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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 03:39:58
November 07 2012 03:37 GMT
#25901
there's about 40k obama votes(in pure differential) in palm beach uncounted. about 35k-40k in santa rosa. around the same level in broward and miami dade for obama uncounted.

there's also 30k for romney in lee county

so florida probably going to obama with about 50k-100k.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
November 07 2012 03:37 GMT
#25902
On November 07 2012 12:34 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 12:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:30 Chocolate wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:29 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:22 forgottendreams wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:18 tedster wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:16 dAPhREAk wrote:
[quote]
interesting. i thought democrats touted themselves as the more educated ones.


tons of "not a high school graduate" are immigrants

curious how it breaks down between bachelors, masters, phd. im not surprised that more non-high school grads vote democrat.


IIRC its a sliding scale, the higher the degree the more democrat.


I'm pretty sure there's a pretty strong positive correlation between intelligence and being liberal. Googling "correlation between intelligence and liberal" gave me some interesting stuff.

yes, this is what i hear from liberals.

Arguing against scientific studies is also something I hear from conservatives.

Then post the scientific studies, dammit.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/09/03/conservatives-and-liberals-have-different-brains-studies-show/

A more interesting study would be how willing people are to believe something if that something strokes their ego.


Tolerating uncertainty is not necessarily good, being afraid not necessarily bad. I don't understand what this is supposed to prove.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
November 07 2012 03:37 GMT
#25903
On November 07 2012 12:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 12:33 jdseemoreglass wrote:
"If X, then it's over."
"If Y, then it's over."
"If Z or W, then it's over."

Newsflash: it was over weeks ago. Maybe even months.


It's nice to think this once you're validated, but it's just not true. You can seriously never confirm anything with polling when margins are this close, because a lot of people don't get polled.


If I recall, even the people running all the tests on how likely Obama was going to win said it would still be a close race.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18864 Posts
November 07 2012 03:37 GMT
#25904
On November 07 2012 12:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 12:33 farvacola wrote:
Preemptive? Perhaps. But it feels so good.

+ Show Spoiler +

We made fun of that song all the time in high school.

And I was made fun of for having this song on a mix CD
+ Show Spoiler +

Haha, Dashboard fo lyfe. I love me some whiny emo white kid soft rock.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
November 07 2012 03:38 GMT
#25905
On November 07 2012 12:35 Rassy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 12:32 ziggurat wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:27 forgottendreams wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:22 forgottendreams wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:18 tedster wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:16 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:13 oneofthem wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:11 wunsun wrote:
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I guess stereotypes are true...? Basically lines up with general preconceptions on voting.

for somewhat of a comparison here's 08

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/exit-polls.html

interesting. i thought democrats touted themselves as the more educated ones.


tons of "not a high school graduate" are immigrants

curious how it breaks down between bachelors, masters, phd. im not surprised that more non-high school grads vote democrat.


IIRC its a sliding scale, the higher the degree the more democrat.


I'm pretty sure there's a pretty strong positive correlation between intelligence and being liberal. Googling "correlation between intelligence and liberal" gave me some interesting stuff.


Ya, we discussed this months ago but the democratic brain is inherently different from the republican brain. Republicans have more brain matter in the area that controls emotion and fear while libs have more brain matter in areas that control problem solving and decision making.


Please tell me this is a troll!



Off course it is lol.


http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(11)00289-2

I have the full journal in my JSTOR but I'm sure it can be fully accessed somewhere else.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 07 2012 03:38 GMT
#25906
For all the economy talk that people bring up with Romney, Romney never showed any substantive when it comes to the economy in any of his plans. Really meaningless talking point.
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
November 07 2012 03:38 GMT
#25907
On November 07 2012 12:37 HULKAMANIA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 12:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:30 Chocolate wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:29 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:22 forgottendreams wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:18 tedster wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:16 dAPhREAk wrote:
[quote]
interesting. i thought democrats touted themselves as the more educated ones.


tons of "not a high school graduate" are immigrants

curious how it breaks down between bachelors, masters, phd. im not surprised that more non-high school grads vote democrat.


IIRC its a sliding scale, the higher the degree the more democrat.


I'm pretty sure there's a pretty strong positive correlation between intelligence and being liberal. Googling "correlation between intelligence and liberal" gave me some interesting stuff.

yes, this is what i hear from liberals.

Arguing against scientific studies is also something I hear from conservatives.

Then post the scientific studies, dammit.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/09/03/conservatives-and-liberals-have-different-brains-studies-show/

Are you under the impression that you've posted a scientific study?

The article includes a link to the studies: http://2012election.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004818
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
November 07 2012 03:39 GMT
#25908
Santa Rosa is 59% reporting. Miami still 30% to go. 20K lead for Obama (just under .5% unless I'm mistaken). Looks like he might win it outside the calling margin.
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
November 07 2012 03:39 GMT
#25909
On a side note, in case you didn't proof that gerrymandering is terrible Jessie Jackson Jr. has won reelection.

Jesse Jackson Jr. won re-election to Illinois' 2nd Congressional district by a landslide Tuesday night, beating his two opponents, Marcus Lewis and Brian Woodwoorth.

As of 8:50 p.m., Jackson had captured 68 percent of the vote with 62 percent of precincts reporting.

"My deep and sincere thanks to the people of the 2nd Congressional District, I am humbled and moved by the support shown today," Jackson said in a written statement. "Everyday, I think about your needs and concerns. Once the Doctors approve my return to work, I will continue to be the progressive fighter you have known for years. My family and I are grateful for your many heartfelt prayers and kind thoughts. I continue to feel better everyday and look forward to serving you."

Jackson is not celebrating his victory in a swanky Chicago hotel room, or back stage at McCormick place with President Barack Obama watching the returns come in on the national race. He's reportedly spending the night at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota.

For many Chicagoans, Jackson Jr's victory will evoke the memory of another absent Chicago politician, John Stroger, the former Cook County Board President who was able to engineer an election win despite remaining disappearing from public
view for months following a severe stroke. His future may evoke another.

Stroger won his primary battle without a problem, or an appearance. Months later used a bit of trickery to resign, then get his son Todd on the ticket before the general election, and the Chicago machine swept him into office. Stroger, the junior, won.

John Stroger never recovered from the stroke. He dipped in and out of the hospital over the next year and a half, suffering from seizures and other maladies that besiege 79-year-old men. Then he died, and his son trampled his legacy in his stead.
Jackson Jr. likewise suddenly disappeared from the public before the primary, in early June when he left for a treatment center in Arizona. He later moved on to Mayo where he was diagnosed with bipolar depression and gastrointestinal issues.
Between June and November, nary a constituent saw their Congressman -- not working, not campaigning, not fundraising -- because he avoided press and voter alike. Jackson, the junior, won.
If federal authorities make good on any number of not-so-veiled threats against Jackson Jr., he could suffer a much worse
fate Stroger.

In October, Federal prosecutors and FBI agents in Washington launched a criminal investigation of Jackson, Jr. involving financial improprieties, including possible misuse of funds monitored by Congress to decorate his Washington D.C. Home.
At the same time, a House Ethics Committee continues to look into Jackson's supposed involvement in trying to be appointed to now-President Barack Obama's seat in the U.S. Senate. Jackson has admitted he wanted to be appointed to the Senate, but has repeatedly denied allegations he sent emissaries to offer campaign cash to then-Gov. Rod Blagojevich in exchange for the seat.

The emissary that he denies sending to negotiate with Blagojevich, Raghuveer Nayak, was arrested on 17 counts of fraud in June around the same time Jackson vanished from office.
Nayak testified in the Blagojevich trial that he was authorized by Jackson Jr. to offer the governor as much as $6 million for that Senate seat.

Jackson Jr. may be sitting in a defendant's seat before too long.

In that regard, Jackson Jr. evokes any number of Chicago politicians.

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/spotlight/Jesse-Jackson-Jr-Wins-Reelection--175717941.html#ixzz2BVLDF01y
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
November 07 2012 03:39 GMT
#25910
On November 07 2012 12:38 koreasilver wrote:
For all the economy talk that people bring up with Romney, Romney never showed any substantive when it comes to the economy in any of his plans. Really meaningless talking point.


He did show a 59 point plan.

59 vague and possibly contradictory points.

But still.
Yargh
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
November 07 2012 03:39 GMT
#25911
If you're not an expert in economics, please refrain from talking about economics. There is nothing more annoying than reading posts that are completely off base and based on a "hunch" or something you heard once from this guy who read it in the news one time a few months ago. Seriously, the greatest economists in the world disagree on how the economy functions, stop acting like you have it all figured out.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
November 07 2012 03:39 GMT
#25912
On November 07 2012 12:37 Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 12:34 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:30 Chocolate wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:29 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:22 forgottendreams wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:18 tedster wrote:
[quote]

tons of "not a high school graduate" are immigrants

curious how it breaks down between bachelors, masters, phd. im not surprised that more non-high school grads vote democrat.


IIRC its a sliding scale, the higher the degree the more democrat.


I'm pretty sure there's a pretty strong positive correlation between intelligence and being liberal. Googling "correlation between intelligence and liberal" gave me some interesting stuff.

yes, this is what i hear from liberals.

Arguing against scientific studies is also something I hear from conservatives.

Then post the scientific studies, dammit.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/09/03/conservatives-and-liberals-have-different-brains-studies-show/

A more interesting study would be how willing people are to believe something if that something strokes their ego.


Tolerating uncertainty is not necessarily good, being afraid not necessarily bad. I don't understand what this is supposed to prove.

With regard to the flawed perception of a "reason vs. emotion" dichotomy, people espouse a clear preference.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 07 2012 03:39 GMT
#25913
On November 07 2012 12:37 HULKAMANIA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 12:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:30 Chocolate wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:29 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:22 forgottendreams wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:18 tedster wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:16 dAPhREAk wrote:
[quote]
interesting. i thought democrats touted themselves as the more educated ones.


tons of "not a high school graduate" are immigrants

curious how it breaks down between bachelors, masters, phd. im not surprised that more non-high school grads vote democrat.


IIRC its a sliding scale, the higher the degree the more democrat.


I'm pretty sure there's a pretty strong positive correlation between intelligence and being liberal. Googling "correlation between intelligence and liberal" gave me some interesting stuff.

yes, this is what i hear from liberals.

Arguing against scientific studies is also something I hear from conservatives.

Then post the scientific studies, dammit.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/09/03/conservatives-and-liberals-have-different-brains-studies-show/

Are you under the impression that you've posted a scientific study?

You mean peer reviewed studies don't count?
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
November 07 2012 03:40 GMT
#25914
On November 07 2012 12:38 koreasilver wrote:
For all the economy talk that people bring up with Romney, Romney never showed any substantive when it comes to the economy in any of his plans. Really meaningless talking point.

He didn't even have a plan.

He didn't specify any spending cuts. He claims he'll close $5T of loopholes, and he hasn't named a single loophole he would close.
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
November 07 2012 03:40 GMT
#25915
On November 07 2012 12:35 HardlyNever wrote:
I'm guessing Romney wishes he had a brother that was governor of Florida or even Ohio right now.

On side note, I'm sort of getting tired of having every presidential election wait on 2-3 states that take forever to count their gd votes. I'll also be sad panda if Obama doesn't pull off a (marginal) popular vote victory. Hoping the massive population of Cali will grab it for him.


Taking forever to count their votes? People in Florida and Virginia are still CASTING their votes.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
November 07 2012 03:40 GMT
#25916
On November 07 2012 12:39 Tewks44 wrote:
If you're not an expert in economics, please refrain from talking about economics. There is nothing more annoying than reading posts that are completely off base and based on a "hunch" or something you heard once from this guy who read it in the news one time a few months ago. Seriously, the greatest economists in the world disagree on how the economy functions, stop acting like you have it all figured out.


I did though!
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
November 07 2012 03:41 GMT
#25917
On November 07 2012 12:37 HULKAMANIA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 12:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:30 Chocolate wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:29 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:22 forgottendreams wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:18 tedster wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:16 dAPhREAk wrote:
[quote]
interesting. i thought democrats touted themselves as the more educated ones.


tons of "not a high school graduate" are immigrants

curious how it breaks down between bachelors, masters, phd. im not surprised that more non-high school grads vote democrat.


IIRC its a sliding scale, the higher the degree the more democrat.


I'm pretty sure there's a pretty strong positive correlation between intelligence and being liberal. Googling "correlation between intelligence and liberal" gave me some interesting stuff.

yes, this is what i hear from liberals.

Arguing against scientific studies is also something I hear from conservatives.

Then post the scientific studies, dammit.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/09/03/conservatives-and-liberals-have-different-brains-studies-show/

Are you under the impression that you've posted a scientific study?

*whispers* maybe he's really a conservative after all
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 07 2012 03:41 GMT
#25918
On November 07 2012 12:40 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 12:38 koreasilver wrote:
For all the economy talk that people bring up with Romney, Romney never showed any substantive when it comes to the economy in any of his plans. Really meaningless talking point.

He didn't even have a plan.

He didn't specify any spending cuts. He claims he'll close $5T of loopholes, and he hasn't named a single loophole he would close.

he can identify several if he just asks his accountant
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
November 07 2012 03:41 GMT
#25919
On November 07 2012 12:40 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 12:38 koreasilver wrote:
For all the economy talk that people bring up with Romney, Romney never showed any substantive when it comes to the economy in any of his plans. Really meaningless talking point.

He didn't even have a plan.

He didn't specify any spending cuts. He claims he'll close $5T of loopholes, and he hasn't named a single loophole he would close.


Presidents don't write legislation. That is his point. He could make a bunch of promises and then disappoint people like Obama, or he can say he would work with Congress and lay out his guiding principles. He chose the second one, which I think is better.
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
November 07 2012 03:42 GMT
#25920
On November 07 2012 12:36 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 12:35 babylon wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:34 wunsun wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:33 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:31 Infernal Knight wrote:
On November 07 2012 12:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
Too bad there's isn't much more conservatives on TL.

More QQ would have been so fun much.


I know it's been asked a few times, but where IS XDaunt? I had thought he'd be here.

He was hear a while ago, basically surrendered.

And conservatives are rare here because the tend to get crucified by a sea of "straw liberals" every single time. Which sucks because there's plenty of people willing to have an intelligent conversation, but a handful of arrogant people on each side make it nigh impossible.


I'm guessing that age group that frequents TL, most of the people are liberals?

Yes. Younger people tend to be more liberal.

And young people have been more active in voting in recent years.

The Republican party of the future will consist of kids who've grown up and watched SouthPark to get their political opinions.
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