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I think stuff like this happens in the US because it's the land of the free. They don't expect the state to take care of them neither do they want it to and that's why people sue the crap out of companies in order to establish their right as a consumer. In general I like the system, but of course it will sometimes create silly law suits. I happen to think this is one of them.
At leasg that's my take on it. Of course this is a generalization, but sometimes one has to take the history of a country to explain its structure.
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no one in this world takes responsibility for their actions anymore, it's always someone else's fault and the "me me me" culture fed to us through advertising and the selfish dictum of mass consumerism does nothing to help us, stupid woman
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Excuse me?? I have a Nutella jar in my fridge, its pure image has been shattered now.
I shall see that woman in court, she destroyed my lifes love.
Oh and if you want something healthy, dont fucking eat anything that is packed/processed. Fucking cunts.
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On April 28 2012 08:54 Revolt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 08:42 thatsundowner wrote:
as dumb as this lady is, anything that makes companies stop outright lying in advertisements is probably a good thing this is actually true. I've never seen the logo, or motto, but if it said it was healthy for u, then it serves them right. It's partially relatable to the whole cigarette industry back then, saying that cigarettes actually had cures for things, and that they were healthy for you. so it does serve them right.
Thing is though Nutella isn't unhealthy at all. No matter what type of food it is, be it a greasy ass cheese burger stuffed with bacon, in moderation it will do no harm at all.
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On April 29 2012 04:42 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 04:31 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 29 2012 03:53 semantics wrote:Seems like people always just look at the wrong commercials https://nutellaclassactionsettlement.com/Portals/0/Documents/Settlement Agreement w exhibits.pdf
Transcripts of Nutella Television Advertisements
“Mom”
[MOM]: As a mom, I’m a great believer in Nutella, a delicious hazelnut spread that I use to get my
kids to eat healthy foods. I spread a little on all kinds of healthy things, like multigrain toast. Every
jar has wholesome, quality ingredients, like hazelnuts, skim milk, and a hint of delicious cocoa. And
Nutella has no artificial colors or preservatives. It’s quick, it’s easy, and at breakfast I can use all the
help I can get.
They do nothing but imply that it's healthy. That plus other evidence put into that pdf shows why the settled out of court. I find it funny that people think it's alright to mislead and lie as long as you're bad at it. When your intentions are to deceive and manipulate people into getting their money. Oh wait i know why because people are egoists, they just want to post here how stupid people are and how smart and big penis-ed they are. Dude please. I think people should be held responsible for their own actions. Commercials are misleading, regulations won't change that. People need to learn how to think critically, we don't need regulations to decieve people into thinking they're actually aimed at being informative. You can disagree with me, but please do it without claiming people who think the law suit is silly are only looking to show off their e-penis. k So everyone who was scammed in burney madoff's pawnze scheme disease to lose all that money, they obviously should have known better, who the fuck cares about intent or who's in the wrong the weak shall perish the strong will survive =p Odd sense of morality that we shouldn't punish exploitation of people. There will always be people who are smarter more charismatic those who can trick us, just becuase it's under a certain threshold it makes that trickery alright? 3 mil is more symbolic then punitive to ferrerio considering the size of the company which is why the lady is unlikely to get more then 2k from this, the lawyers will make off with the largest bulk of the money. the rest 2.5 mil assured for the class but up to 3 mil for the class.
1. Madoff scammed people.
2. The people lost money.
C: Madoff should pay.
1. Nutella advertised that Nutella is used to get kids to eat good food
2. Nutella puts the nutritional values on package
3. Person eats Nutella
4. Person doesn't suffer losses
5. No one was lied to
C: No one should pay
It's a bit hard with negatives, but I really hope you can see the difference between what Madoff did and what Nutella did without me.
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Well, it's hard to imagine the Madoff people didn't know something fishy was going on... but i guess that's too off topic.
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On April 29 2012 05:09 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 04:42 semantics wrote:On April 29 2012 04:31 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 29 2012 03:53 semantics wrote:Seems like people always just look at the wrong commercials https://nutellaclassactionsettlement.com/Portals/0/Documents/Settlement Agreement w exhibits.pdf
Transcripts of Nutella Television Advertisements
“Mom”
[MOM]: As a mom, I’m a great believer in Nutella, a delicious hazelnut spread that I use to get my
kids to eat healthy foods. I spread a little on all kinds of healthy things, like multigrain toast. Every
jar has wholesome, quality ingredients, like hazelnuts, skim milk, and a hint of delicious cocoa. And
Nutella has no artificial colors or preservatives. It’s quick, it’s easy, and at breakfast I can use all the
help I can get.
They do nothing but imply that it's healthy. That plus other evidence put into that pdf shows why the settled out of court. I find it funny that people think it's alright to mislead and lie as long as you're bad at it. When your intentions are to deceive and manipulate people into getting their money. Oh wait i know why because people are egoists, they just want to post here how stupid people are and how smart and big penis-ed they are. Dude please. I think people should be held responsible for their own actions. Commercials are misleading, regulations won't change that. People need to learn how to think critically, we don't need regulations to decieve people into thinking they're actually aimed at being informative. You can disagree with me, but please do it without claiming people who think the law suit is silly are only looking to show off their e-penis. k So everyone who was scammed in burney madoff's pawnze scheme disease to lose all that money, they obviously should have known better, who the fuck cares about intent or who's in the wrong the weak shall perish the strong will survive =p Odd sense of morality that we shouldn't punish exploitation of people. There will always be people who are smarter more charismatic those who can trick us, just becuase it's under a certain threshold it makes that trickery alright? 3 mil is more symbolic then punitive to ferrerio considering the size of the company which is why the lady is unlikely to get more then 2k from this, the lawyers will make off with the largest bulk of the money. the rest 2.5 mil assured for the class but up to 3 mil for the class. 1. Madoff scammed people. 2. The people lost money. C: Madoff should pay. 1. Nutella advertised that Nutella is used to get kids to eat good food 2. Nutella puts the nutritional values on package 3. Person eats Nutella 4. Person doesn't suffer losses 5. No one was lied to C: No one should pay It's a bit hard with negatives, but I really hope you can see the difference between what Madoff did and what Nutella did without me.
There are differences and there are similarities. The similarities are still relevant. Both nutella and Madoff were engaging in deception, they both should be punished.
Would it surprise you to find out that people don't read nutrition facts, or that people don't know how to read the nutrition facts?
How about if people simply trust their hard-earned life savings to people like Madoff without actually looking into the fine print and investigating how their money is used?
People can't be bothered to pay attention to everything. Certain things are more important to people than others. Sometimes you just want to be able to trust something without having to second-guess. Just because Nutella's lies are seemingly (to you) less severe doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished, because people were deceived.
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On April 29 2012 04:42 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 04:31 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 29 2012 03:53 semantics wrote:Seems like people always just look at the wrong commercials https://nutellaclassactionsettlement.com/Portals/0/Documents/Settlement Agreement w exhibits.pdf
Transcripts of Nutella Television Advertisements
“Mom”
[MOM]: As a mom, I’m a great believer in Nutella, a delicious hazelnut spread that I use to get my
kids to eat healthy foods. I spread a little on all kinds of healthy things, like multigrain toast. Every
jar has wholesome, quality ingredients, like hazelnuts, skim milk, and a hint of delicious cocoa. And
Nutella has no artificial colors or preservatives. It’s quick, it’s easy, and at breakfast I can use all the
help I can get.
They do nothing but imply that it's healthy. That plus other evidence put into that pdf shows why the settled out of court. I find it funny that people think it's alright to mislead and lie as long as you're bad at it. When your intentions are to deceive and manipulate people into getting their money. Oh wait i know why because people are egoists, they just want to post here how stupid people are and how smart and big penis-ed they are. Dude please. I think people should be held responsible for their own actions. Commercials are misleading, regulations won't change that. People need to learn how to think critically, we don't need regulations to decieve people into thinking they're actually aimed at being informative. You can disagree with me, but please do it without claiming people who think the law suit is silly are only looking to show off their e-penis. k So everyone who was scammed in burney madoff's pawnze scheme disease to lose all that money, they obviously should have known better, who the fuck cares about intent or who's in the wrong the weak shall perish the strong will survive =p Odd sense of morality that we shouldn't punish exploitation of people. There will always be people who are smarter more charismatic those who can trick us, just becuase it's under a certain threshold it makes that trickery alright? 3 mil is more symbolic then punitive to ferrerio considering the size of the company which is why the lady is unlikely to get more then 2k from this, the lawyers will make off with the largest bulk of the money. the rest 2.5 mil assured for the class but up to 3 mil for the class.
The comparison between Madoff and Nutella is ridiculous and how in hell did you manage to misspell Ponzi to "Pawnze", come on man.
On April 29 2012 05:20 Newbistic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 05:09 Roe wrote:On April 29 2012 04:42 semantics wrote:On April 29 2012 04:31 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 29 2012 03:53 semantics wrote:Seems like people always just look at the wrong commercials https://nutellaclassactionsettlement.com/Portals/0/Documents/Settlement Agreement w exhibits.pdf
Transcripts of Nutella Television Advertisements
“Mom”
[MOM]: As a mom, I’m a great believer in Nutella, a delicious hazelnut spread that I use to get my
kids to eat healthy foods. I spread a little on all kinds of healthy things, like multigrain toast. Every
jar has wholesome, quality ingredients, like hazelnuts, skim milk, and a hint of delicious cocoa. And
Nutella has no artificial colors or preservatives. It’s quick, it’s easy, and at breakfast I can use all the
help I can get.
They do nothing but imply that it's healthy. That plus other evidence put into that pdf shows why the settled out of court. I find it funny that people think it's alright to mislead and lie as long as you're bad at it. When your intentions are to deceive and manipulate people into getting their money. Oh wait i know why because people are egoists, they just want to post here how stupid people are and how smart and big penis-ed they are. Dude please. I think people should be held responsible for their own actions. Commercials are misleading, regulations won't change that. People need to learn how to think critically, we don't need regulations to decieve people into thinking they're actually aimed at being informative. You can disagree with me, but please do it without claiming people who think the law suit is silly are only looking to show off their e-penis. k So everyone who was scammed in burney madoff's pawnze scheme disease to lose all that money, they obviously should have known better, who the fuck cares about intent or who's in the wrong the weak shall perish the strong will survive =p Odd sense of morality that we shouldn't punish exploitation of people. There will always be people who are smarter more charismatic those who can trick us, just becuase it's under a certain threshold it makes that trickery alright? 3 mil is more symbolic then punitive to ferrerio considering the size of the company which is why the lady is unlikely to get more then 2k from this, the lawyers will make off with the largest bulk of the money. the rest 2.5 mil assured for the class but up to 3 mil for the class. 1. Madoff scammed people. 2. The people lost money. C: Madoff should pay. 1. Nutella advertised that Nutella is used to get kids to eat good food 2. Nutella puts the nutritional values on package 3. Person eats Nutella 4. Person doesn't suffer losses 5. No one was lied to C: No one should pay It's a bit hard with negatives, but I really hope you can see the difference between what Madoff did and what Nutella did without me. There are differences and there are similarities. The similarities are still relevant. Both nutella and Madoff were engaging in deception, they both should be punished. Would it surprise you to find out that people don't read nutrition facts, or that people don't know how to read the nutrition facts? How about if people simply trust their hard-earned life savings to people like Madoff without actually looking into the fine print and investigating how their money is used? People can't be bothered to pay attention to everything. Certain things are more important to people than others. Sometimes you just want to be able to trust something without having to second-guess. Just because Nutella's lies are seemingly (to you) less severe doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished, because people were deceived.
There is NO deception if people have the data and choose not to read it. And Madoff's fraudulent practices weren't written in the fine print, hence the deception.
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Don't really care. $3 million is nothing to a company like Ferrero, their misleading advertising has been super effective. Yeah, of course people should take more responsibility for their actions and correctly research their purchases, but I'm not going to feel sad for the poor giant company being forced to accurately describe their product.
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On April 29 2012 04:42 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 04:31 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 29 2012 03:53 semantics wrote:Seems like people always just look at the wrong commercials https://nutellaclassactionsettlement.com/Portals/0/Documents/Settlement Agreement w exhibits.pdf
Transcripts of Nutella Television Advertisements
“Mom”
[MOM]: As a mom, I’m a great believer in Nutella, a delicious hazelnut spread that I use to get my
kids to eat healthy foods. I spread a little on all kinds of healthy things, like multigrain toast. Every
jar has wholesome, quality ingredients, like hazelnuts, skim milk, and a hint of delicious cocoa. And
Nutella has no artificial colors or preservatives. It’s quick, it’s easy, and at breakfast I can use all the
help I can get.
They do nothing but imply that it's healthy. That plus other evidence put into that pdf shows why the settled out of court. I find it funny that people think it's alright to mislead and lie as long as you're bad at it. When your intentions are to deceive and manipulate people into getting their money. Oh wait i know why because people are egoists, they just want to post here how stupid people are and how smart and big penis-ed they are. Dude please. I think people should be held responsible for their own actions. Commercials are misleading, regulations won't change that. People need to learn how to think critically, we don't need regulations to decieve people into thinking they're actually aimed at being informative. You can disagree with me, but please do it without claiming people who think the law suit is silly are only looking to show off their e-penis. k So everyone who was scammed in burney madoff's pawnze scheme disease to lose all that money, they obviously should have known better, who the fuck cares about intent or who's in the wrong the weak shall perish the strong will survive =p Odd sense of morality that we shouldn't punish exploitation of people. There will always be people who are smarter more charismatic those who can trick us, just becuase it's under a certain threshold it makes that trickery alright?3 mil is more symbolic then punitive to ferrerio considering the size of the company which is why the lady is unlikely to get more then 2k from this, the lawyers will make off with the largest bulk of the money. the rest 2.5 mil assured for the class but up to 3 mil for the class.
Yet again you assign me an opinion I haven't expressed. Yes, in this world there are people smarter and more charismatic than others, but how do you fail to see that YOU are deciding on completely arbitrary thresholds on when it's ok to decieve and not?
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On April 29 2012 05:09 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 04:42 semantics wrote:On April 29 2012 04:31 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 29 2012 03:53 semantics wrote:Seems like people always just look at the wrong commercials https://nutellaclassactionsettlement.com/Portals/0/Documents/Settlement Agreement w exhibits.pdf
Transcripts of Nutella Television Advertisements
“Mom”
[MOM]: As a mom, I’m a great believer in Nutella, a delicious hazelnut spread that I use to get my
kids to eat healthy foods. I spread a little on all kinds of healthy things, like multigrain toast. Every
jar has wholesome, quality ingredients, like hazelnuts, skim milk, and a hint of delicious cocoa. And
Nutella has no artificial colors or preservatives. It’s quick, it’s easy, and at breakfast I can use all the
help I can get.
They do nothing but imply that it's healthy. That plus other evidence put into that pdf shows why the settled out of court. I find it funny that people think it's alright to mislead and lie as long as you're bad at it. When your intentions are to deceive and manipulate people into getting their money. Oh wait i know why because people are egoists, they just want to post here how stupid people are and how smart and big penis-ed they are. Dude please. I think people should be held responsible for their own actions. Commercials are misleading, regulations won't change that. People need to learn how to think critically, we don't need regulations to decieve people into thinking they're actually aimed at being informative. You can disagree with me, but please do it without claiming people who think the law suit is silly are only looking to show off their e-penis. k So everyone who was scammed in burney madoff's pawnze scheme disease to lose all that money, they obviously should have known better, who the fuck cares about intent or who's in the wrong the weak shall perish the strong will survive =p Odd sense of morality that we shouldn't punish exploitation of people. There will always be people who are smarter more charismatic those who can trick us, just becuase it's under a certain threshold it makes that trickery alright? 3 mil is more symbolic then punitive to ferrerio considering the size of the company which is why the lady is unlikely to get more then 2k from this, the lawyers will make off with the largest bulk of the money. the rest 2.5 mil assured for the class but up to 3 mil for the class. 1. Madoff scammed people. 2. The people lost money. C: Madoff should pay. 1. Nutella advertised that Nutella is used to get kids to eat good food 2. Nutella puts the nutritional values on package 3. Person eats Nutella 4. Person doesn't suffer losses 5. No one was lied to C: No one should pay It's a bit hard with negatives, but I really hope you can see the difference between what Madoff did and what Nutella did without me.
But that isn't the only way that can go. It can also go
1. Nutella advertised that Nutella is used to get kids to eat good food
2. Person sees ad and buys Nutella instead of something legitimately healthy
3. Nutella gains money from false advertising
C. Nutella should be fined (or pay)
Considering that most studies show that for supermarket purchases the average person takes single digit seconds (something like 7 if I recall correctly) to make a purchase decision, the idea that they should check the nutritional information for every product is unrealistic. It's not that people shouldn't be doing this and making better decisions, but rather that the burden of the law in this case rests on the company and its advertising. They have a duty not to misinform their customers.
A lot of people in this thread are bringing up the nutritional information, but I highly doubt those people check the nutritional information and ingredients for every product they purchase. That means all of the fruit and vegetables, heated hot pockets, soups, noodles, meats, toothpaste, etc. There are so many purchase decisions that are done on the fly that from a governmental standpoint of protecting the consumer, it is not practical to expect them to remain informed about the relative health of each product.
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On April 29 2012 00:52 Bigtony wrote:
...your logic is undeniable sir. They never say "nutella is healthy" outright. Just like tobacco commercials don't say "smoking will make you way cool bro" and liquor commercials don't say "drink this so you can be cool and awesome like the people in this commercial."
Are you prepared to tell me that is not the clear implication of these commercials?
Just wanted to quote myself because I can see that the idiotic posts about "frivolous lawsuits" seem to be continuing.
It is the role of the government to help those who cannot help themselves. No, I don't think the government should intervene in every little detail. However, the advertisements are extremely misleading.
There is absolutely, positively, nothing healthy about Nutella. It's sugar and fat (and not the good kind of fat). Just like cigarette and alcohol advertisements, the goal of the advert is to convince you that Nutella is healthy. Serving suggestion is way more than what is used in the commercial. Even if you read the nutritional information, that doesn't stop the advertisement from being misleading.
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It's basically a slap on the wrist to a company for making purposely misleading advertising. I've personally noticed how stupid Nutella commercials were in the past. I'm not sure what's so outrageous about it. The money rewarded to this woman im sure wasn't even worth her time or trouble.
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On April 29 2012 05:20 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 04:42 semantics wrote:On April 29 2012 04:31 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 29 2012 03:53 semantics wrote:Seems like people always just look at the wrong commercials https://nutellaclassactionsettlement.com/Portals/0/Documents/Settlement Agreement w exhibits.pdf
Transcripts of Nutella Television Advertisements
“Mom”
[MOM]: As a mom, I’m a great believer in Nutella, a delicious hazelnut spread that I use to get my
kids to eat healthy foods. I spread a little on all kinds of healthy things, like multigrain toast. Every
jar has wholesome, quality ingredients, like hazelnuts, skim milk, and a hint of delicious cocoa. And
Nutella has no artificial colors or preservatives. It’s quick, it’s easy, and at breakfast I can use all the
help I can get.
They do nothing but imply that it's healthy. That plus other evidence put into that pdf shows why the settled out of court. I find it funny that people think it's alright to mislead and lie as long as you're bad at it. When your intentions are to deceive and manipulate people into getting their money. Oh wait i know why because people are egoists, they just want to post here how stupid people are and how smart and big penis-ed they are. Dude please. I think people should be held responsible for their own actions. Commercials are misleading, regulations won't change that. People need to learn how to think critically, we don't need regulations to decieve people into thinking they're actually aimed at being informative. You can disagree with me, but please do it without claiming people who think the law suit is silly are only looking to show off their e-penis. k So everyone who was scammed in burney madoff's pawnze scheme disease to lose all that money, they obviously should have known better, who the fuck cares about intent or who's in the wrong the weak shall perish the strong will survive =p Odd sense of morality that we shouldn't punish exploitation of people. There will always be people who are smarter more charismatic those who can trick us, just becuase it's under a certain threshold it makes that trickery alright? 3 mil is more symbolic then punitive to ferrerio considering the size of the company which is why the lady is unlikely to get more then 2k from this, the lawyers will make off with the largest bulk of the money. the rest 2.5 mil assured for the class but up to 3 mil for the class. The comparison between Madoff and Nutella is ridiculous and how in hell did you manage to misspell Ponzi to "Pawnze", come on man. Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 05:20 Newbistic wrote:On April 29 2012 05:09 Roe wrote:On April 29 2012 04:42 semantics wrote:On April 29 2012 04:31 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 29 2012 03:53 semantics wrote:Seems like people always just look at the wrong commercials https://nutellaclassactionsettlement.com/Portals/0/Documents/Settlement Agreement w exhibits.pdf
Transcripts of Nutella Television Advertisements
“Mom”
[MOM]: As a mom, I’m a great believer in Nutella, a delicious hazelnut spread that I use to get my
kids to eat healthy foods. I spread a little on all kinds of healthy things, like multigrain toast. Every
jar has wholesome, quality ingredients, like hazelnuts, skim milk, and a hint of delicious cocoa. And
Nutella has no artificial colors or preservatives. It’s quick, it’s easy, and at breakfast I can use all the
help I can get.
They do nothing but imply that it's healthy. That plus other evidence put into that pdf shows why the settled out of court. I find it funny that people think it's alright to mislead and lie as long as you're bad at it. When your intentions are to deceive and manipulate people into getting their money. Oh wait i know why because people are egoists, they just want to post here how stupid people are and how smart and big penis-ed they are. Dude please. I think people should be held responsible for their own actions. Commercials are misleading, regulations won't change that. People need to learn how to think critically, we don't need regulations to decieve people into thinking they're actually aimed at being informative. You can disagree with me, but please do it without claiming people who think the law suit is silly are only looking to show off their e-penis. k So everyone who was scammed in burney madoff's pawnze scheme disease to lose all that money, they obviously should have known better, who the fuck cares about intent or who's in the wrong the weak shall perish the strong will survive =p Odd sense of morality that we shouldn't punish exploitation of people. There will always be people who are smarter more charismatic those who can trick us, just becuase it's under a certain threshold it makes that trickery alright? 3 mil is more symbolic then punitive to ferrerio considering the size of the company which is why the lady is unlikely to get more then 2k from this, the lawyers will make off with the largest bulk of the money. the rest 2.5 mil assured for the class but up to 3 mil for the class. 1. Madoff scammed people. 2. The people lost money. C: Madoff should pay. 1. Nutella advertised that Nutella is used to get kids to eat good food 2. Nutella puts the nutritional values on package 3. Person eats Nutella 4. Person doesn't suffer losses 5. No one was lied to C: No one should pay It's a bit hard with negatives, but I really hope you can see the difference between what Madoff did and what Nutella did without me. There are differences and there are similarities. The similarities are still relevant. Both nutella and Madoff were engaging in deception, they both should be punished. Would it surprise you to find out that people don't read nutrition facts, or that people don't know how to read the nutrition facts? How about if people simply trust their hard-earned life savings to people like Madoff without actually looking into the fine print and investigating how their money is used? People can't be bothered to pay attention to everything. Certain things are more important to people than others. Sometimes you just want to be able to trust something without having to second-guess. Just because Nutella's lies are seemingly (to you) less severe doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished, because people were deceived. There is NO deception if people have the data and choose not to read it. And Madoff's fraudulent practices weren't written in the fine print, hence the deception.
I think there is an analogy in there.
Pyramid schemes are illegal in the US, despite the fact that (to paraphrase what someone said earlier) "only stupid people believe them". Even if they state all their conditions up front, meaning that there is no deception involved.
And yet anyone can look at the contract for a pyramid scheme and deduce "this scheme will collapse eventually, and I am likely to lose my money". Just as anyone can inspect the nutritional information on a nutella jar and conclude "I probably shouldn't eat this every single day, like that advert said I could".
But people shouldn't have to. We know that these things are bad. Why not educate (or in nutella's case, require that their adverts educate) instead of saying "these people are morons and deserve to lose their money/waistline".
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On April 29 2012 05:23 flowSthead wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 05:09 Roe wrote:On April 29 2012 04:42 semantics wrote:On April 29 2012 04:31 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 29 2012 03:53 semantics wrote:Seems like people always just look at the wrong commercials https://nutellaclassactionsettlement.com/Portals/0/Documents/Settlement Agreement w exhibits.pdf
Transcripts of Nutella Television Advertisements
“Mom”
[MOM]: As a mom, I’m a great believer in Nutella, a delicious hazelnut spread that I use to get my
kids to eat healthy foods. I spread a little on all kinds of healthy things, like multigrain toast. Every
jar has wholesome, quality ingredients, like hazelnuts, skim milk, and a hint of delicious cocoa. And
Nutella has no artificial colors or preservatives. It’s quick, it’s easy, and at breakfast I can use all the
help I can get.
They do nothing but imply that it's healthy. That plus other evidence put into that pdf shows why the settled out of court. I find it funny that people think it's alright to mislead and lie as long as you're bad at it. When your intentions are to deceive and manipulate people into getting their money. Oh wait i know why because people are egoists, they just want to post here how stupid people are and how smart and big penis-ed they are. Dude please. I think people should be held responsible for their own actions. Commercials are misleading, regulations won't change that. People need to learn how to think critically, we don't need regulations to decieve people into thinking they're actually aimed at being informative. You can disagree with me, but please do it without claiming people who think the law suit is silly are only looking to show off their e-penis. k So everyone who was scammed in burney madoff's pawnze scheme disease to lose all that money, they obviously should have known better, who the fuck cares about intent or who's in the wrong the weak shall perish the strong will survive =p Odd sense of morality that we shouldn't punish exploitation of people. There will always be people who are smarter more charismatic those who can trick us, just becuase it's under a certain threshold it makes that trickery alright? 3 mil is more symbolic then punitive to ferrerio considering the size of the company which is why the lady is unlikely to get more then 2k from this, the lawyers will make off with the largest bulk of the money. the rest 2.5 mil assured for the class but up to 3 mil for the class. 1. Madoff scammed people. 2. The people lost money. C: Madoff should pay. 1. Nutella advertised that Nutella is used to get kids to eat good food 2. Nutella puts the nutritional values on package 3. Person eats Nutella 4. Person doesn't suffer losses 5. No one was lied to C: No one should pay It's a bit hard with negatives, but I really hope you can see the difference between what Madoff did and what Nutella did without me. But that isn't the only way that can go. It can also go 1. Nutella advertised that Nutella is used to get kids to eat good food 2. Person sees ad and buys Nutella instead of something legitimately healthy 3. Nutella gains money from false advertising C. Nutella should be fined (or pay) Considering that most studies show that for supermarket purchases the average person takes single digit seconds (something like 7 if I recall correctly) to make a purchase decision, the idea that they should check the nutritional information for every product is unrealistic. It's not that people shouldn't be doing this and making better decisions, but rather that the burden of the law in this case rests on the company and its advertising. They have a duty not to misinform their customers. A lot of people in this thread are bringing up the nutritional information, but I highly doubt those people check the nutritional information and ingredients for every product they purchase. That means all of the fruit and vegetables, heated hot pockets, soups, noodles, meats, toothpaste, etc. There are so many purchase decisions that are done on the fly that from a governmental standpoint of protecting the consumer, it is not practical to expect them to remain informed about the relative health of each product.
You obviously don't need to check every product every time you go to the supermarket.
I don't check the nutrtion value for every product I purchase, but if I happen to eat something unhealthy by accident I don't blame the producer. If it's something I eat often I usually check the nutrition value. When I'm concerned about the I do some searches online to find out what kind of product is good. I don't expect watching commercials will educate.me.
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So......why don't we all get in on the class-action lawsuit and use our winnings to buy more Nutella?
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This is great. Yes you should know better than to think Nutella is healthy, but the fact remains it is still false advertising. 3.5mil is a slap on the wrist really.
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On April 29 2012 03:53 semantics wrote:Seems like people always just look at the wrong commercials https://nutellaclassactionsettlement.com/Portals/0/Documents/Settlement Agreement w exhibits.pdfShow nested quote +
Transcripts of Nutella Television Advertisements
“Mom”
[MOM]: As a mom, I’m a great believer in Nutella, a delicious hazelnut spread that I use to get my
kids to eat healthy foods. I spread a little on all kinds of healthy things, like multigrain toast. Every
jar has wholesome, quality ingredients, like hazelnuts, skim milk, and a hint of delicious cocoa. And
Nutella has no artificial colors or preservatives. It’s quick, it’s easy, and at breakfast I can use all the
help I can get.
They do nothing but imply that it's healthy. That plus other evidence put into that pdf shows why the settled out of court. I find it funny that people think it's alright to mislead and lie as long as you're bad at it. When your intentions are to deceive and manipulate people into getting their money. Oh wait i know why because people are egoists, they just want to post here how stupid people are and how smart and big penis-ed they are.
I disagree with the OP, I don't think that the people were dumb for thinking that nutella is healthy. I think the people knew that it was a chocolate spread and that if they sued Ferrero then it would not be worth their time to fight it in court. This is outlined in the document you posted. Most companies can't fight every single claim in court because it's expensive and time consuming, if it's below a certain value then it might be beneficial to settle out of court because then they can also control what is released to the media.
I remain unconvinced that:
1) Ferrero claimed that nutella is healthy
2) Nutella is not healthy (or is unhealthy)
I don't think anyone thinks that nutella is healthy in the way that brocolli is, but it can be healthy in the way that milk is. There are always people on TV that say that chocolate milk is as healthy as white milk, they just know that there's also a little chocolate in there. This doesn't negate the nutritional content of milk, but has another "unhealthy" element to it (sugar, in addition to the fat which is present in milk). Putting nutella on whole grain bread encourages children to eat whole grain bread, which is good for them - that seems clear from the commercial you've quoted.
I think that nutella could have won if they had decided to fight it because the claim seems shaky at best. I don't think that nutella is a health food, but I think it's good for convincing children to eat healthy food. I'm not sure that I would go as far as to say that nutella is unhealthy - there are many breakfast cereals which are worse.
The main problem to me is that "healthy food" hasn't been defined. What is healthy and what isn't? Milk could be considered unhealthy due to the fat content. Most breads and cereals have sugar in them. Tomatoes have a lot of MSG in them (which some people think is dangerous/unhealthy). I think it's tough to believe that this law suit was anything but a money grab, and I doubt that Ferrero thinks they are selling a quality health product. There are two solutions I see: either people need to lighten up about how the word "healthy" is used; or manufacturers should stop using the word healthy altogether and consumers can just guess what is healthy and what isn't. I think that people have a fairly good intuition about these things and that this law suit is frivolous.
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