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On October 19 2012 00:11 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 23:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 18 2012 23:31 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
You can't judge all Republicans by the actions of some. Lots of smart, progressive people are Republican. But, there is no denying the fact that Republicans embody a staunch, religious conservatism much more than the other parties. Legitimate rape, creationism, fear of education (thanks Santorum), and a much less secular vision of government are all associations of the Republican party, regardless of where you personally stand. I don't see a smart progressive person accepting to be in the same party than Santorum, Palin, or Bachman. Or Gingritch, or Perry, or any of those dudes really. Gingrich is smart (much smarter than Romney or Ryan), he's just a colossal douche. Edit: Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 00:00 kmillz wrote:On October 18 2012 23:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 18 2012 23:33 zalz wrote:On October 18 2012 23:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 18 2012 23:21 kmillz wrote:On October 18 2012 21:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I'm amazed how the modern republicans manage to bring two completely different things (More money for the rich & cultural backwardness disguised as "conservatism") into one party and makes it seem coherent, so that broad parts of the population would actually vote for something, that only supports the smallest piece of the population. Nonsense. I'm poor and from the city (Cleveland to be specific) and was raised by my parents who share Republican values, but we live socially liberal. As I grew older I learned about libertarianism and that appealed to me more, but my Republican roots have nothing to do with the 1%. YOUR idea of cultural backwardness is the complete opposite of mine, does that make you more right than me? No. Believe it or not even though I want Mitt Romney to win, I still disagree with a lot of his policies and would vote Ron Paul/Gary Johnson in a heartbeat if they had a chance in this election. I grew up Catholic but am now Agnostic. I hate this notion that all "modern republicans" are portrayed as neanderthals who think 2+2=5 and we want to throw money at rich people. It just isn't like that at all. We think for ourselves too. You quoting me for ssomething I didn't write (although I completely agree with it). Voting Republican when you are poor or middle class is voting against your most basic interest. It's like voting communist if you are a millionaire. I know people who do it, but it makes little sense to me. About cultural backwardness, maybe they are right to be backward, the fact they are is non debatable. Abortion is something we shouldn't even talk about anymore. When you want to go back to the 50's, you are backward. As for libertarians, if they were not complete hypocrites, they would never in a million year associate themselves with Republicans. Not that they are better, but they are not sharing anything on paper with them except for letting the rich and the corporations screw everybody. Not everyone votes on the principe of who gives them the most stuff. Some people have strong ideological convictions that they hold to be true, principles that guide their life. They don't vote on who promises them the most free stuff, they vote on how they feel the world ought to be. I'm sure you know as well as I do that it's not about getting free stuff. It's about not getting your asshole enlarged to the profits of people who already live in extraordinary ostentation. When people who struggle vote so that people like Romney don't pay 18% taxes but rather 12, so that he can buy a fifth swimming pool, and them and his family get deprived of a free universal healthcare, I consider something is wrong. Unless some people living in the shit really are very generous towards billionaires. No. It is definitely not about getting your asshole enlarged to the profits of people who already live in extraordinary ostentation. Why are you trying to paint politics as black and white as if "you either support giving money to rich people" or "you support helping poor people"?? It isn't like that, tax cuts don't JUST benefit the rich. It isn't just about taxes anyway. I think the way the President is handling immigration is horrible. I think he is terrible at "getting muslims to like us" which seems to be the theme of his foreign policy. I disagree with abortion and I don't care what your opinion of how "backwards" that kind of thinking is, I find it morally wrong. I don't care about gay marriage one way or the other. I think drugs should be decriminalized at the very least. I don't care about anything to do with religion. I believe in protecting the constitution, even though alot of people here are cool with shredding it. These are my values and why I do NOT support Barack Obama, everyone has their own opinions so to argue which President is more beneficial to me based on your values is just stupid. At the last town hall, Romney said he and Obama are pretty much identical on immigration and gun control; at the VP debate, Ryan established they're the same on abortion. Neither will decriminalize drugs, neither will do jack all about NDAA, and Romney's idea of foreign policy is "not what Obama did." I don't see how your reasons compel you to Romney.
I'm aware of that, I previously mentioned numberous times in this thread that my opinion = Ron Paul > Gary Johnson > Mitt Romney > Barack Obama just based on my values. I only like Mitt Romney a little bit more than Obama, but I still think they are both not very good candidates.
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On October 19 2012 00:30 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 00:25 TheTenthDoc wrote:On October 19 2012 00:23 mordek wrote:On October 19 2012 00:11 TheTenthDoc wrote:On October 18 2012 23:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 18 2012 23:31 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
You can't judge all Republicans by the actions of some. Lots of smart, progressive people are Republican. But, there is no denying the fact that Republicans embody a staunch, religious conservatism much more than the other parties. Legitimate rape, creationism, fear of education (thanks Santorum), and a much less secular vision of government are all associations of the Republican party, regardless of where you personally stand. I don't see a smart progressive person accepting to be in the same party than Santorum, Palin, or Bachman. Or Gingritch, or Perry, or any of those dudes really. Gingrich is smart (much smarter than Romney or Ryan), he's just a colossal douche. Edit: On October 19 2012 00:00 kmillz wrote:On October 18 2012 23:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 18 2012 23:33 zalz wrote:On October 18 2012 23:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 18 2012 23:21 kmillz wrote:On October 18 2012 21:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I'm amazed how the modern republicans manage to bring two completely different things (More money for the rich & cultural backwardness disguised as "conservatism") into one party and makes it seem coherent, so that broad parts of the population would actually vote for something, that only supports the smallest piece of the population. Nonsense. I'm poor and from the city (Cleveland to be specific) and was raised by my parents who share Republican values, but we live socially liberal. As I grew older I learned about libertarianism and that appealed to me more, but my Republican roots have nothing to do with the 1%. YOUR idea of cultural backwardness is the complete opposite of mine, does that make you more right than me? No. Believe it or not even though I want Mitt Romney to win, I still disagree with a lot of his policies and would vote Ron Paul/Gary Johnson in a heartbeat if they had a chance in this election. I grew up Catholic but am now Agnostic. I hate this notion that all "modern republicans" are portrayed as neanderthals who think 2+2=5 and we want to throw money at rich people. It just isn't like that at all. We think for ourselves too. You quoting me for ssomething I didn't write (although I completely agree with it). Voting Republican when you are poor or middle class is voting against your most basic interest. It's like voting communist if you are a millionaire. I know people who do it, but it makes little sense to me. About cultural backwardness, maybe they are right to be backward, the fact they are is non debatable. Abortion is something we shouldn't even talk about anymore. When you want to go back to the 50's, you are backward. As for libertarians, if they were not complete hypocrites, they would never in a million year associate themselves with Republicans. Not that they are better, but they are not sharing anything on paper with them except for letting the rich and the corporations screw everybody. Not everyone votes on the principe of who gives them the most stuff. Some people have strong ideological convictions that they hold to be true, principles that guide their life. They don't vote on who promises them the most free stuff, they vote on how they feel the world ought to be. I'm sure you know as well as I do that it's not about getting free stuff. It's about not getting your asshole enlarged to the profits of people who already live in extraordinary ostentation. When people who struggle vote so that people like Romney don't pay 18% taxes but rather 12, so that he can buy a fifth swimming pool, and them and his family get deprived of a free universal healthcare, I consider something is wrong. Unless some people living in the shit really are very generous towards billionaires. No. It is definitely not about getting your asshole enlarged to the profits of people who already live in extraordinary ostentation. Why are you trying to paint politics as black and white as if "you either support giving money to rich people" or "you support helping poor people"?? It isn't like that, tax cuts don't JUST benefit the rich. It isn't just about taxes anyway. I think the way the President is handling immigration is horrible. I think he is terrible at "getting muslims to like us" which seems to be the theme of his foreign policy. I disagree with abortion and I don't care what your opinion of how "backwards" that kind of thinking is, I find it morally wrong. I don't care about gay marriage one way or the other. I think drugs should be decriminalized at the very least. I don't care about anything to do with religion. I believe in protecting the constitution, even though alot of people here are cool with shredding it. These are my values and why I do NOT support Barack Obama, everyone has their own opinions so to argue which President is more beneficial to me based on your values is just stupid. At the last town hall, Romney said he and Obama are pretty much identical on immigration and gun control; at the VP debate, Ryan established they're the same on abortion. Neither will decriminalize drugs, neither will do jack all about NDAA, and Romney's idea of foreign policy is "not what Obama did." I don't see how your reasons compel you to Romney. Honestly curious. Based on kmillz views/values why should he pick Obama? I really appreciate being able to read the discussion in this thread so thanks everyone getting in on it. I'm definitely becoming more informed and thinking on important issues. It's fun getting familiar with certain names. I'd have to know more about kmillz's actual foreign policy views and thoughts about the U.S.'s place in the global setting beyond disliking the apology tour, since domestically Romney has pretty much conceded that he's the same as Obama (albeit with a tax plan that boils down to "trust me, I'm a business man"). Edit: Honestly, the only thing I can think of without that is that he should pick Obama because Obama has been slightly to moderately more honest with his views than Romney has over the past year. Seriously, showing the debates during primary season would have single-handedly crushed Romney's hopes-is it okay to lie or at the very least omit the truth to get your party's nomination? What is this Obama apology tour?
Oh, don't you know? Apparently Obama's tour of the middle east when he hit the presidency was an "apology tour" that apologized for our values.
Even if it were actually that, how Romney can maintain apologizing to a region is a bad thing while saying the president should have done more to stop terrorists motivated by anger at the United States is beyond me, but he does it. The cognitive dissonance of saying we should more aggressively antagonize Iran as well is staggering to me, but he does that too.
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when you need to actually discuss why acknowledging past u.s. wrongdoing is not bad, you might as well not play the game.
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What are the main criticisms of Ron Paul from a liberal's point of view? I'm asking purely for understanding the political views from that side, hopefully it's not off-topic because he's not on the ballot.
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On October 18 2012 23:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Voting Republican when you are poor or middle class is voting against your most basic interest. It's like voting communist if you are a millionaire. I know people who do it, but it makes little sense to me.
I'm sure you know as well as I do that it's not about getting free stuff. It's about not getting your asshole enlarged to the profits of people who already live in extraordinary ostentation.
When people who struggle vote so that people like Romney don't pay 18% taxes but rather 12, so that he can buy a fifth swimming pool, and them and his family get deprived of a free universal healthcare, I consider something is wrong. Unless some people living in the shit really are very generous towards billionaires.
don't worry more people are paying attention now and soon we will only allow them to have their swimming pools and big cars only AFTER everyone has health care and a college education and a great job with equal pay
and since we are several pages past I would like to remind everyone to vote! it's important!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330491¤tpage=879#17569
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On October 19 2012 00:35 mordek wrote:
What are the main criticisms of Ron Paul from a liberal's point of view? I'm asking purely for understanding the political views from that side, hopefully it's not off-topic because he's not on the ballot.
Gold standard.
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On October 19 2012 00:31 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 00:11 TheTenthDoc wrote:On October 18 2012 23:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 18 2012 23:31 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
You can't judge all Republicans by the actions of some. Lots of smart, progressive people are Republican. But, there is no denying the fact that Republicans embody a staunch, religious conservatism much more than the other parties. Legitimate rape, creationism, fear of education (thanks Santorum), and a much less secular vision of government are all associations of the Republican party, regardless of where you personally stand. I don't see a smart progressive person accepting to be in the same party than Santorum, Palin, or Bachman. Or Gingritch, or Perry, or any of those dudes really. Gingrich is smart (much smarter than Romney or Ryan), he's just a colossal douche. Edit: On October 19 2012 00:00 kmillz wrote:On October 18 2012 23:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 18 2012 23:33 zalz wrote:On October 18 2012 23:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 18 2012 23:21 kmillz wrote:On October 18 2012 21:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I'm amazed how the modern republicans manage to bring two completely different things (More money for the rich & cultural backwardness disguised as "conservatism") into one party and makes it seem coherent, so that broad parts of the population would actually vote for something, that only supports the smallest piece of the population. Nonsense. I'm poor and from the city (Cleveland to be specific) and was raised by my parents who share Republican values, but we live socially liberal. As I grew older I learned about libertarianism and that appealed to me more, but my Republican roots have nothing to do with the 1%. YOUR idea of cultural backwardness is the complete opposite of mine, does that make you more right than me? No. Believe it or not even though I want Mitt Romney to win, I still disagree with a lot of his policies and would vote Ron Paul/Gary Johnson in a heartbeat if they had a chance in this election. I grew up Catholic but am now Agnostic. I hate this notion that all "modern republicans" are portrayed as neanderthals who think 2+2=5 and we want to throw money at rich people. It just isn't like that at all. We think for ourselves too. You quoting me for ssomething I didn't write (although I completely agree with it). Voting Republican when you are poor or middle class is voting against your most basic interest. It's like voting communist if you are a millionaire. I know people who do it, but it makes little sense to me. About cultural backwardness, maybe they are right to be backward, the fact they are is non debatable. Abortion is something we shouldn't even talk about anymore. When you want to go back to the 50's, you are backward. As for libertarians, if they were not complete hypocrites, they would never in a million year associate themselves with Republicans. Not that they are better, but they are not sharing anything on paper with them except for letting the rich and the corporations screw everybody. Not everyone votes on the principe of who gives them the most stuff. Some people have strong ideological convictions that they hold to be true, principles that guide their life. They don't vote on who promises them the most free stuff, they vote on how they feel the world ought to be. I'm sure you know as well as I do that it's not about getting free stuff. It's about not getting your asshole enlarged to the profits of people who already live in extraordinary ostentation. When people who struggle vote so that people like Romney don't pay 18% taxes but rather 12, so that he can buy a fifth swimming pool, and them and his family get deprived of a free universal healthcare, I consider something is wrong. Unless some people living in the shit really are very generous towards billionaires. No. It is definitely not about getting your asshole enlarged to the profits of people who already live in extraordinary ostentation. Why are you trying to paint politics as black and white as if "you either support giving money to rich people" or "you support helping poor people"?? It isn't like that, tax cuts don't JUST benefit the rich. It isn't just about taxes anyway. I think the way the President is handling immigration is horrible. I think he is terrible at "getting muslims to like us" which seems to be the theme of his foreign policy. I disagree with abortion and I don't care what your opinion of how "backwards" that kind of thinking is, I find it morally wrong. I don't care about gay marriage one way or the other. I think drugs should be decriminalized at the very least. I don't care about anything to do with religion. I believe in protecting the constitution, even though alot of people here are cool with shredding it. These are my values and why I do NOT support Barack Obama, everyone has their own opinions so to argue which President is more beneficial to me based on your values is just stupid. At the last town hall, Romney said he and Obama are pretty much identical on immigration and gun control; at the VP debate, Ryan established they're the same on abortion. Neither will decriminalize drugs, neither will do jack all about NDAA, and Romney's idea of foreign policy is "not what Obama did." I don't see how your reasons compel you to Romney. I'm aware of that, I previously mentioned numberous times in this thread that my opinion = Ron Paul > Gary Johnson > Mitt Romney > Barack Obama just based on my values. I only like Mitt Romney a little bit more than Obama, but I still think they are both not very good candidates.
i don't quite get the whole Ron Paul thing except bringing every soldier home and no longer interferring in everyone else's business is good.
but when have we ever had a president more honest than Obama? I know he wasn't able to do some things like close gitmo or cut the deficit but that was beyond his control. all romney has ever done was get born to a rich dad
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On October 19 2012 00:40 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 00:35 mordek wrote:
What are the main criticisms of Ron Paul from a liberal's point of view? I'm asking purely for understanding the political views from that side, hopefully it's not off-topic because he's not on the ballot. Gold standard.
Cool thanks. Something to look into now. In general I like his stances on issues so I want to be critical 
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On October 19 2012 00:42 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 00:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On October 19 2012 00:35 mordek wrote:
What are the main criticisms of Ron Paul from a liberal's point of view? I'm asking purely for understanding the political views from that side, hopefully it's not off-topic because he's not on the ballot. Gold standard. Cool thanks. Something to look into now. In general I like his stances on issues so I want to be critical
I mean seriously, the guy's too crazy for even the GOP. Austrian economics.
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On October 19 2012 00:23 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 23:31 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
You can't judge all Republicans by the actions of some. Lots of smart, progressive people are Republican. But, there is no denying the fact that Republicans embody a staunch, religious conservatism much more than the other parties. Legitimate rape, creationism, fear of education (thanks Santorum), and a much less secular vision of government are all associations of the Republican party, regardless of where you personally stand. i keep hearing this, that 'most' republicans arent so bat shit insane. and yet i cant find one, every single person put forward as "the sane one" seems to agree with at least one of these view points. following any 1 of these views shows a lack of education or critical thinking which in my book should make them impossible to vote for. so if anyone could show me some sane republicans, that would be just great.
Hang on there. I never said 'most', I said some
Most of the people I know who are republicans, and I deem smart, generally try to ignore and forget the conservative social platform.
My point was, that while every party or group of any kind has loud mouthed douchebags, the Republican party seems to define itself by them.
..and almost make them the presidential nominee. I mean, as much as I don't like Mitt, wtf would have happened if Perry, Santorum, Gingritch, or Cain was in his spot right now?!?! I would have to move out of the country.
EDIT: I almost forgot Ryan and Palin. I would literally crap myself if either one of them found themselves as president, and the fact that they have both been in a position where that situation is conceivable.... wtf America. wtf.
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On October 19 2012 00:41 nevermindthebollocks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 00:31 kmillz wrote:On October 19 2012 00:11 TheTenthDoc wrote:On October 18 2012 23:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 18 2012 23:31 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
You can't judge all Republicans by the actions of some. Lots of smart, progressive people are Republican. But, there is no denying the fact that Republicans embody a staunch, religious conservatism much more than the other parties. Legitimate rape, creationism, fear of education (thanks Santorum), and a much less secular vision of government are all associations of the Republican party, regardless of where you personally stand. I don't see a smart progressive person accepting to be in the same party than Santorum, Palin, or Bachman. Or Gingritch, or Perry, or any of those dudes really. Gingrich is smart (much smarter than Romney or Ryan), he's just a colossal douche. Edit: On October 19 2012 00:00 kmillz wrote:On October 18 2012 23:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 18 2012 23:33 zalz wrote:On October 18 2012 23:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 18 2012 23:21 kmillz wrote:On October 18 2012 21:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I'm amazed how the modern republicans manage to bring two completely different things (More money for the rich & cultural backwardness disguised as "conservatism") into one party and makes it seem coherent, so that broad parts of the population would actually vote for something, that only supports the smallest piece of the population. Nonsense. I'm poor and from the city (Cleveland to be specific) and was raised by my parents who share Republican values, but we live socially liberal. As I grew older I learned about libertarianism and that appealed to me more, but my Republican roots have nothing to do with the 1%. YOUR idea of cultural backwardness is the complete opposite of mine, does that make you more right than me? No. Believe it or not even though I want Mitt Romney to win, I still disagree with a lot of his policies and would vote Ron Paul/Gary Johnson in a heartbeat if they had a chance in this election. I grew up Catholic but am now Agnostic. I hate this notion that all "modern republicans" are portrayed as neanderthals who think 2+2=5 and we want to throw money at rich people. It just isn't like that at all. We think for ourselves too. You quoting me for ssomething I didn't write (although I completely agree with it). Voting Republican when you are poor or middle class is voting against your most basic interest. It's like voting communist if you are a millionaire. I know people who do it, but it makes little sense to me. About cultural backwardness, maybe they are right to be backward, the fact they are is non debatable. Abortion is something we shouldn't even talk about anymore. When you want to go back to the 50's, you are backward. As for libertarians, if they were not complete hypocrites, they would never in a million year associate themselves with Republicans. Not that they are better, but they are not sharing anything on paper with them except for letting the rich and the corporations screw everybody. Not everyone votes on the principe of who gives them the most stuff. Some people have strong ideological convictions that they hold to be true, principles that guide their life. They don't vote on who promises them the most free stuff, they vote on how they feel the world ought to be. I'm sure you know as well as I do that it's not about getting free stuff. It's about not getting your asshole enlarged to the profits of people who already live in extraordinary ostentation. When people who struggle vote so that people like Romney don't pay 18% taxes but rather 12, so that he can buy a fifth swimming pool, and them and his family get deprived of a free universal healthcare, I consider something is wrong. Unless some people living in the shit really are very generous towards billionaires. No. It is definitely not about getting your asshole enlarged to the profits of people who already live in extraordinary ostentation. Why are you trying to paint politics as black and white as if "you either support giving money to rich people" or "you support helping poor people"?? It isn't like that, tax cuts don't JUST benefit the rich. It isn't just about taxes anyway. I think the way the President is handling immigration is horrible. I think he is terrible at "getting muslims to like us" which seems to be the theme of his foreign policy. I disagree with abortion and I don't care what your opinion of how "backwards" that kind of thinking is, I find it morally wrong. I don't care about gay marriage one way or the other. I think drugs should be decriminalized at the very least. I don't care about anything to do with religion. I believe in protecting the constitution, even though alot of people here are cool with shredding it. These are my values and why I do NOT support Barack Obama, everyone has their own opinions so to argue which President is more beneficial to me based on your values is just stupid. At the last town hall, Romney said he and Obama are pretty much identical on immigration and gun control; at the VP debate, Ryan established they're the same on abortion. Neither will decriminalize drugs, neither will do jack all about NDAA, and Romney's idea of foreign policy is "not what Obama did." I don't see how your reasons compel you to Romney. I'm aware of that, I previously mentioned numberous times in this thread that my opinion = Ron Paul > Gary Johnson > Mitt Romney > Barack Obama just based on my values. I only like Mitt Romney a little bit more than Obama, but I still think they are both not very good candidates. i don't quite get the whole Ron Paul thing except bringing every soldier home and no longer interferring in everyone else's business is good. but when have we ever had a president more honest than Obama? I know he wasn't able to do some things like close gitmo or cut the deficit but that was beyond his control. all romney has ever done was get born to a rich dad
Exactly why I want to vote Obama out. I like Ron Paul alot, but its more than pulling the troops out, he seems like the best person capable of turning this country around and less government involvement is what I want.
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On October 19 2012 00:37 nevermindthebollocks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 23:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Voting Republican when you are poor or middle class is voting against your most basic interest. It's like voting communist if you are a millionaire. I know people who do it, but it makes little sense to me.
I'm sure you know as well as I do that it's not about getting free stuff. It's about not getting your asshole enlarged to the profits of people who already live in extraordinary ostentation.
When people who struggle vote so that people like Romney don't pay 18% taxes but rather 12, so that he can buy a fifth swimming pool, and them and his family get deprived of a free universal healthcare, I consider something is wrong. Unless some people living in the shit really are very generous towards billionaires. don't worry more people are paying attention now and soon we will only allow them to have their swimming pools and big cars only AFTER everyone has health care and a college education and a great job with equal pay
Yes it will be great when the government finally assumes its proper role of telling everyone what they are allowed to have and when they are allowed to have it.
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On October 19 2012 00:45 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
EDIT: I almost forgot Ryan and Palin. I would literally crap myself if either one of them found themselves as president, and the fact that they have both been in a position where that situation is conceivable.... wtf America. wtf.
Comments like this one are precisely why I don't bother explaining to liberals which conservatives are "intelligent" and why. Total waste of time.
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Less government involvement = less taxes and financial regulation.
Given the conservative social platform, you'll get more government involvement with your daily life if Mitt is elected.
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EDIT: I almost forgot Ryan and Palin. I would literally crap myself if either one of them found themselves as president, and the fact that they have both been in a position where that situation is conceivable.... wtf America. wtf.
And you don't think Americans feel the same way about Biden? LOLOLOL
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On October 19 2012 01:14 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 00:45 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
EDIT: I almost forgot Ryan and Palin. I would literally crap myself if either one of them found themselves as president, and the fact that they have both been in a position where that situation is conceivable.... wtf America. wtf. Comments like this one are precisely why I don't bother explaining to liberals which conservatives are "intelligent" and why. Total waste of time.
Liberals mostly believe that the best way to make the world a better place is to have a sophisticated and powerful government that will make lots of decisions for ordinary people who lack that ability to make those decisions for themselves. Obamacare is the most obvious example. But in order to believe this one has to have a pretty low opinion of "normal" people. I think this is why so many liberals seem to think of themselves as way smarter than the average voter.
I think this is also why liberals always seem to be caught up in talking about how right wing politicians are stupid. Even in the case of obviously intelligent people like Paul Ryan, your average poster on team liquid is somehow able to believe that he's an idiot in order to avoid cognitive dissonance with the rest of his deeply held belief system.
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On October 19 2012 01:21 ziggurat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 01:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 19 2012 00:45 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
EDIT: I almost forgot Ryan and Palin. I would literally crap myself if either one of them found themselves as president, and the fact that they have both been in a position where that situation is conceivable.... wtf America. wtf. Comments like this one are precisely why I don't bother explaining to liberals which conservatives are "intelligent" and why. Total waste of time. Liberals mostly believe that the best way to make the world a better place is to have a sophisticated and powerful government that will make lots of decisions for ordinary people who lack that ability to make those decisions for themselves. Obamacare is the most obvious example. But in order to believe this one has to have a pretty low opinion of "normal" people. I think this is why so many liberals seem to think of themselves as way smarter than the average voter. I think this is also why liberals always seem to be caught up in talking about how right wing politicians are stupid. Even in the case of obviously intelligent people like Paul Ryan, your average poster on team liquid is somehow able to believe that he's an idiot in order to avoid cognitive dissonance with the rest of his deeply held belief system.
I don't believe Ryan is an idiot. I think he has an extreme platform which would damage many people's lives.
You got me on Palin though. She's goddamn stupid.
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On October 19 2012 01:14 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 00:45 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
EDIT: I almost forgot Ryan and Palin. I would literally crap myself if either one of them found themselves as president, and the fact that they have both been in a position where that situation is conceivable.... wtf America. wtf. Comments like this one are precisely why I don't bother explaining to liberals which conservatives are "intelligent" and why. Total waste of time.
You're just as guilty as us.
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On October 19 2012 01:21 ziggurat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 01:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 19 2012 00:45 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
EDIT: I almost forgot Ryan and Palin. I would literally crap myself if either one of them found themselves as president, and the fact that they have both been in a position where that situation is conceivable.... wtf America. wtf. Comments like this one are precisely why I don't bother explaining to liberals which conservatives are "intelligent" and why. Total waste of time. Liberals mostly believe that the best way to make the world a better place is to have a sophisticated and powerful government that will make lots of decisions for ordinary people who lack that ability to make those decisions for themselves. Obamacare is the most obvious example. But in order to believe this one has to have a pretty low opinion of "normal" people. I think this is why so many liberals seem to think of themselves as way smarter than the average voter. I think this is also why liberals always seem to be caught up in talking about how right wing politicians are stupid. Even in the case of obviously intelligent people like Paul Ryan, your average poster on team liquid is somehow able to believe that he's an idiot in order to avoid cognitive dissonance with the rest of his deeply held belief system.
What has Paul Ryan done to make you think he's smart? His budget is basically, assume that government spending is x% of GDP, tax revenue is y% of GDP, and voucherize Medicare, now lets calculate the deficit.
It's a scam. It's as void of details as Romney's tax plan.
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On October 19 2012 01:29 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 01:21 ziggurat wrote:On October 19 2012 01:14 xDaunt wrote:On October 19 2012 00:45 mynameisgreat11 wrote:
EDIT: I almost forgot Ryan and Palin. I would literally crap myself if either one of them found themselves as president, and the fact that they have both been in a position where that situation is conceivable.... wtf America. wtf. Comments like this one are precisely why I don't bother explaining to liberals which conservatives are "intelligent" and why. Total waste of time. Liberals mostly believe that the best way to make the world a better place is to have a sophisticated and powerful government that will make lots of decisions for ordinary people who lack that ability to make those decisions for themselves. Obamacare is the most obvious example. But in order to believe this one has to have a pretty low opinion of "normal" people. I think this is why so many liberals seem to think of themselves as way smarter than the average voter. I think this is also why liberals always seem to be caught up in talking about how right wing politicians are stupid. Even in the case of obviously intelligent people like Paul Ryan, your average poster on team liquid is somehow able to believe that he's an idiot in order to avoid cognitive dissonance with the rest of his deeply held belief system. What has Paul Ryan done to make you think he's smart? His budget is basically, assume that government spending is x% of GDP, tax revenue is y% of GDP, and voucherize Medicare, now lets calculate the deficit. It's a scam. It's as void of details as Romney's tax plan.
Serious question. Do you believe that you are more knowledgable about these issues than Paul Ryan? Do you believe that you are "smarter" than him, in any sense of the word? Or even Sarah Palin?
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