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On October 20 2012 11:04 nevermindthebollocks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 11:01 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 10:59 nevermindthebollocks wrote:
then again look at the crowd at the end and you see all rich white men so i guess it was a republican audience Yeah, damn those rich republicans for supporting health related causes. -_- only because they won't let the government take care of health care like every other country in the world
The argument of "we should do it becaue everyone else is doing it" is a the worst possible one out there. Everyone was mostly ruled by Monarchs when we created a Democracy. Clearly we we were wrong, because "every other country in the world" was doing it differently.
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On October 20 2012 10:55 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 10:53 Velocirapture wrote:On October 20 2012 10:47 sunprince wrote:On October 20 2012 10:11 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 10:05 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 20 2012 10:01 jdseemoreglass wrote:On October 20 2012 09:59 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 20 2012 09:43 SayGen wrote:On October 20 2012 09:33 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On October 20 2012 08:51 SayGen wrote:
Loving how the 'Binder full of women' is backfiring on the Obama camp.
Almost funny how the more they say it the more women voters switch to Romney after they look into what he said and realize he has done more for equality than Obama has.
Best part is, Liberals act like they are the defenders of minorities when facts are Republicans are the ones who have done the most good in our country--after all which party freed the slaves.
Want equality, vote Romney
Want more sexism and social injustice, vote Obama
SayGen United States. October 20 2012 09:30. Posts 917 PM Profile Quote #
On October 20 2012 09:28 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
Republicans freed the slaves! It says so on wiki!
Might want to go to an African American studies class.
These posts were literally 3 minutes apart dude. EDIT: Sorry, 35 minutes. Of course, this is from the guy who not too long ago was raging for pages and pages about Obama care costing him $700/month, not realizing he had misread 'year' as 'month'.... No I said it was a typo- go back and reread before posting that libel. I am highly upset about Obamacare. It's anti American to be taxed on the condition of breathing. Never ever ever done before in American history, truly it can now be said that there are 2 inevitable things in life- death and taxes It's kind of sad hat people will put ideology before the basic advancement of civilization. Obamacare is pathetic compared to truly nationalized systems like the ones seen in basically every single developed country besides our own, but at least it's a step forward. There are a lot of valid arguments in favor of socialized health care. Saying "everyone else is doing it" is not one of them. Nor is simply calling it "the basic advancement of civilization." Offering free/affordable healthcare to every citizen of your country is advancing civilization. I don't know what to say to you if you can't understand this. As to the point that "everyone else is doing it", that's just a strawman; the point is that numerous other countries are doing it, and not only is it affordable, but the quality of healthcare in these countries is better. It's not "free" though. It seems like that term gets thrown around way too much. Would you agree that it is fair to classify public K-12 education as "free"? It's obviously not, but the commonly understood definition makes sense, no? Yeah... this is turning into a Romney style semantics argument. Democrats want single payer healthcare because we see other countries with cheaper systems and better outcomes using it. The only people who are ideologically compelled by the "free" element are those who have been condemned to die if they get/are sick in the current system. Granted this is a huge number of people so I can understand how it would be misinterpreted as the party line. Actually there is a large number of people who see it as "free". They think the government is just giving them it, they don't realize the government borrows from China and taxes the people to create the funds for it. The truth is that we're still paying for it, just in a different way. Yet people think it's free.
This view is a product of gotcha politics. The reality is that there are a lot of people who do not have the luxury or inclination to care one way or the other. This is true about literally any subject political or otherwise.
When pressed people will gladly give you their immediate emotional reaction but this is in no way indicative of their thought process, only the current state of their lives. If you were to ask them the follow up question, do you think that it is really free and nobody is paying for it? I would be amazed if you got even a single yes from an adult.
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that's not the argument. the argument is that if everyone else is doing it, smart, well run systems at that, then it's probably got some merit to it.
especially you've got a well run, nationalized healthcare system right in your backyard in the VA system, while the private system is bloated as fuck.
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On October 20 2012 11:05 nevermindthebollocks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 11:03 oneofthem wrote:On October 20 2012 11:01 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 10:59 nevermindthebollocks wrote:
then again look at the crowd at the end and you see all rich white men so i guess it was a republican audience Yeah, damn those rich republicans for supporting health related causes. -_- yea you really are supporting health related causes when you name a hospital wing for your dead dog how many are going to do it if it's not a tax expenditure we'll find out when romney eliminates all the deductions lol
Sadly, yeah. I wish they had more discussion into the complexity of deductions. Obviously some are exploited, but some, particularly charitable giving, are worth keeping. Both parties blindly pushing "let's get rid of deductions!" is incredibly shallow.
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On October 20 2012 11:05 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 11:03 oneofthem wrote:On October 20 2012 11:01 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 10:59 nevermindthebollocks wrote:
then again look at the crowd at the end and you see all rich white men so i guess it was a republican audience Yeah, damn those rich republicans for supporting health related causes. -_- yea you really are supporting health related causes when you name a hospital wing for your dead dog how many are going to do it if it's not a tax expenditure first of all...... you are. second.... why the hell do you think we put in those deductions? It's to encourage them to donate money. I'm not sure if you missed my sarcasm or you really are just that stupid. I honestly can't tell.
i'm pretty sure i'm just that stupid
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On October 20 2012 11:07 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 11:04 nevermindthebollocks wrote:On October 20 2012 11:01 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 10:59 nevermindthebollocks wrote:
then again look at the crowd at the end and you see all rich white men so i guess it was a republican audience Yeah, damn those rich republicans for supporting health related causes. -_- only because they won't let the government take care of health care like every other country in the world The argument of "we should do it becaue everyone else is doing it" is a the worst possible one out there. Everyone was mostly ruled by Monarchs when we created a Democracy. Clearly we we were wrong, because "every other country in the world" was doing it differently.
Then again, Britain and France had both abolished slavery when the federals in your country were fighting the confederacy. If your point is that the U.S.A. is a beacon to the world, then in many ways I'll agree. With respect to healthcare, however, they're several laps behind even Cuba.
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On October 20 2012 11:08 oneofthem wrote:
that's not the argument. the argument is that if everyone else is doing it, smart, well run systems at that, then it's probably got some merit to it.
especially you've got a well run, nationalized healthcare system right in your backyard in the VA system, while the private system is bloated as fuck.
That was exactly what your argument was. You claimed it was the right thing to do because "everyone else was."
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On October 20 2012 09:26 mynameisgreat11 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 09:20 SayGen wrote:On October 20 2012 09:07 Defacer wrote:On October 20 2012 09:02 jdseemoreglass wrote:On October 20 2012 08:55 farvacola wrote:On October 20 2012 08:51 SayGen wrote:
Loving how the 'Binder full of women' is backfiring on the Obama camp.
Almost funny how the more they say it the more women voters switch to Romney after they look into what he said and realize he has done more for equality than Obama has.
Best part is, Liberals act like they are the defenders of minorities when facts are Republicans are the ones who have done the most good in our country--after all which party freed the slaves.
Want equality, vote Romney
Want more sexism and social injustice, vote Obama This post was "almost funny" until I realized you weren't joking. Though I urge you send a letter to the Romney Campaign suggesting they adopt the slogan, "Vote Romney, after all which party freed the slaves." Is he really serious? I thought SayGen was a lefty, and the post is very over the top... SayGen is to the right of xDaunt. Which is no mean feat ... I'm not left or right, i'm straight up. Pro freedom, personal accountability, economic freedom, liberty, determent military doctrine, flat tax, etc Left is anti freedom. Right is anti freedom. Left has no personal accountability: Bigger goverment, means more corruption/less transparency Right has little personal accountability supporting an upper class beyond the means of growth incentives, allowing billions of dollars to go overseas. Left has no economic freedom. Right is too weak against monopolies/fair competetion policies etc etc both groups/parties suck This election is nothing more than an example of what Lesser of 2 evils is really all about. I think I'd give more weight to a stripper lecturing me on particle physics than what you said here.
do you have any idea how much I would pay to have a stripper lecture me on particle physics?
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On October 20 2012 11:11 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 09:26 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On October 20 2012 09:20 SayGen wrote:On October 20 2012 09:07 Defacer wrote:On October 20 2012 09:02 jdseemoreglass wrote:On October 20 2012 08:55 farvacola wrote:On October 20 2012 08:51 SayGen wrote:
Loving how the 'Binder full of women' is backfiring on the Obama camp.
Almost funny how the more they say it the more women voters switch to Romney after they look into what he said and realize he has done more for equality than Obama has.
Best part is, Liberals act like they are the defenders of minorities when facts are Republicans are the ones who have done the most good in our country--after all which party freed the slaves.
Want equality, vote Romney
Want more sexism and social injustice, vote Obama This post was "almost funny" until I realized you weren't joking. Though I urge you send a letter to the Romney Campaign suggesting they adopt the slogan, "Vote Romney, after all which party freed the slaves." Is he really serious? I thought SayGen was a lefty, and the post is very over the top... SayGen is to the right of xDaunt. Which is no mean feat ... I'm not left or right, i'm straight up. Pro freedom, personal accountability, economic freedom, liberty, determent military doctrine, flat tax, etc Left is anti freedom. Right is anti freedom. Left has no personal accountability: Bigger goverment, means more corruption/less transparency Right has little personal accountability supporting an upper class beyond the means of growth incentives, allowing billions of dollars to go overseas. Left has no economic freedom. Right is too weak against monopolies/fair competetion policies etc etc both groups/parties suck This election is nothing more than an example of what Lesser of 2 evils is really all about. I think I'd give more weight to a stripper lecturing me on particle physics than what you said here. do you have any idea how much I would pay to have a stripper lecture me on particle physics?
Hell of a derail.
+1, kudos. I approve.
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On October 20 2012 11:10 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 11:08 oneofthem wrote:
that's not the argument. the argument is that if everyone else is doing it, smart, well run systems at that, then it's probably got some merit to it.
especially you've got a well run, nationalized healthcare system right in your backyard in the VA system, while the private system is bloated as fuck. That was exactly what your argument was. You claimed it was the right thing to do because "everyone else was."
and every argument is a formal deduction.
ok i wont pick on you.
there's a difference between
A is true because credible guy believes in A
and
A is worth considering because credible guy believes in A
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On October 20 2012 11:16 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 11:10 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 11:08 oneofthem wrote:
that's not the argument. the argument is that if everyone else is doing it, smart, well run systems at that, then it's probably got some merit to it.
especially you've got a well run, nationalized healthcare system right in your backyard in the VA system, while the private system is bloated as fuck. That was exactly what your argument was. You claimed it was the right thing to do because "everyone else was." and every argument is a formal deduction. ok i wont pick on you. there's a difference between A is true because credible guy believes in A and A is worth considering because credible guy believes in A
You're full of it. You said what you said. Why not just try to correct your reasoning instead of doubling down on it? Everyone makes mistakes. Trying to make me look ignorant doesn't make you correct.
You said "A is because of X." You didn't say "A is a credible option because X."
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On October 20 2012 11:16 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 11:10 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 11:08 oneofthem wrote:
that's not the argument. the argument is that if everyone else is doing it, smart, well run systems at that, then it's probably got some merit to it.
especially you've got a well run, nationalized healthcare system right in your backyard in the VA system, while the private system is bloated as fuck. That was exactly what your argument was. You claimed it was the right thing to do because "everyone else was." and every argument is a formal deduction. ok i wont pick on you. there's a difference between A is true because credible guy believes in A and A is worth considering because credible guy believes in A
You mean because credible guy is showing A can work extremely well.
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On October 20 2012 11:18 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 11:16 oneofthem wrote:On October 20 2012 11:10 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 11:08 oneofthem wrote:
that's not the argument. the argument is that if everyone else is doing it, smart, well run systems at that, then it's probably got some merit to it.
especially you've got a well run, nationalized healthcare system right in your backyard in the VA system, while the private system is bloated as fuck. That was exactly what your argument was. You claimed it was the right thing to do because "everyone else was." and every argument is a formal deduction. ok i wont pick on you. there's a difference between A is true because credible guy believes in A and A is worth considering because credible guy believes in A You mean because credible guy is showing A can work extremely well.
same difference
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On October 20 2012 11:18 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 11:16 oneofthem wrote:On October 20 2012 11:10 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 11:08 oneofthem wrote:
that's not the argument. the argument is that if everyone else is doing it, smart, well run systems at that, then it's probably got some merit to it.
especially you've got a well run, nationalized healthcare system right in your backyard in the VA system, while the private system is bloated as fuck. That was exactly what your argument was. You claimed it was the right thing to do because "everyone else was." and every argument is a formal deduction. ok i wont pick on you. there's a difference between A is true because credible guy believes in A and A is worth considering because credible guy believes in A You're full of it. You said what you said. Why not just try to correct your reasoning instead of doubling down on it? Everyone makes mistakes. Trying to make me look ignorant doesn't make you correct. You said "A is because of X." You didn't say "A is a credible option because X."
you are wrong here. i'm sure of it.
edit: to guide you through it. i said
"...it's probably got some merit to it. "
which is a world away from "it's true"
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On October 20 2012 11:19 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 11:18 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 11:16 oneofthem wrote:On October 20 2012 11:10 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 11:08 oneofthem wrote:
that's not the argument. the argument is that if everyone else is doing it, smart, well run systems at that, then it's probably got some merit to it.
especially you've got a well run, nationalized healthcare system right in your backyard in the VA system, while the private system is bloated as fuck. That was exactly what your argument was. You claimed it was the right thing to do because "everyone else was." and every argument is a formal deduction. ok i wont pick on you. there's a difference between A is true because credible guy believes in A and A is worth considering because credible guy believes in A You're full of it. You said what you said. Why not just try to correct your reasoning instead of doubling down on it? Everyone makes mistakes. Trying to make me look ignorant doesn't make you correct. You said "A is because of X." You didn't say "A is a credible option because X." you are wrong here. i'm sure of it.
I like the conviction, oneofthem in '16!
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On October 20 2012 11:19 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 11:18 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 11:16 oneofthem wrote:On October 20 2012 11:10 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 11:08 oneofthem wrote:
that's not the argument. the argument is that if everyone else is doing it, smart, well run systems at that, then it's probably got some merit to it.
especially you've got a well run, nationalized healthcare system right in your backyard in the VA system, while the private system is bloated as fuck. That was exactly what your argument was. You claimed it was the right thing to do because "everyone else was." and every argument is a formal deduction. ok i wont pick on you. there's a difference between A is true because credible guy believes in A and A is worth considering because credible guy believes in A You're full of it. You said what you said. Why not just try to correct your reasoning instead of doubling down on it? Everyone makes mistakes. Trying to make me look ignorant doesn't make you correct. You said "A is because of X." You didn't say "A is a credible option because X." you are wrong here. i'm sure of it. edit: to guide you through it. i said "...it's probably got some merit to it. " which is a world away from "it's true"
you said :
only because they won't let the government take care of health care like every other country in the world
This was an implication that government healthcare is better because every other country in the world does it. That's what you said. You didn't say "it's probably got merit to it" in what I called you out on.
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On October 20 2012 11:23 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 11:19 oneofthem wrote:On October 20 2012 11:18 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 11:16 oneofthem wrote:On October 20 2012 11:10 BluePanther wrote:On October 20 2012 11:08 oneofthem wrote:
that's not the argument. the argument is that if everyone else is doing it, smart, well run systems at that, then it's probably got some merit to it.
especially you've got a well run, nationalized healthcare system right in your backyard in the VA system, while the private system is bloated as fuck. That was exactly what your argument was. You claimed it was the right thing to do because "everyone else was." and every argument is a formal deduction. ok i wont pick on you. there's a difference between A is true because credible guy believes in A and A is worth considering because credible guy believes in A You're full of it. You said what you said. Why not just try to correct your reasoning instead of doubling down on it? Everyone makes mistakes. Trying to make me look ignorant doesn't make you correct. You said "A is because of X." You didn't say "A is a credible option because X." you are wrong here. i'm sure of it. edit: to guide you through it. i said "...it's probably got some merit to it. " which is a world away from "it's true" you said : Show nested quote +only because they won't let the government take care of health care like every other country in the world This was an implication that government healthcare is better because every other country in the world does it. That's what you said. You didn't say "it's probably got merit to it" in what I called you out on.
No, it could just as easily imply that government healthcare is better and every other country in the world is demonstrating it.
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i wasn't the poster you were quoting mr. panther.
to explain the situation further. you mistook a suggestion or proposal for epistemic inquiry for a sufficient argument that the policy is better. that's a misrepresentation of the guy's argument.
let me take a screenshot for you so you can survey your post's mismaneuver in the battle of page 914
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On October 20 2012 11:11 sam!zdat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 09:26 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On October 20 2012 09:20 SayGen wrote:On October 20 2012 09:07 Defacer wrote:On October 20 2012 09:02 jdseemoreglass wrote:On October 20 2012 08:55 farvacola wrote:On October 20 2012 08:51 SayGen wrote:
Loving how the 'Binder full of women' is backfiring on the Obama camp.
Almost funny how the more they say it the more women voters switch to Romney after they look into what he said and realize he has done more for equality than Obama has.
Best part is, Liberals act like they are the defenders of minorities when facts are Republicans are the ones who have done the most good in our country--after all which party freed the slaves.
Want equality, vote Romney
Want more sexism and social injustice, vote Obama This post was "almost funny" until I realized you weren't joking. Though I urge you send a letter to the Romney Campaign suggesting they adopt the slogan, "Vote Romney, after all which party freed the slaves." Is he really serious? I thought SayGen was a lefty, and the post is very over the top... SayGen is to the right of xDaunt. Which is no mean feat ... I'm not left or right, i'm straight up. Pro freedom, personal accountability, economic freedom, liberty, determent military doctrine, flat tax, etc Left is anti freedom. Right is anti freedom. Left has no personal accountability: Bigger goverment, means more corruption/less transparency Right has little personal accountability supporting an upper class beyond the means of growth incentives, allowing billions of dollars to go overseas. Left has no economic freedom. Right is too weak against monopolies/fair competetion policies etc etc both groups/parties suck This election is nothing more than an example of what Lesser of 2 evils is really all about. I think I'd give more weight to a stripper lecturing me on particle physics than what you said here. do you have any idea how much I would pay to have a stripper lecture me on particle physics?
Give her a book and pay her $200, she'll think you're a weirdo but I'm sure you can find one.
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