro-charter but I'm just ranting at the mentality that thinks maintaining a status quo is good in its own sake. If you think our current form of capitalism IS the best system, and have actually looked at the issue, I also think that's an entirely fair viewpoint to hold. I just abhor a lack of analysis/consideration of these issues before comment is passed.
Communication is the key many however lack the tools and i dont mean gramar or sentence construction. I mean the ability to ask questions. it is so easy to make a statement supported by the status quo rather then fact and reason. People forget tho that the majority never comes up with a new idea.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer
We've asked you a lot of questions in this thread and you've answered none of them.
The idea isn't new, nor is it violently opposed. Noone in this thread (at least none that I've seen) is against the beauty of the idea, but against the idealism and lack of base in reality. However nice an idea might be doesn't matter if you can't actually get it to work.
Lastly, status quo is based in fact and reason. If you want to argue against it, that's fine, and you should - but when you do so, bring more than just ideals.
On May 09 2012 11:42 v3chr0 wrote: This thread is insane. We should at least close it for a day to give the defenders some reprieve.
It's the same 2-3 people defending with empty statements for about 35 pages, and everyone else is going in for a hit. All of the effort to reply to our posts, emptily at that, could have been put into an organized, and informative reply or OP devoted to AT LEAST discussing the plausible ways to go about creating this system, or something better than basically saying "It can work man!" when it obviously can't - obvious because the ideal itself is so vague, and about 500 people have provided reasons why it cannot work.
The only wasted resources are those you spend trying to continue on with this. Build a foundation before you start trying to put up the roof.
Much discussion of radical reformation to our existing political/economic/social structures tend to break down immediately into 'it can never happen' territory. I'm not one to buy into the over-idealistic rants of hippies or whatever, but dismissing any radical idea out of hand is just showing a lack of imagination and creative ingenuity.
There is no real logical reason that a lot of our current political/economic structures should be maintained because it's 'how the world is'. They have developed as to where they are over a large period of time, and to assume that NOW is the time in which these things aren't subject to flux is just deciding arbitrarily.
Capitalism is still screwing people over worldwide, to a huge degree. It may, or indeed may not be the 'least worst' system under which we can operate as a species, but to not examine it and look at other potential ways to structure our societies is short-sighted.
* To clarify I disagree with a lot of what is listed in the charter, I'm not pro-charter but I'm just ranting at the mentality that thinks maintaining a status quo is good in its own sake. If you think our current form of capitalism IS the best system, and have actually looked at the issue, I also think that's an entirely fair viewpoint to hold. I just abhor a lack of analysis/consideration of these issues before comment is passed.
Communication is the key many however lack the tools and i dont mean gramar or sentence construction. I mean the ability to ask questions. it is so easy to make a statement supported by the status quo rather then fact and reason. People forget tho that the majority never comes up with a new idea.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer
We've asked you a lot of questions in this thread and you've answered none of them.
Like what? please repeat a question and it usualy have a question mark at the end like this "Who let the dogs out?"
On May 09 2012 11:42 v3chr0 wrote: This thread is insane. We should at least close it for a day to give the defenders some reprieve.
It's the same 2-3 people defending with empty statements for about 35 pages, and everyone else is going in for a hit. All of the effort to reply to our posts, emptily at that, could have been put into an organized, and informative reply or OP devoted to AT LEAST discussing the plausible ways to go about creating this system, or something better than basically saying "It can work man!" when it obviously can't - obvious because the ideal itself is so vague, and about 500 people have provided reasons why it cannot work.
The only wasted resources are those you spend trying to continue on with this. Build a foundation before you start trying to put up the roof.
Much discussion of radical reformation to our existing political/economic/social structures tend to break down immediately into 'it can never happen' territory. I'm not one to buy into the over-idealistic rants of hippies or whatever, but dismissing any radical idea out of hand is just showing a lack of imagination and creative ingenuity.
There is no real logical reason that a lot of our current political/economic structures should be maintained because it's 'how the world is'. They have developed as to where they are over a large period of time, and to assume that NOW is the time in which these things aren't subject to flux is just deciding arbitrarily.
Capitalism is still screwing people over worldwide, to a huge degree. It may, or indeed may not be the 'least worst' system under which we can operate as a species, but to not examine it and look at other potential ways to structure our societies is short-sighted.
* To clarify I disagree with a lot of what is listed in the charter, I'm not pro-charter but I'm just ranting at the mentality that thinks maintaining a status quo is good in its own sake. If you think our current form of capitalism IS the best system, and have actually looked at the issue, I also think that's an entirely fair viewpoint to hold. I just abhor a lack of analysis/consideration of these issues before comment is passed.
Communication is the key many however lack the tools and i dont mean gramar or sentence construction. I mean the ability to ask questions. it is so easy to make a statement supported by the status quo rather then fact and reason. People forget tho that the majority never comes up with a new idea.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer
We've asked you a lot of questions in this thread and you've answered none of them.
Like what? please repeat a question and it usualy have a question mark at the end like this "Who let the dogs out?"
Like what? Like how you would transform society over to this new model? How this new model explains away resource dependancy (we are still bound by the resources we can extract from the earth)? How you explain away, credibly, political conflicts over ideological and religious standpoints? And just incase it hasn't actually hit you, this proposal would count as an ideology, and people who oppose it may or may not cooperate and may or may not feel so strongly against it that they'll take up arms against it. This... strikes me as a problem. There's a lot more scattered throughout this thread, why don't you do your own digging? You've only deflected questions with idealistic rethoric which (sadly) has no connection to the real world.
On May 08 2012 23:14 Tunkeg wrote: Maybe sometime in the future humans will have become intelligent enough to work out a system that can make capitalism history. The flaws of capitalism is many, but as of right now it is the best system. There is much I would like to say on the topic, but I will summarize it:
- The differences in the world are perverted. - Our workcapital is spent wrong. - The need of the many should trumph the greed of the few. - People working together towards a common goal and a common increase in quality of life have an incredible work ethics. - No such change will ever occur until the humanrace have evolved past greed and power (Not likely that it will happend).
- The differences in the world are perverted. - Our workcapital is spent in a way you don't like - The need of the many should trumph the greed of the few. How many for how few? How much is one person's need worth versus one person's greed? - People working together towards a common goal and a common increase in quality of life have an incredible work ethics. Yeah they do, as long as they feel they will benefit in proportion to the work they give. - No such change will ever occur until the humanrace have evolved past greed and power (Not likely that it will happend). Not everyone considers losing the need for motivation an evolution.
Something you need to realize is that capitalism already answers these questions.
Something else to realize? Everyone in the world can't have a refridgerator, and a gaming computer, and a cell phone, and microwaves, and cars, and tablets, and 2 TVs, big monitors, a stereo system, surround sound.
You know, all these things everyone around here takes for granted? You've gotta give those up if you want the entire world to have a "reasonable" existence.
If you rewrite Our workcapital is spent in a way you don't like to Our workcapital is spent in a way you think is wrong we agree. I neither like or dislike it. For me personal I don't care if people spend their lifes as hairdressers and make up artists, it doesn't affect me at all. But I think that is wrong use of workcapital.
Need is more worth than greed period.
You think the only motivation we have is greed and power then? If it is we certantly need to evolve.
Capitalism is not perfect, and never will be (and certantly don't have the answer for all questions). It is however better than all other systems we have had thus far...
Sadly not all can have all of that, as we are fairly overpopulated. Another reason why a better system would be preferable.
I don't have to give up anything as there won't be any changes in my lifetime. I would not work towards such changes either, I picked the golden ticket in the lottery and was born in a country where I can have all those things no matter what I do. I am as greedy and as selfish as the rest (maybe even more), but I do realize that what is best for me, not nessarily is best for the world as a whole.
Capitalism has given what we enjoy today, if you like it or not. Where capitalism is not allowed to thrive, people suffer in far greater numbers. If Capitalism isn't perfect, every other idea is even less perfect...and this OP? It isn't even "Good"
That is like saying kings were responsible for whatever their subjects invented and it was thanks to the king it did Technology is responsibile for our improvements regardless of what system we use, The system proposed is just superior and adapted to 21st century not the 19th century like our current system.
And if you still belive captalism is the most driving force in innovation your even wrong there it has been proven time and time again that health and stability creates greater minds then monetary based incentive.
Kings were responsible for the things their subjects invented, where do you think the inventors got their money from? How do you think the invention were spread between other scientists?
You show a complete lack of history knowledge, everything in this world - art, music, technology, was first created to serve the elites and to be used in wars, only after that it was delievered to the masses.
Like how you would transform society over to this new model?
It is a transition from our current system to a RBE it happends mainly through social reforms such as Free health care,dependant wellfare system and free education.
a value shift needs to hit the status quo where people wanna do what they have intrests in rather then what will pay the best(Which is becoming largely accepted already)
How this new model explains away resource dependancy (we are still bound by the resources we can extract from the earth)?
I never claimed it would but we would use our resources more effiecntly coupled with new technology to maximise the yield we can extract more iron then people could 1000 years ago. The goal is to not exceed the planets yearly replinisment rate of resources and find substitiues for those we have to mine no matter what.
How you explain away, credibly, political conflicts over ideological and religious standpoints?
I dont realy understand what you mean here.
this proposal would count as an ideology, and people who oppose it may or may not cooperate and may or may not feel so strongly against it that they'll take up arms against it.
There is no poltical left or right way to build an airplane we will use the scientific method to decide what works and what does not. That involves finding out what shapes human behaviour aswel as constructing an infrastructure that is easy to change,maintain and recycle as needed.
Nobody will take up arms against a system that offers them a chance to participate in real change aswel as being feed,housed and offered freedoms no human could imagine today. Your standard of living in this system will be so extremly high you can even fathom it today and if you could odds are you would be out right knocking door to door like a jehovas witness.
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