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How has the inability to cut anything since Eisenhower been working out?
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On April 19 2012 22:52 Energizer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 22:46 CoR wrote:On April 19 2012 22:42 Energizer wrote:On April 19 2012 18:46 Iplaythings wrote:Obama, if you weren't up against crazy opposition against McCain, you are now Good luck, I will pray and hope for the democrats keeping the main power in the US. Many republicans are such warmongers (McCain and Bush are, to me atleast) it's really sad that there wont be a reasonable alternative to Obama (atleast in this Dane's head), not because Obama has done it horrible necessarily, just because alternatives are allways  Right, damn those republicans for declaring war on Libya! Oh wait... usa didnt declaring war on libya ... it was the nato NATO isn't the US. Simple fact is Obama declared war on Libya without congressional approval dragging the US into ANOTHER middle east war, all to help the French who feared over their oil supply line.
Please do some research and think. The cost of maintaining a no-fly zone over Libya, during which not a single American life was lost, dwarves in comparison to the Iraq and Afghani wars (thankfully he's finally getting out of Iraq). And if you think that the US should do nothing to protect oil supplies, look at what happened the past month with rising oil prices simply due to SPECULATION that Iran MIGHT declare war. MIGHT. Now imagine if one of the oil transport routes to Europe was actually disrupted due to war/conflict. You'd be out to hang him according to your standards.
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There is not enough education in the United States to make an informed decision about who to vote for.
Foreign policy? World economics? War? How many of us are qualified to cast a vote based on these topics? How many of us know the tax codes inside and out?
When the candidates themselves go out of their way to manipulate you, it's difficult to actually make a decision. We believe what they tell us. The Iraq war was unpopular because it was televised and spun as a right-wing led invasion. On the other hand, Afghanistan doesn't have nearly as much coverage. Our soldiers suffer because the citizens simply don't pay attention. We're too busy to care. We're too busy to read up on world affairs and how things work.
These systems are so impenetrable, you can't make an informed decision. Luckily, it's not up to us. It's up to the electoral colleges. But I digress.
Romney or Obama? If Romney is elected I guarantee you that the Afghanistan war will suddenly become a hot topic, and why hasn't Romney brought our boys home yet?
That said, Obama can't lose. He knows this. I don't see how anyone can't know that. The republican party has had to cater to Tea Party extremists for far too long, and it shows. I've seen it here in Virginia! They tried to pass a bill that mandated transvaginil ultrasounds for abortions. Another bill declared that life begins at conception. This is the disaster that they're facing.
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2 points:
1. Was Libya really that big of a deal? No American lives were lost, American feet would never touch Libyan soil, and we followed the lead of the international community. I feel that is the complete opposite of war-mongering and in stark contrast to what Bush would have done.
2. The people that truly believe that Romney will balance the budget are delirious and naive. There is no way a first term president will cut spending and attempt to reduce the deficit. Cutting spending does not get you re-elected so at this point you better pray that Obama goes rogue and just pushes stuff through. Else Romney will probably just cut taxes, ignore the deficit, and spend all in the name of "boosting the economy."
There is a massive conflict of interest in American politics as making the hard decisions usually results in the politician getting kicked out of office.
FULL DISCLOSURE: I am a graduating college student from Boston who supports Obama (although not wholeheartedly). Having said that I have a feeling Romney will win the election, as he can only get stronger and Obama weaker.
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On April 19 2012 23:07 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 23:04 Vega62a wrote:On April 19 2012 23:02 U_G_L_Y wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Dear rest_of_the_world: You assume responsibility for our national debt and entitlement obligations and we will be more than happy to. Otherwise, I am going with the guy who got a perfect score on his SAT and balanced budgets for a living, even if he is socially awkward. Until you are paying the bill, mind your own business You do understand that it's not the president's job to balance the budget, don't you? That's Congress. You do understand that Mitt Romney balanced budgets primarily by means of hostile corporate takeovers and mass layoffs, don't you? That's not particularly good for job growth. Just making sure. Yeah, it's not like presidents are required to approve budgets or other laws from Congress or anything for them to be effective. Also, I forgot that part of the job description of the governor of Massachusetts is to engage in hostile corporate takeovers. Apparently my civics classes were worse than yours.
Romney's record at Bain:
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/opinion/krugman-all-the-gops-gekkos.html
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Voting Obama would be a travesty. Religious intolerance, pathetic foreign policy, egotism, and missed economics opportunities. You've got my vote, Mr. Romney.
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On April 19 2012 23:29 Etrnity wrote:
Voting Obama would be a travesty. Religious intolerance, pathetic foreign policy, egotism, and missed economics opportunities. You've got my vote, Mr. Romney.
Religious intolerance...?
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On April 19 2012 23:28 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 23:07 xDaunt wrote:On April 19 2012 23:04 Vega62a wrote:On April 19 2012 23:02 U_G_L_Y wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Dear rest_of_the_world: You assume responsibility for our national debt and entitlement obligations and we will be more than happy to. Otherwise, I am going with the guy who got a perfect score on his SAT and balanced budgets for a living, even if he is socially awkward. Until you are paying the bill, mind your own business You do understand that it's not the president's job to balance the budget, don't you? That's Congress. You do understand that Mitt Romney balanced budgets primarily by means of hostile corporate takeovers and mass layoffs, don't you? That's not particularly good for job growth. Just making sure. Yeah, it's not like presidents are required to approve budgets or other laws from Congress or anything for them to be effective. Also, I forgot that part of the job description of the governor of Massachusetts is to engage in hostile corporate takeovers. Apparently my civics classes were worse than yours. Romney's record at Bain: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/opinion/krugman-all-the-gops-gekkos.html
Again, how is this relevant to the fact that Massachusetts had balanced budgets under Romney?
Hint: It's not.
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On April 19 2012 23:28 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 23:07 xDaunt wrote:On April 19 2012 23:04 Vega62a wrote:On April 19 2012 23:02 U_G_L_Y wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Dear rest_of_the_world: You assume responsibility for our national debt and entitlement obligations and we will be more than happy to. Otherwise, I am going with the guy who got a perfect score on his SAT and balanced budgets for a living, even if he is socially awkward. Until you are paying the bill, mind your own business You do understand that it's not the president's job to balance the budget, don't you? That's Congress. You do understand that Mitt Romney balanced budgets primarily by means of hostile corporate takeovers and mass layoffs, don't you? That's not particularly good for job growth. Just making sure. Yeah, it's not like presidents are required to approve budgets or other laws from Congress or anything for them to be effective. Also, I forgot that part of the job description of the governor of Massachusetts is to engage in hostile corporate takeovers. Apparently my civics classes were worse than yours. Romney's record at Bain: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/opinion/krugman-all-the-gops-gekkos.html
If you read NYTimes or Paul Krugman you are severely misinformed.
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On April 19 2012 23:26 Sweepstakes wrote:
1. Was Libya really that big of a deal? No American lives were lost,
Yes it was. American lives are no more valuable than any others.
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Looks like TL polls have spoken.
Voting for Obama.
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On April 19 2012 22:46 Lightwip wrote:
This election is a walk-over. Obama won't lose unless something goes seriously wrong.
I'm more concerned about Congress.
This is what a lot of people were feeling in 2004 =/
On April 19 2012 23:29 Etrnity wrote:
Voting Obama would be a travesty. Religious intolerance, pathetic foreign policy, egotism, and missed economics opportunities. You've got my vote, Mr. Romney.
Wait...
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On April 19 2012 23:31 scaban84 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 23:28 paralleluniverse wrote:On April 19 2012 23:07 xDaunt wrote:On April 19 2012 23:04 Vega62a wrote:On April 19 2012 23:02 U_G_L_Y wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Dear rest_of_the_world: You assume responsibility for our national debt and entitlement obligations and we will be more than happy to. Otherwise, I am going with the guy who got a perfect score on his SAT and balanced budgets for a living, even if he is socially awkward. Until you are paying the bill, mind your own business You do understand that it's not the president's job to balance the budget, don't you? That's Congress. You do understand that Mitt Romney balanced budgets primarily by means of hostile corporate takeovers and mass layoffs, don't you? That's not particularly good for job growth. Just making sure. Yeah, it's not like presidents are required to approve budgets or other laws from Congress or anything for them to be effective. Also, I forgot that part of the job description of the governor of Massachusetts is to engage in hostile corporate takeovers. Apparently my civics classes were worse than yours. Romney's record at Bain: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/opinion/krugman-all-the-gops-gekkos.html If you read NYTimes or Paul Krugman you are severely misinformed.
Source?
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On April 19 2012 23:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 23:28 paralleluniverse wrote:On April 19 2012 23:07 xDaunt wrote:On April 19 2012 23:04 Vega62a wrote:On April 19 2012 23:02 U_G_L_Y wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Dear rest_of_the_world: You assume responsibility for our national debt and entitlement obligations and we will be more than happy to. Otherwise, I am going with the guy who got a perfect score on his SAT and balanced budgets for a living, even if he is socially awkward. Until you are paying the bill, mind your own business You do understand that it's not the president's job to balance the budget, don't you? That's Congress. You do understand that Mitt Romney balanced budgets primarily by means of hostile corporate takeovers and mass layoffs, don't you? That's not particularly good for job growth. Just making sure. Yeah, it's not like presidents are required to approve budgets or other laws from Congress or anything for them to be effective. Also, I forgot that part of the job description of the governor of Massachusetts is to engage in hostile corporate takeovers. Apparently my civics classes were worse than yours. Romney's record at Bain: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/opinion/krugman-all-the-gops-gekkos.html Again, how is this relevant to the fact that Massachusetts had balanced budgets under Romney? Hint: It's not.
Virtually all states in the US are required by law to have balanced budgets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_budget_amendment#U.S._states
I suggest you learn your own country's laws, before having to be schooled in them by an Australian.
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On April 19 2012 23:35 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 23:31 scaban84 wrote:On April 19 2012 23:28 paralleluniverse wrote:On April 19 2012 23:07 xDaunt wrote:On April 19 2012 23:04 Vega62a wrote:On April 19 2012 23:02 U_G_L_Y wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Dear rest_of_the_world: You assume responsibility for our national debt and entitlement obligations and we will be more than happy to. Otherwise, I am going with the guy who got a perfect score on his SAT and balanced budgets for a living, even if he is socially awkward. Until you are paying the bill, mind your own business You do understand that it's not the president's job to balance the budget, don't you? That's Congress. You do understand that Mitt Romney balanced budgets primarily by means of hostile corporate takeovers and mass layoffs, don't you? That's not particularly good for job growth. Just making sure. Yeah, it's not like presidents are required to approve budgets or other laws from Congress or anything for them to be effective. Also, I forgot that part of the job description of the governor of Massachusetts is to engage in hostile corporate takeovers. Apparently my civics classes were worse than yours. Romney's record at Bain: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/opinion/krugman-all-the-gops-gekkos.html If you read NYTimes or Paul Krugman you are severely misinformed. Source?
Source: Read any Op-Ed by Paul Krugman.
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On April 19 2012 23:29 Etrnity wrote:
Voting Obama would be a travesty. Religious intolerance, pathetic foreign policy, egotism, and missed economics opportunities. You've got my vote, Mr. Romney.
Religious intolerance? wtf?
Separation of church and state my friend.
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All Romney wants to do is make the rich richer and cut support to the poor. He agrees with Ryans budget that gives the military more money than it literally asked for and then Ryan accused those who made the military budget of lying about how much they needed and instead of making that money useful he cuts a substanial amount of social services. Romneys against the buffett rule that would cut taxes for anyone who makes under a million a year. Romney has tried to appeal to the rebulican party so much during the primary he dug himself a hole for the general election, can't wait to see what position he flip flops on next!
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On April 19 2012 23:37 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 23:31 xDaunt wrote:On April 19 2012 23:28 paralleluniverse wrote:On April 19 2012 23:07 xDaunt wrote:On April 19 2012 23:04 Vega62a wrote:On April 19 2012 23:02 U_G_L_Y wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Dear rest_of_the_world: You assume responsibility for our national debt and entitlement obligations and we will be more than happy to. Otherwise, I am going with the guy who got a perfect score on his SAT and balanced budgets for a living, even if he is socially awkward. Until you are paying the bill, mind your own business You do understand that it's not the president's job to balance the budget, don't you? That's Congress. You do understand that Mitt Romney balanced budgets primarily by means of hostile corporate takeovers and mass layoffs, don't you? That's not particularly good for job growth. Just making sure. Yeah, it's not like presidents are required to approve budgets or other laws from Congress or anything for them to be effective. Also, I forgot that part of the job description of the governor of Massachusetts is to engage in hostile corporate takeovers. Apparently my civics classes were worse than yours. Romney's record at Bain: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/opinion/krugman-all-the-gops-gekkos.html Again, how is this relevant to the fact that Massachusetts had balanced budgets under Romney? Hint: It's not. Virtually all states in the US are required by law to have balanced budgets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_budget_amendment#U.S._statesI suggest you learn your own country's laws, before having to be schooled in them by an Australian.
Yeah, and states break those laws all of the time, particularly over the past several years due to sharp decreases in revenue due to the economic downturn.
But back on point: are you so intellectually dishonest that you won't admit the simple fact that Massachusetts had balanced budgets under Romney?
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On April 19 2012 23:37 scaban84 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 23:35 paralleluniverse wrote:On April 19 2012 23:31 scaban84 wrote:On April 19 2012 23:28 paralleluniverse wrote:On April 19 2012 23:07 xDaunt wrote:On April 19 2012 23:04 Vega62a wrote:On April 19 2012 23:02 U_G_L_Y wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Dear rest_of_the_world: You assume responsibility for our national debt and entitlement obligations and we will be more than happy to. Otherwise, I am going with the guy who got a perfect score on his SAT and balanced budgets for a living, even if he is socially awkward. Until you are paying the bill, mind your own business You do understand that it's not the president's job to balance the budget, don't you? That's Congress. You do understand that Mitt Romney balanced budgets primarily by means of hostile corporate takeovers and mass layoffs, don't you? That's not particularly good for job growth. Just making sure. Yeah, it's not like presidents are required to approve budgets or other laws from Congress or anything for them to be effective. Also, I forgot that part of the job description of the governor of Massachusetts is to engage in hostile corporate takeovers. Apparently my civics classes were worse than yours. Romney's record at Bain: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/opinion/krugman-all-the-gops-gekkos.html If you read NYTimes or Paul Krugman you are severely misinformed. Source? Source: Read any Op-Ed by Paul Krugman.
Please specify something in that GOP Gekko op-ed that was incorrect.
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On April 19 2012 23:37 scaban84 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 23:35 paralleluniverse wrote:On April 19 2012 23:31 scaban84 wrote:On April 19 2012 23:28 paralleluniverse wrote:On April 19 2012 23:07 xDaunt wrote:On April 19 2012 23:04 Vega62a wrote:On April 19 2012 23:02 U_G_L_Y wrote:On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world. Dear rest_of_the_world: You assume responsibility for our national debt and entitlement obligations and we will be more than happy to. Otherwise, I am going with the guy who got a perfect score on his SAT and balanced budgets for a living, even if he is socially awkward. Until you are paying the bill, mind your own business You do understand that it's not the president's job to balance the budget, don't you? That's Congress. You do understand that Mitt Romney balanced budgets primarily by means of hostile corporate takeovers and mass layoffs, don't you? That's not particularly good for job growth. Just making sure. Yeah, it's not like presidents are required to approve budgets or other laws from Congress or anything for them to be effective. Also, I forgot that part of the job description of the governor of Massachusetts is to engage in hostile corporate takeovers. Apparently my civics classes were worse than yours. Romney's record at Bain: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/opinion/krugman-all-the-gops-gekkos.html If you read NYTimes or Paul Krugman you are severely misinformed. Source? Source: Read any Op-Ed by Paul Krugman.
In other word, you have none.
The problem with Republicans is that ideology trumps fact.
They are anti-science and anti-intellectual.
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