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On April 25 2012 21:28 Ermac wrote:
Seriously, I don't know where all this Obama love is coming from. First he gets the Nobel Peace Prize in advance for some things he might do or not do, then he does not show he deserved it and then he dominates re-election polls for... what exactly? Could someone elaborate please?
Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's a bad guy or anything. But I don't see what's so special about him either.
It has more to do with the weak Republican field then Obama's greatness. And I have the feeling the republican are almost hoping they lose the elections with some of the moves they make.
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On April 25 2012 21:28 Ermac wrote:
Seriously, I don't know where all this Obama love is coming from. First he gets the Nobel Peace Prize in advance for some things he might do or not do, then he does not show he deserved it and then he dominates re-election polls for... what exactly? Could someone elaborate please?
Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's a bad guy or anything. But I don't see what's so special about him either.
If you are asking about European perspective it is quite simple. If you put politics in terms of left and right, then in the US, Democrats/Obama is left, Republican/Romney is right.
In Europe, Obama would be considered solidly right, and Romney would be considered close to fringe right (really, he would). That means that from a European perspective, there is the choice between a right wing candidate, or a fringe candidate. So the obvious favorite is Obama.
The only things that can change this voting ideology is if foreign policy is somehow weirdly different from general political ideology, unless that happens, the majority of Europeans will agree more with the Democrats.
If someone has links to polling results for the last presidential elections, that would be good.
But the Nobel Peace Prize was a political act for sure.
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On April 25 2012 18:07 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 13:31 .Wilsh. wrote:On April 25 2012 13:21 aksfjh wrote:On April 25 2012 13:13 tokicheese wrote:On April 25 2012 13:10 Avatar Korra wrote:On April 25 2012 12:53 Oreo7 wrote:On April 25 2012 09:57 xDaunt wrote:
Hah, great line from Romney during his speech: "The past few years are the best that President Obama can do. They are not the best that America can do." It's such an appeal to ignorance it's hilarious. I wish all the people in this thread would provide reasoned arguments for their opinions rather than just make single-sentence statements and then assume that everyone will take their view that they're correct. If you feel like what Romney says is ignorant, then explain why you take that view (e.g. Talk about why without Obama's such and such policies America would not be as ahead as it currently is or something). Don't just say it's hilarious and then not back it up with why you think it's so wrong, because then it's just hilarious to no-one but yourself. It's pretty obvious he inherited 2 wars and a terrible economy from Bush. Those things surely had an effect on why his term has looked so bad. And, like others have pointed out, a Congress whose #1 goal was to chase the President out of the White House. They have proposed almost nothing of substance, always playing the political games. Umm he had a majority in both houses for the first 2 years. All his budgets get shot down unanimously by both sides. The senate is a weird place where standard rules dont apply. In senate 60 out of 100 is the only majority that matters and he had that for a little less than a year and even then getting uninanimous consent in just your party on anything is near impossible.
That is incorrect. Under senate rules you cannot fillibuster a budget. Not having 60 votes does not excuse them for not passing a budget. Also the democrats used budget reconcilliation rules to pass the healthcare law without 60 votes.
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I encourage everyone to get the facts before voting. It's sad to see that people watch MSNBC for 5 minutes a day and think they have any clue whats really going on in America. The media is biased, FOX and CNN. You've got to have an alternative source of information. The United States is in more trouble than I think 95% of you realize. America was founded on liberty and freedom. We have become slaves to the federal government. It is becoming more and more common for the average U.S. citizen to care less for what he could do for his country, but instead insists that someone else pay for they're sloth. If you were to confiscate the wealth of every rich citizen in the U.S. (Communism, which is now rearing it's ugly head inside the U.S.), it wouldn't even put a dent in the debt. The government is making promises it cannot keep, and the citizens could care less about the coming generations. America is going the way socialism and headed for bankruptcy. We are under a soft tyranny. I encourage everyone to pick up a copy of Liberty and Tyranny or Ameritopia. These books will change your life and help you to understand how close we all are to losing everything. The government now controls more than 65% of our economy. We are now 15 trillion dollars and debt and climbing quickly. If America doesn't reverse course this election cycle, you are going to see an economic meltdown unlike anything ever witnessed since the beginning of civilization. It's not a matter of republican vs democrat anymore; although, it's clear that democrats have been far more destructive via implementation of massive government programs and spending. It's about the citizens vs. the government. How anyone could think Obama has been a good president is shocking. He had the senate and house. He passed everything he wanted. As a result, we are now so far in debt that we may never see our way out, and for what? What has he given us that has made us any better off? The real answer to that is nothing. The sad part about the whole matter is that the damage he has done won't truly be seen until years after he's left office. He keeps making empty promises and we keep falling for it every time hook line and sinker. Be honest with yourself, how many promises has Obama broken. I think even the more liberal individual would have to admit, damn near every single one of his promises has been broken. As a result, the greatest nation on the planet will fall from within. You and your children will never experience the true "American Dream," it has been killed by greedy politicians who piss on your leg and tell you it's raining. For every program they create, that money is coming from somewhere and not just the rich. You are being taxed enormously and don't know any better. This is all you've ever known. For example, in the 70's you could buy a car for a 100 dollars. If you made a 100 dollars a week, you had a place to live, food to eat, and the ability to buy a car. Can you honestly say that you can make it today on a 9 to 5. I'm willing to bet 90% of you are struggling or live with your parents. It's not supposed to be like this. We need to take another direction and fast. Honestly, I think Romney isn't willing to make the hard choices, but instead will manage the decay. We don't need someone who can run the machine efficiently; we need someone who can dismantle it, because it's nothing but corrupt. Romney however, is a far better choice than Obama. This election will determine the fate of America. I hope you truly understand the implications of this. What made America great? Individual choice, freedom from the government, and capitalism. What is Obama? A marxist and a socialist, which have been proven to fail. Look at Greece, that's where America is headed, but who is going to bail us out? NO ONE. No one possibly could, we are the financial cornerstone of the planet. Wake up people!
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Obamanation666, few people will read what you write unless you do some paragraph division.
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That "congress" was a result of people voting against democrats because they were disapointed in Obama/the democrats. He inherited a democrat majority in both the senate and the house but failed to act accordingly in the eyes of the voters.
The Democrats in Congress failed to act accordinly in the eyes of the voters, who chose Obama and his political mandate. And yet, the Republicans spin it to be a failure on Obama's part. I just hope people don't fall for this kind of manipulative, political spinning.
That's not political spin. That's called a fact.
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You need paragraphs... LOADS of them..
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Is Obamanation a novelty joke account? I really can't tell in this thread anymore.
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On April 25 2012 22:18 Batch wrote:
Obamanation666, few people will read what you write unless you do some paragraph division.
HAHA, Almost lost coffee, not good.
Editing: Obamanation666 is at the low end of the coping scales in the information he has aquired. Then again, there is tiny lil nuggets of truth strewn through the wreckage known as "his paragraph'.
Crushing Debt- check
Complicit Media- check
Problem is not partisian-check
Either he needs to start heavy recreational drug use, or lay way, way off.
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It's kinda sad that the worst you can do is attack me for not making use of paragraphs. How about you pay less attention to the way I format a post and more attention to its content. Can we focus on the substance and refrain from personal attacks? The only one who is out of line here is you. If you would like to dispute anything I've written, I'd be more than happy to hear your facts and opinions. "Truth is the mother of all hatred," Ausonius.
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On April 25 2012 21:12 Adila wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 18:07 Adreme wrote:On April 25 2012 13:31 .Wilsh. wrote:On April 25 2012 13:21 aksfjh wrote:On April 25 2012 13:13 tokicheese wrote:On April 25 2012 13:10 Avatar Korra wrote:On April 25 2012 12:53 Oreo7 wrote:On April 25 2012 09:57 xDaunt wrote:
Hah, great line from Romney during his speech: "The past few years are the best that President Obama can do. They are not the best that America can do." It's such an appeal to ignorance it's hilarious. I wish all the people in this thread would provide reasoned arguments for their opinions rather than just make single-sentence statements and then assume that everyone will take their view that they're correct. If you feel like what Romney says is ignorant, then explain why you take that view (e.g. Talk about why without Obama's such and such policies America would not be as ahead as it currently is or something). Don't just say it's hilarious and then not back it up with why you think it's so wrong, because then it's just hilarious to no-one but yourself. It's pretty obvious he inherited 2 wars and a terrible economy from Bush. Those things surely had an effect on why his term has looked so bad. And, like others have pointed out, a Congress whose #1 goal was to chase the President out of the White House. They have proposed almost nothing of substance, always playing the political games. Umm he had a majority in both houses for the first 2 years. All his budgets get shot down unanimously by both sides. The senate is a weird place where standard rules dont apply. In senate 60 out of 100 is the only majority that matters and he had that for a little less than a year and even then getting uninanimous consent in just your party on anything is near impossible. Pretty much. In our current bastardization of Senate rules and the political climate, just the threat of a filibuster stops legislation from proceeding for some stupid reason. I actually wish they had the balls to call out the Senators who threaten to filibuster to actually DO IT like the old days. If you really want to filibuster, then go on the floor and actually do it.
Senate rules allow for an individual to hold the floor for as long as they want assuming they are still speaking, however members are allowed to yeild the floor to other members of the Senate. So if the entire group of Republicans were to decide to fillibuster, they could just endlessly yield the floor to other members of the Senate so there's really no point in forcing them to sit there and speak.
I've heard a lot of people complain about the filibuster, but it's actually an extremely important rule. It's there to protect against the 'tyrrany of the majority'. The idea being that it can protect against one party getting 51 votes and being able to do whatever the hell they want. It's an important concept, and has served to broker some key compromises over the years; such as with Bush's supreme court nominees.
It's not as easy to use as a lot of people think. The filibustering party uses a lot of political capital by initiating one, and risks potential voter backlash if they aren't careful about how they go about it.
On April 25 2012 18:07 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 13:31 .Wilsh. wrote:On April 25 2012 13:21 aksfjh wrote:On April 25 2012 13:13 tokicheese wrote:On April 25 2012 13:10 Avatar Korra wrote:On April 25 2012 12:53 Oreo7 wrote:On April 25 2012 09:57 xDaunt wrote:
Hah, great line from Romney during his speech: "The past few years are the best that President Obama can do. They are not the best that America can do." It's such an appeal to ignorance it's hilarious. I wish all the people in this thread would provide reasoned arguments for their opinions rather than just make single-sentence statements and then assume that everyone will take their view that they're correct. If you feel like what Romney says is ignorant, then explain why you take that view (e.g. Talk about why without Obama's such and such policies America would not be as ahead as it currently is or something). Don't just say it's hilarious and then not back it up with why you think it's so wrong, because then it's just hilarious to no-one but yourself. It's pretty obvious he inherited 2 wars and a terrible economy from Bush. Those things surely had an effect on why his term has looked so bad. And, like others have pointed out, a Congress whose #1 goal was to chase the President out of the White House. They have proposed almost nothing of substance, always playing the political games. Umm he had a majority in both houses for the first 2 years. All his budgets get shot down unanimously by both sides. The senate is a weird place where standard rules dont apply. In senate 60 out of 100 is the only majority that matters and he had that for a little less than a year and even then getting uninanimous consent in just your party on anything is near impossible.
There is no one specific set for rules of order, each country and governing body can set out whatever set of rules they want. However compared to parlimentary rules set out in Roberts Rule's of Order, then yes the Senate has some big differences.
Requiring a 2/3 majority (known as a "supermajority) is pretty standard however, again to protect against the 'tyrrany of the majority'. The idea being that a party with 51 votes in the Senate shouldn't be able to gain complete control. There was a lot of caution and a hell of a lot of thought that went into the Senate rules when they were laid out.
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On April 25 2012 23:20 Obamanation666 wrote:
It's kinda sad that the worst you can do is attack me for not making use of paragraphs. How about you pay less attention to the way I format a post and more attention to its content. Can we focus on the substance? If you would like to dispute anything I've written, I'd be more than happy to hear your facts and opinions. It's pretty apparent that your criticism stating, no one will read it is quite amusing considering your vague comments on everything I've written. "Truth is the mother of all hatred," Ausonius.
Seriously, do the paragraph thingy, its impossible to pay attention to the content in this way.
Second, Batch is in Sweden and Velr is in Switzerland if their account info is correct, I know I am in the Netherlands, so the whole part about what is going to happen to us, and how little we know about the elections because of the whole media not covering everything kinda does not apply to us.
You want to discuss substance, that is a good thing, especially for such a thread. So: I'm dutch, I don't vote in this election, I will follow it. You clearly support Romney in favor of Obama, you try to make a case based on how Romney would be better for America than Obama. If I'd argue the opposite, does it matter to you?
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On April 25 2012 23:20 Obamanation666 wrote:
It's kinda sad that the worst you can do is attack me for not making use of paragraphs. How about you pay less attention to the way I format a post and more attention to its content. Can we focus on the substance and refrain from personal attacks? The only one who is out of line here is you. If you would like to dispute anything I've written, I'd be more than happy to hear your facts and opinions. "Truth is the mother of all hatred," Ausonius.
I'm predisposed to agreeing with a lot of what's in your post, but you're not doing yourself any favors with your presentation.
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I am a US citizen.
I have not and will not vote for the GOP so long as their party platform condones discrimination.
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On April 25 2012 22:09 Obamanation666 wrote:
I encourage everyone to get the facts before voting. It's sad to see that people watch MSNBC for 5 minutes a day and think they have any clue whats really going on in America. The media is biased, FOX and CNN. You've got to have an alternative source of information. The United States is in more trouble than I think 95% of you realize. America was founded on liberty and freedom. We have become slaves to the federal government. It is becoming more and more common for the average U.S. citizen to care less for what he could do for his country, but instead insists that someone else pay for they're sloth. If you were to confiscate the wealth of every rich citizen in the U.S. (Communism, which is now rearing it's ugly head inside the U.S.), it wouldn't even put a dent in the debt. The government is making promises it cannot keep, and the citizens could care less about the coming generations. America is going the way socialism and headed for bankruptcy. We are under a soft tyranny. I encourage everyone to pick up a copy of Liberty and Tyranny or Ameritopia. These books will change your life and help you to understand how close we all are to losing everything. The government now controls more than 65% of our economy. We are now 15 trillion dollars and debt and climbing quickly. If America doesn't reverse course this election cycle, you are going to see an economic meltdown unlike anything ever witnessed since the beginning of civilization. It's not a matter of republican vs democrat anymore; although, it's clear that democrats have been far more destructive via implementation of massive government programs and spending. It's about the citizens vs. the government. How anyone could think Obama has been a good president is shocking. He had the senate and house. He passed everything he wanted. As a result, we are now so far in debt that we may never see our way out, and for what? What has he given us that has made us any better off? The real answer to that is nothing. The sad part about the whole matter is that the damage he has done won't truly be seen until years after he's left office. He keeps making empty promises and we keep falling for it every time hook line and sinker. Be honest with yourself, how many promises has Obama broken. I think even the more liberal individual would have to admit, damn near every single one of his promises has been broken. As a result, the greatest nation on the planet will fall from within. You and your children will never experience the true "American Dream," it has been killed by greedy politicians who piss on your leg and tell you it's raining. For every program they create, that money is coming from somewhere and not just the rich. You are being taxed enormously and don't know any better. This is all you've ever known. For example, in the 70's you could buy a car for a 100 dollars. If you made a 100 dollars a week, you had a place to live, food to eat, and the ability to buy a car. Can you honestly say that you can make it today on a 9 to 5. I'm willing to bet 90% of you are struggling or live with your parents. It's not supposed to be like this. We need to take another direction and fast. Honestly, I think Romney isn't willing to make the hard choices, but instead will manage the decay. We don't need someone who can run the machine efficiently; we need someone who can dismantle it, because it's nothing but corrupt. Romney however, is a far better choice than Obama. This election will determine the fate of America. I hope you truly understand the implications of this. What made America great? Individual choice, freedom from the government, and capitalism. What is Obama? A marxist and a socialist, which have been proven to fail. Look at Greece, that's where America is headed, but who is going to bail us out? NO ONE. No one possibly could, we are the financial cornerstone of the planet. Wake up people!
I'm not even going to try giving this wall of text a long response. Frankly, anyone who thinks America is comparable to Greece or throws the word Marxist around when describing Obama doesn't deserve one. It's a complete insult to anyone who ever lived in an actual Marxist state.
But as far as promises kept/broken: Obamameter. Looking at his broken promises, I'd say a lot of those were just realistic consequences of not having congress majority post 2010. I will admit he could have done more in his first two years though.
With regards to your 70's example of working 9-5 and being able to live comfortably, I didn't realize this was possible four years ago.
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On April 26 2012 00:21 Mazer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 22:09 Obamanation666 wrote:
I encourage everyone to get the facts before voting. It's sad to see that people watch MSNBC for 5 minutes a day and think they have any clue whats really going on in America. The media is biased, FOX and CNN. You've got to have an alternative source of information. The United States is in more trouble than I think 95% of you realize. America was founded on liberty and freedom. We have become slaves to the federal government. It is becoming more and more common for the average U.S. citizen to care less for what he could do for his country, but instead insists that someone else pay for they're sloth. If you were to confiscate the wealth of every rich citizen in the U.S. (Communism, which is now rearing it's ugly head inside the U.S.), it wouldn't even put a dent in the debt. The government is making promises it cannot keep, and the citizens could care less about the coming generations. America is going the way socialism and headed for bankruptcy. We are under a soft tyranny. I encourage everyone to pick up a copy of Liberty and Tyranny or Ameritopia. These books will change your life and help you to understand how close we all are to losing everything. The government now controls more than 65% of our economy. We are now 15 trillion dollars and debt and climbing quickly. If America doesn't reverse course this election cycle, you are going to see an economic meltdown unlike anything ever witnessed since the beginning of civilization. It's not a matter of republican vs democrat anymore; although, it's clear that democrats have been far more destructive via implementation of massive government programs and spending. It's about the citizens vs. the government. How anyone could think Obama has been a good president is shocking. He had the senate and house. He passed everything he wanted. As a result, we are now so far in debt that we may never see our way out, and for what? What has he given us that has made us any better off? The real answer to that is nothing. The sad part about the whole matter is that the damage he has done won't truly be seen until years after he's left office. He keeps making empty promises and we keep falling for it every time hook line and sinker. Be honest with yourself, how many promises has Obama broken. I think even the more liberal individual would have to admit, damn near every single one of his promises has been broken. As a result, the greatest nation on the planet will fall from within. You and your children will never experience the true "American Dream," it has been killed by greedy politicians who piss on your leg and tell you it's raining. For every program they create, that money is coming from somewhere and not just the rich. You are being taxed enormously and don't know any better. This is all you've ever known. For example, in the 70's you could buy a car for a 100 dollars. If you made a 100 dollars a week, you had a place to live, food to eat, and the ability to buy a car. Can you honestly say that you can make it today on a 9 to 5. I'm willing to bet 90% of you are struggling or live with your parents. It's not supposed to be like this. We need to take another direction and fast. Honestly, I think Romney isn't willing to make the hard choices, but instead will manage the decay. We don't need someone who can run the machine efficiently; we need someone who can dismantle it, because it's nothing but corrupt. Romney however, is a far better choice than Obama. This election will determine the fate of America. I hope you truly understand the implications of this. What made America great? Individual choice, freedom from the government, and capitalism. What is Obama? A marxist and a socialist, which have been proven to fail. Look at Greece, that's where America is headed, but who is going to bail us out? NO ONE. No one possibly could, we are the financial cornerstone of the planet. Wake up people! I'm not even going to try giving this wall of text a long response. Frankly, anyone who thinks America is comparable to Greece or throws the word Marxist around when describing Obama doesn't deserve one. It's a complete insult to anyone who ever lived in an actual Marxist state. But as far as promises kept/broken: Obamameter. Looking at his broken promises, I'd say a lot of those were just realistic consequences of not having congress majority post 2010. I will admit he could have done more in his first two years though. With regards to your 70's example of working 9-5 and being able to live comfortably, I didn't realize this was possible four years ago.
It's actually really sad how little Obama accomplished during his first two years when he had huge democrat majorities in the house and senate. How hard would it really have been to throw a few bones to co-opt some republicans? Instead, he was pushing legislation like Obamacare that he had trouble getting all of the democrats to line up behind. Such a waste of an opportunity for the liberal agenda.
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On April 25 2012 22:18 Batch wrote:
Obamanation666, few people will read what you write unless you do some paragraph division.
I was thinking more on the lines of: "the username is 'obamanation666'"
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On April 19 2012 17:51 BlackJack wrote:
fyi - in the US he goes by "Mitt Romney"
Mitt polls better than "Willard", although the latter is much more humorous.
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On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world.
omg made my day 
sooo true though
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On April 19 2012 18:18 Mentalizor wrote:
Scumbag europeans will ruin this poll (^_^) Really to us (at least in Denmark) Obama is somewhat a right-wing politician and Romney is just off the charts right winged. I think if a vote between these two happened in Scandinavia Obama would have 80%+ of the votes.
That's what I keep telling people here. Our Democrats are like European conservatives. It's not that people in the US are stupid, it is just that many are ill-informed politically. But that's just my opinion.
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