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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
Michelle's speech was REALLY good. It was light on substance but it really fired up the base. It wasn't just 'politician' good, it was fucking Braveheart good. But wow. Bill Clinton just killed. It was substantive. He made policy important and compelling. And it made Obama look really smart and the RNC's talking points look really shallow. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:29 ey215 wrote: There's no one like him. He's always played it fast and loose with the facts and has never given a short speech in his life, but damn if he can't pull it off. He peddles bullshit better than anyone else. Thankfully, Clinton is likely to disappear again after tonight and not resurface for the rest of the campaign. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:25 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Now tomorrow night Obama has to go up against THAT speech. To be perfectly honest, the speech wasn't a great "speech" as much as it was a roast. He said what needed to be said, pushed what needed to be pushed, but it wasn't anything you would put at the climax of a movie. It's not a speech you would rally behind. Tomorrow, that's what Obama has to do and should be able to do. If he does pull that off, the DNC will have pitched a perfect game in my book. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On September 06 2012 11:11 Stratos_speAr wrote: Anyone who think that healthcare in the States is special for anyone except the super-wealthy is delusional. We get long waits, rushed and impersonal care, and ridiculous bills routinely. My step-mother shakes her head and hopes you learn the truth one day. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:31 xDaunt wrote: He peddles bullshit better than anyone else. Thankfully, Clinton is likely to disappear again after tonight and not resurface for the rest of the campaign. Of course xDaunt of course. Clinton bad, Obama bad. Smash. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:34 dvorakftw wrote: My step-mother shakes her head and hopes you learn the truth one day. Are you saying we don't get long waits, rushed and impersonal care, and ridiculous bills routinely? I have insurance, and it still wasn't terribly fun waiting about 2 hours for someone to relocate my shoulder. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:34 aksfjh wrote: To be perfectly honest, the speech wasn't a great "speech" as much as it was a roast. He said what needed to be said, pushed what needed to be pushed, but it wasn't anything you would put at the climax of a movie. It's not a speech you would rally behind. Tomorrow, that's what Obama has to do and should be able to do. If he does pull that off, the DNC will have pitched a perfect game in my book. Bill went about ten minutes too long, but he still defended Obama's record better than Obama ever has. | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:31 xDaunt wrote: He peddles bullshit better than anyone else. Thankfully, Clinton is likely to disappear again after tonight and not resurface for the rest of the campaign. You really don't think they'll use him? I know that he's prone to actually speaking the truth (as opposed to talking points) every once in a while but he could be useful as a surrogate. I wouldn't ever put him on the same stage as the President (Clinton is notorious for making every event about him) but trot him out in the swing states to do media and speaking engagements? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Sadist
United States7166 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:36 Defacer wrote: Bill went about ten minutes too long, but he still defended Obama's record better than Obama ever has. Ya, it feels like hes just having a conversation with you. I don't know why everyone is so afraid to just come out and talk about things. Obama needs to be defending himself like this. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Of course xDaunt of course. Clinton bad, Obama bad. Smash. Someone should force xDaunt to watch Ryan's RNC speech and Clinton's speech back to back. It's fucking embarassing how good Clinton's speech was. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:37 Sadist wrote: Ya, it feels like hes just having a conversation with you. I don't know why everyone is so afraid to just come out and talk about things. Obama needs to be defending himself like this. The Republicans can't attack Clinton though, that's why. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:36 ey215 wrote: You really don't think they'll use him? I know that he's prone to actually speaking the truth (as opposed to talking points) every once in a while but he could be useful as a surrogate. I wouldn't ever put him on the same stage as the President (Clinton is notorious for making every event about him) but trot him out in the swing states to do media and speaking engagements? Clinton doesn't like Obama. He did this speech because he had to do it as a team player. We won't see much of him after this. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:37 Sadist wrote: Ya, it feels like hes just having a conversation with you. I don't know why everyone is so afraid to just come out and talk about things. Obama needs to be defending himself like this. My thinking is that most convention speakers get caught up in the moment, and play to the crowd. Bill was speaking to the cameras. When he kept saying, "This is important," what he is really saying is "Stop fucking cheering because I need people at home to pay attention." | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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Minus`
United States174 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:31 xDaunt wrote: He peddles bullshit better than anyone else. Thankfully, Clinton is likely to disappear again after tonight and not resurface for the rest of the campaign. It's interesting that the Republicans accuse the Dems of peddling bullshit, considering how their convention's speeches went. More seriously, though, I don't understand how you can honestly go with the argument that because Clinton's speech was good that's going to be detrimental to Obama's speech at all. Obama needs to give a decent speech. That's it. If it's mediocre, critics will compare to that speech. And then they've got to deal with, in doing that, bringing questions of actual policy to the forefront. Talking points like that the GOP's been in love with like, "How are we going to pay for this?" when their own party is planning to increase the deficit might actually be addressed, for instance. Beyond voodoo and "I'm not Obama so vote for me", I mean. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:38 xDaunt wrote: Clinton doesn't like Obama. He did this speech because he had to do it as a team player. We won't see much of him after this. Clinton resents Obama after the brutal campaign he ran against Hilary. But I think Clinton will continue to back Obama because a) Obama has been good to his wife. b) Clinton is an egomaniac that loves attention and power c) It sets up his wife nicely in 2016, when she will be the de-facto leader of the party. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:08 stevarius wrote: Between Clinton and the First Lady, holy fuck these speeches man. GG election over. Yeah America, 8% unemployment, trillions dollar deficits, and the government running your health care is a fine trade to be able to listen to some people speak well about things that just aren't true. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
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