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On September 06 2012 12:44 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 12:08 stevarius wrote:On September 06 2012 12:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
He is a Jedi Master that is the only explanation. Between Clinton and the First Lady, holy fuck these speeches man. GG election over. Yeah America, 8% unemployment, trillions dollar deficits, and the government running your health care is a fine trade to be able to listen to some people speak well about things that just aren't true.
Which things aren't true? Please, elaborate.
With actual sources rather than condescension, links to figures that disagree with you, and wikipedia articles you haven't read, if you don't mind.
Color me skeptical, but I honestly don't even think you're capable of doing that, by this point. I disagree with xDaunt, and have issues with how he actually engages/disengages in conversations at times, but at least he's coherent. He's the resident right-winger, but I'm pretty sure you're the resident nutjob. (On any side.)
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On September 06 2012 12:35 JinDesu wrote:
I have insurance, and it still wasn't terribly fun waiting about 2 hours for someone to relocate my shoulder.
Hours is better than months.
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On September 06 2012 12:44 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 12:08 stevarius wrote:On September 06 2012 12:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
He is a Jedi Master that is the only explanation. Between Clinton and the First Lady, holy fuck these speeches man. GG election over. Yeah America, 8% unemployment, trillions dollar deficits, and the government running your health care is a fine trade to be able to listen to some people speak well about things that just aren't true.
because we really want to go back to the policies of bush ;\
The government isnt running our health care and its ran by greedy sob's in the insurance companies/medical field anyway.
get over it.
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This is the part where dvorakftw says the onus is on Bill Clinton to disprove his perception of reality.
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On September 06 2012 12:48 MinusPlus wrote:
Color me skeptical, but I honestly don't even think you're capable of doing that, by this point. I disagree with xDaunt, and have issues with how he actually engages/disengages in conversations at times, but at least he's coherent. He's the resident right-winger, but I'm pretty sure you're the resident nutjob. (On any side.)
I think last time I proved something on this board it was with a graph showing how government spending went from less than 10% of GDP to almost half and I was told it didn't have any relevance to bigger government so why bother?
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On September 06 2012 12:48 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 12:35 JinDesu wrote:
I have insurance, and it still wasn't terribly fun waiting about 2 hours for someone to relocate my shoulder. Hours is better than months.
I was sitting in an emergency room.
For two hours.
On a bed.
With my shoulder out of it's socket.
Sure, I don't have a surgery to schedule and find out if it'll take me months or not - oh wait, there are plenty of stories like that in the american system.
Although you know what? I'm glad I had insurance. Because that shoulder dislocation cost 11 grand. All for an accidental fall. After insurance, it cost me 1 grand. Without insurance, I'd have been bankrupt by that (I just started working at the time). So I personally have no issues with universal health insurance.
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So kraut -hammer on fox after seeing clinton:
something to the effect of:
"I dont know why he went through and rebutled all the RNC's points, he could have taken this opportunity to really fire up the base."
Almost made me sick. A fucking "news" organization for a politician actually debateing points rather than spitting out menaingless waffle? Clinton pushed me to Obama tonight.
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lol @ the troll on fox news saying they moved the convention inside because they were affraid of empty seats. "They knew the weather months ago" LOL
Check out the weather
![[image loading]](http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7538/weatherlol.jpg)
Omfg I can't believe Fox news actually let that guy on the air
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On September 06 2012 12:52 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 12:48 dvorakftw wrote:On September 06 2012 12:35 JinDesu wrote:
I have insurance, and it still wasn't terribly fun waiting about 2 hours for someone to relocate my shoulder. Hours is better than months. I was sitting in an emergency room. For two hours. On a bed. With my shoulder out of it's socket. Sure, I don't have a surgery to schedule and find out if it'll take me months or not - oh wait, there are plenty of stories like that in the american system. Although you know what? I'm glad I had insurance. Because that shoulder dislocation cost 11 grand. All for an accidental fall. After insurance, it cost me 1 grand. Without insurance, I'd have been bankrupt by that (I just started working at the time). So I personally have no issues with universal health insurance.
Wait times in Canada depend on the type of treatment you're getting and how serious it is.
It's pretty easy to fix a dislocated shoulder. If you went to Emergency in Canada, you'd probably wait about the same amount of time. And you would pay zero dollars, with or without insurance.
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Clinton's speech was great. "Arithmetic" was a great line that has been echoing what's been said in this thread many times over.
Republicans go on basic ideology of cutting taxes and government revenue, but make no mention of how they're going to keep that from making further debt -- it just doesn't ever add up. They've done it so many times before in recent administrations, and any timeline of the debt pretty much shows it. Republican "tax cuts" are de facto national loans, given to the wealthiest and paid for by everyone.
Michelle's speech was still the best, in my opinion. More timely, more personal, although obviously with less policy-substance. Both speeches, Michelle and Bill, were better than any from the GOP convention. I think the DNC has made the RNC look trite these past two weeks. Everyone is just going to remember "We built that" slogans and Clint Eastwood making imaginary conversation.
But I do think the best speech will be tomorrow. Do people still foolishly doubt Barack Obama's ability to give a good speech. Barack Obama's speech at the 2004 DNC is the reason he is president today. He'll deliver a great speech, and you can tell the audience there is more than primed to see him.
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On September 06 2012 12:48 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 12:35 JinDesu wrote:
I have insurance, and it still wasn't terribly fun waiting about 2 hours for someone to relocate my shoulder. Hours is better than months.
politicians distorting truth to make a point?
come on, not everyone waits 3 months for a brain tumour
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On September 06 2012 12:51 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 12:48 MinusPlus wrote:
Color me skeptical, but I honestly don't even think you're capable of doing that, by this point. I disagree with xDaunt, and have issues with how he actually engages/disengages in conversations at times, but at least he's coherent. He's the resident right-winger, but I'm pretty sure you're the resident nutjob. (On any side.) I think last time I proved something on this board it was with a graph showing how government spending went from less than 10% of GDP to almost half and I was told it didn't have any relevance to bigger government so why bother?
I'm sorry, but the last time you "proved" anything to anyone ended in "User was temp banned for this post."
Off-hand, I'll just assume that, as per the norm, what you posted then did not have any relevance to the discussion; you just found a picture that supported some completely different point and posted it saying "Look! LOOK! Look at this picture! You libs are IDIOTS!"
Yeah, no thanks.
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On September 06 2012 12:56 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 12:52 JinDesu wrote:On September 06 2012 12:48 dvorakftw wrote:On September 06 2012 12:35 JinDesu wrote:
I have insurance, and it still wasn't terribly fun waiting about 2 hours for someone to relocate my shoulder. Hours is better than months. I was sitting in an emergency room. For two hours. On a bed. With my shoulder out of it's socket. Sure, I don't have a surgery to schedule and find out if it'll take me months or not - oh wait, there are plenty of stories like that in the american system. Although you know what? I'm glad I had insurance. Because that shoulder dislocation cost 11 grand. All for an accidental fall. After insurance, it cost me 1 grand. Without insurance, I'd have been bankrupt by that (I just started working at the time). So I personally have no issues with universal health insurance. Wait times in Canada depend on the type of treatment you're getting and how serious it is. It's pretty easy to fix a dislocated shoulder. If you went to Emergency in Canada, you'd probably wait about the same amount of time. And you would pay zero dollars, with or without insurance.
Well the humorous part was that after 2 hours, the pain was so unbearable that they needed to sedate me. And then the relocation process took about 10 minutes (which I don't even remember, after being sedated).
Relocation cost - $1000
Ambulance cost - $100
Sedation cost - ~$8900
I was so terrified after seeing the bill, because I wasn't completely clear on what my insurance would cover (again, I just started working, and I was fresh out of college). Imagine my happiness in finding out they covered everything minus the $1000 deductible.
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On September 06 2012 12:58 JinDesu wrote:
Sedation cost - ~$8900
deductible.
In retrospect, couldnt you have just toughed it out for 9g's? =P
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On September 06 2012 12:58 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 12:56 Defacer wrote:On September 06 2012 12:52 JinDesu wrote:On September 06 2012 12:48 dvorakftw wrote:On September 06 2012 12:35 JinDesu wrote:
I have insurance, and it still wasn't terribly fun waiting about 2 hours for someone to relocate my shoulder. Hours is better than months. I was sitting in an emergency room. For two hours. On a bed. With my shoulder out of it's socket. Sure, I don't have a surgery to schedule and find out if it'll take me months or not - oh wait, there are plenty of stories like that in the american system. Although you know what? I'm glad I had insurance. Because that shoulder dislocation cost 11 grand. All for an accidental fall. After insurance, it cost me 1 grand. Without insurance, I'd have been bankrupt by that (I just started working at the time). So I personally have no issues with universal health insurance. Wait times in Canada depend on the type of treatment you're getting and how serious it is. It's pretty easy to fix a dislocated shoulder. If you went to Emergency in Canada, you'd probably wait about the same amount of time. And you would pay zero dollars, with or without insurance. Well the humorous part was that after 2 hours, the pain was so unbearable that they needed to sedate me. And then the relocation process took about 10 minutes (which I don't even remember, after being sedated). Relocation cost - $1000 Ambulance cost - $100 Sedation cost - ~$8900 I was so terrified after seeing the bill, because I wasn't completely clear on what my insurance would cover (again, I just started working, and I was fresh out of college). Imagine my happiness in finding out they covered everything minus the $1000 deductible.
You are lucky you only had a $100 ambulance cost. How far was the trip? I have seen/heard of up to $900 for my grandfather.
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On September 06 2012 12:56 Sadist wrote:lol @ the troll on fox news saying they moved the convention inside because they were affraid of empty seats. "They knew the weather months ago" LOL Check out the weather Omfg I can't believe Fox news actually let that guy on the air
I am more surprised that they didn't claim it was a divine sign from God.
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On September 06 2012 12:57 Leporello wrote:
Clinton's speech was great. "Arithmetic" was a great line that has been echoing what's been said in this thread many times over.
Republicans go on basic ideology of cutting taxes and government revenue, but make no mention of how they're going to keep that from making further debt -- it just doesn't ever add up. They've done it so many times before in recent administrations, and any timeline of the debt pretty much shows it. Republican "tax cuts" are de facto national loans, given to the wealthiest and paid for by everyone.
Michelle's speech was still the best, in my opinion. More timely, more personal, although obviously with less policy-substance. Both speeches, Michelle and Bill, were better than any from the GOP convention. I think the DNC has made the RNC look trite these past two weeks. Everyone is just going to remember "We built that" slogans and Clint Eastwood making imaginary conversation.
But I do think the best speech will be tomorrow. Do people still foolishly doubt Barack Obama's ability to give a good speech. Barack Obama's speech at the 2004 DNC is the reason he is president today. He'll deliver a great speech, and you can tell the audience there is more than primed to see him.
The challenge is for Obama to say something NEW. Bill Clinton did a excellent jump speaking directly to swing voters, and explaining why THEY are wrong and why Obama is right.
It will be interesting to see if Obama will be able to appeal to or inspire anyone outside his already committed base.
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Megyn Kelly is complaining about Clinton going into details of Medicare, and Medicaid...
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On September 06 2012 13:00 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 12:58 JinDesu wrote:On September 06 2012 12:56 Defacer wrote:On September 06 2012 12:52 JinDesu wrote:On September 06 2012 12:48 dvorakftw wrote:On September 06 2012 12:35 JinDesu wrote:
I have insurance, and it still wasn't terribly fun waiting about 2 hours for someone to relocate my shoulder. Hours is better than months. I was sitting in an emergency room. For two hours. On a bed. With my shoulder out of it's socket. Sure, I don't have a surgery to schedule and find out if it'll take me months or not - oh wait, there are plenty of stories like that in the american system. Although you know what? I'm glad I had insurance. Because that shoulder dislocation cost 11 grand. All for an accidental fall. After insurance, it cost me 1 grand. Without insurance, I'd have been bankrupt by that (I just started working at the time). So I personally have no issues with universal health insurance. Wait times in Canada depend on the type of treatment you're getting and how serious it is. It's pretty easy to fix a dislocated shoulder. If you went to Emergency in Canada, you'd probably wait about the same amount of time. And you would pay zero dollars, with or without insurance. Well the humorous part was that after 2 hours, the pain was so unbearable that they needed to sedate me. And then the relocation process took about 10 minutes (which I don't even remember, after being sedated). Relocation cost - $1000 Ambulance cost - $100 Sedation cost - ~$8900 I was so terrified after seeing the bill, because I wasn't completely clear on what my insurance would cover (again, I just started working, and I was fresh out of college). Imagine my happiness in finding out they covered everything minus the $1000 deductible. You are lucky you only had a $100 ambulance cost. How far was the trip? I have seen/heard of up to $900 for my grandfather.
I didn't know - it was a hellish ride too! Even with my arm strapped tight against my body, they were rolling on some rough roads and I couldn't wait for it to be over. I just remember it was maybe a 30 minute ride, although that's a bad judge since I was in pain. I know now that my insurance actually covers the ambulance fee, so that's lucky for me.
On September 06 2012 13:00 Dagan159 wrote:In retrospect, couldnt you have just toughed it out for 9g's? =P
Yeah, if I knew it was 9g's, I would have probably toughed it out... but my pain was so bad that the morphine they injected did nothing. They resorted to one final sedative/pain killer that literally removed all feeling in my body, as well as put me in lalaland.
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now fox news going in on the God vote for the democrats.
So typical lol.
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