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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 26 2012 03:13 GMT
#21061
On October 26 2012 12:09 Swazi Spring wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:06 Souma wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:03 BluePanther wrote:
wow, CNN is blasting Obama's proposed budget right now. They just called him a hypocrite.


I heard something about that. Can you tell me what's being said exactly? I don't know the details.

They're saying his re-election budget is the exact same as his previous budget plan, almost word-for-word. Apparently the only thing that is different is Obama says he wants to change the tax code to remove "tax deductions" for companies that outsource jobs. However, Obama has been blasted for that as well, since the fact-checkers are saying that no such deduction exists.


Oh, I thought we all knew his re-election budget was the same.

As for the deductions for outsourcing jobs, perhaps he was talking about some loophole that people manipulated to make it apply when they outsourced jobs? This I don't know because I am not familiar at all with the corporate tax code. so hopefully someone can shed light on the matter.
Writer
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 26 2012 03:16 GMT
#21062
So people are just now figuring that Obama has no new plans and is basically rerunning on his 2008 campaign promises?
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
October 26 2012 03:16 GMT
#21063
On October 26 2012 12:13 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:09 Swazi Spring wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:06 Souma wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:03 BluePanther wrote:
wow, CNN is blasting Obama's proposed budget right now. They just called him a hypocrite.


I heard something about that. Can you tell me what's being said exactly? I don't know the details.

They're saying his re-election budget is the exact same as his previous budget plan, almost word-for-word. Apparently the only thing that is different is Obama says he wants to change the tax code to remove "tax deductions" for companies that outsource jobs. However, Obama has been blasted for that as well, since the fact-checkers are saying that no such deduction exists.


Oh, I thought we all knew his re-election budget was the same.

As for the deductions for outsourcing jobs, perhaps he was talking about some loophole that people manipulated to make it apply when they outsourced jobs? This I don't know because I am not familiar at all with the corporate tax code. so hopefully someone can shed light on the matter.

All business expenses are deductible since the corporate tax is on net income. A business outsourcing / off-shoring jobs will naturally incur expenses in the process - which, as expenses, are then deductible. That's the deduction Obama is referring to.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 26 2012 03:18 GMT
#21064
On October 26 2012 12:16 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:13 Souma wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:09 Swazi Spring wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:06 Souma wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:03 BluePanther wrote:
wow, CNN is blasting Obama's proposed budget right now. They just called him a hypocrite.


I heard something about that. Can you tell me what's being said exactly? I don't know the details.

They're saying his re-election budget is the exact same as his previous budget plan, almost word-for-word. Apparently the only thing that is different is Obama says he wants to change the tax code to remove "tax deductions" for companies that outsource jobs. However, Obama has been blasted for that as well, since the fact-checkers are saying that no such deduction exists.


Oh, I thought we all knew his re-election budget was the same.

As for the deductions for outsourcing jobs, perhaps he was talking about some loophole that people manipulated to make it apply when they outsourced jobs? This I don't know because I am not familiar at all with the corporate tax code. so hopefully someone can shed light on the matter.

All business expenses are deductible since the corporate tax is on net income. A business outsourcing / off-shoring jobs will naturally incur expenses in the process - which, as expenses, are then deductible. That's the deduction Obama is referring to.


Yeah I was also thinking it might be that. Thanks.
Writer
Swazi Spring
Profile Joined September 2012
United States415 Posts
October 26 2012 03:19 GMT
#21065
On October 26 2012 12:13 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:09 Swazi Spring wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:06 Souma wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:03 BluePanther wrote:
wow, CNN is blasting Obama's proposed budget right now. They just called him a hypocrite.


I heard something about that. Can you tell me what's being said exactly? I don't know the details.

They're saying his re-election budget is the exact same as his previous budget plan, almost word-for-word. Apparently the only thing that is different is Obama says he wants to change the tax code to remove "tax deductions" for companies that outsource jobs. However, Obama has been blasted for that as well, since the fact-checkers are saying that no such deduction exists.


Oh, I thought we all knew his re-election budget was the same.

As for the deductions for outsourcing jobs, perhaps he was talking about some loophole that people manipulated to make it apply when they outsourced jobs? This I don't know because I am not familiar at all with the corporate tax code. so hopefully someone can shed light on the matter.

Fox News actually did a pretty fair and balanced article on it: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/04/fact-check-tax-break-for-shipping-jobs-overseas/
Zaqwert
Profile Joined June 2008
United States411 Posts
October 26 2012 03:20 GMT
#21066
Romney is leading most of the national polls by 2-3% and has been for about 2 weeks and there is only 2 weeks to go. If this lead continues there's no way Obama is not sweating.

Will Ohio deviate from the national polls all that much, particularly in tilt towards of the Dem candidate?

Just looking back the last 5 election cycles..

92 - Clinton won Ohio by ~2%, he won nationally by 5.5%
96 - Clinton won Ohio by ~6%, he won nationally by 8.5%
00 - Bush won Ohio by 2.5%, he lost nationally by 0.5%
04 - Bush won Ohio by 2.5%, he won nationally by 1.5%
08 - Obama won Ohio by ~5%, he won nationally by 7%

In every case the Democratic candidate underperformed in Ohio compared to the national popular vote.

It doesn't seem logical that Romney can win the popular vote but lose Ohio. Ohio has consistenly tilted more favorably to the Republican candidate vs. the national %. It would be really bizarre for Obama to win Ohio but lose the popular vote.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
October 26 2012 03:21 GMT
#21067
On October 26 2012 12:16 xDaunt wrote:
So people are just now figuring that Obama has no new plans and is basically rerunning on his 2008 campaign promises?



I kind of thought that was the whole point. If you like the job Obama is doing or think he is doing better than Romney would, than vote for him. If you don't, you don't.

Swazi Spring
Profile Joined September 2012
United States415 Posts
October 26 2012 03:23 GMT
#21068
On October 26 2012 12:21 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:16 xDaunt wrote:
So people are just now figuring that Obama has no new plans and is basically rerunning on his 2008 campaign promises?



I kind of thought that was the whole point. If you like the job Obama is doing or think he is doing better than Romney would, than vote for him. If you don't, you don't.


What if you don't like the job either of them are doing/will do?
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 26 2012 03:24 GMT
#21069
On October 26 2012 12:23 Swazi Spring wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:21 Defacer wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:16 xDaunt wrote:
So people are just now figuring that Obama has no new plans and is basically rerunning on his 2008 campaign promises?



I kind of thought that was the whole point. If you like the job Obama is doing or think he is doing better than Romney would, than vote for him. If you don't, you don't.


What if you don't like the job either of them are doing/will do?


Tis why I'm voting for Jill Stein.
Writer
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6215 Posts
October 26 2012 03:25 GMT
#21070
On October 26 2012 12:23 Swazi Spring wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:21 Defacer wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:16 xDaunt wrote:
So people are just now figuring that Obama has no new plans and is basically rerunning on his 2008 campaign promises?



I kind of thought that was the whole point. If you like the job Obama is doing or think he is doing better than Romney would, than vote for him. If you don't, you don't.


What if you don't like the job either of them are doing/will do?


Sucks to be you, move to canada.
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
October 26 2012 03:25 GMT
#21071
On October 26 2012 12:06 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:03 BluePanther wrote:
wow, CNN is blasting Obama's proposed budget right now. They just called him a hypocrite.


I heard something about that. Can you tell me what's being said exactly? I don't know the details.


basically they pointed out the fact that his plan is just as impossible as romney's, and asked for clarification. They said his clarification, while an improvement over his "booklet" plan, is still utterly impossible.
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
October 26 2012 03:26 GMT
#21072
On October 26 2012 12:20 Zaqwert wrote:
Romney is leading most of the national polls by 2-3% and has been for about 2 weeks and there is only 2 weeks to go. If this lead continues there's no way Obama is not sweating.

Will Ohio deviate from the national polls all that much, particularly in tilt towards of the Dem candidate?

Just looking back the last 5 election cycles..

92 - Clinton won Ohio by ~2%, he won nationally by 5.5%
96 - Clinton won Ohio by ~6%, he won nationally by 8.5%
00 - Bush won Ohio by 2.5%, he lost nationally by 0.5%
04 - Bush won Ohio by 2.5%, he won nationally by 1.5%
08 - Obama won Ohio by ~5%, he won nationally by 7%

In every case the Democratic candidate underperformed in Ohio compared to the national popular vote.

It doesn't seem logical that Romney can win the popular vote but lose Ohio. Ohio has consistenly tilted more favorably to the Republican candidate vs. the national %. It would be really bizarre for Obama to win Ohio but lose the popular vote.


Ohio has a very stable economy right now (quite a bit below avg. unemployment) as opposed to 4 years ago, in large part due to the auto bailout from Obama which Romney opposed. For this reason I can see it tilting toward the Democrats this time.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
Swazi Spring
Profile Joined September 2012
United States415 Posts
October 26 2012 03:26 GMT
#21073
Oh get this, Obama's new ad isn't even original, he stole it from Vladimir Putin: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/331710/re-lena-dunhams-awkward-ad-patrick-brennan

Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
October 26 2012 03:32 GMT
#21074
On October 26 2012 12:25 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:23 Swazi Spring wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:21 Defacer wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:16 xDaunt wrote:
So people are just now figuring that Obama has no new plans and is basically rerunning on his 2008 campaign promises?



I kind of thought that was the whole point. If you like the job Obama is doing or think he is doing better than Romney would, than vote for him. If you don't, you don't.


What if you don't like the job either of them are doing/will do?


Sucks to be you, move to canada.


LOL. They always say they will. But they never, never do.

sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
October 26 2012 03:33 GMT
#21075
On October 26 2012 12:32 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:25 Lmui wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:23 Swazi Spring wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:21 Defacer wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:16 xDaunt wrote:
So people are just now figuring that Obama has no new plans and is basically rerunning on his 2008 campaign promises?



I kind of thought that was the whole point. If you like the job Obama is doing or think he is doing better than Romney would, than vote for him. If you don't, you don't.


What if you don't like the job either of them are doing/will do?


Sucks to be you, move to canada.


LOL. They always say they will. But they never, never do.



how's the university system doing?
shikata ga nai
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 26 2012 03:33 GMT
#21076
On October 26 2012 12:32 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:25 Lmui wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:23 Swazi Spring wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:21 Defacer wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:16 xDaunt wrote:
So people are just now figuring that Obama has no new plans and is basically rerunning on his 2008 campaign promises?



I kind of thought that was the whole point. If you like the job Obama is doing or think he is doing better than Romney would, than vote for him. If you don't, you don't.


What if you don't like the job either of them are doing/will do?


Sucks to be you, move to canada.


LOL. They always say they will. But they never, never do.


Can I become Prime Minister of Canada without having been born there?
Writer
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-26 03:36:53
October 26 2012 03:36 GMT
#21077
On October 26 2012 12:33 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:32 Defacer wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:25 Lmui wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:23 Swazi Spring wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:21 Defacer wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:16 xDaunt wrote:
So people are just now figuring that Obama has no new plans and is basically rerunning on his 2008 campaign promises?



I kind of thought that was the whole point. If you like the job Obama is doing or think he is doing better than Romney would, than vote for him. If you don't, you don't.


What if you don't like the job either of them are doing/will do?


Sucks to be you, move to canada.


LOL. They always say they will. But they never, never do.


Can I become Prime Minister of Canada without having been born there?


The right to be a candidate in a federal election is protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The procedures and responsibilities are spelled out in the Canada Elections Act.

Unless specifically declared to be ineligible under section 65 of the Canada Elections Act, any person qualified as an elector may run for election. A prospective candidate must be a Canadian citizen who is at least 18 years of age on election day. A candidate may seek election in only one riding at a time; however, the candidate need not be a registered elector or even reside in that riding. (A riding is also known as a constituency or electoral district.)


Unless I'm googling the wrong site, answer is yes.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 26 2012 03:38 GMT
#21078
On October 26 2012 12:36 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:33 Souma wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:32 Defacer wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:25 Lmui wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:23 Swazi Spring wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:21 Defacer wrote:
On October 26 2012 12:16 xDaunt wrote:
So people are just now figuring that Obama has no new plans and is basically rerunning on his 2008 campaign promises?



I kind of thought that was the whole point. If you like the job Obama is doing or think he is doing better than Romney would, than vote for him. If you don't, you don't.


What if you don't like the job either of them are doing/will do?


Sucks to be you, move to canada.


LOL. They always say they will. But they never, never do.


Can I become Prime Minister of Canada without having been born there?


Show nested quote +
The right to be a candidate in a federal election is protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The procedures and responsibilities are spelled out in the Canada Elections Act.

Unless specifically declared to be ineligible under section 65 of the Canada Elections Act, any person qualified as an elector may run for election. A prospective candidate must be a Canadian citizen who is at least 18 years of age on election day. A candidate may seek election in only one riding at a time; however, the candidate need not be a registered elector or even reside in that riding. (A riding is also known as a constituency or electoral district.)


Unless I'm googling the wrong site, answer is yes.


Happy birthday.

I may have to really consider moving to Canada now.
Writer
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
October 26 2012 03:40 GMT
#21079
Souma with ambitions of chief-executive?
shikata ga nai
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 26 2012 03:41 GMT
#21080
On October 26 2012 12:40 sam!zdat wrote:
Souma with ambitions of chief-executive?


I'd say yes but I'm atheist, and we all know how that'd work out in Amurrca.
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