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TheDna
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany577 Posts
April 18 2012 05:05 GMT
#121
This is pretty disturbing, but its the US army.. I expect much worse things happening, torture and killing of innocent civilians was already made public. So it doesn't surprise me at all :/
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 05:13:22
April 18 2012 05:13 GMT
#122
Women in the military should have a gun/stun gun/stun rod at all times. You can be sure that almost 100% of the time they will only use it for self defense... Fucking stupid pieces of shit in the military who allow this to happen. This shit should not happen to people who volunteer to protect their country. What the fuck.
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n3ac3y
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States108 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 05:40:38
April 18 2012 05:37 GMT
#123
As a soldier currently in Afghanistan now, I say:

While rape does happen in the military, there are loads of programs in place to prevent sexual assault and provide victims numerous means of reporting incidents if their chain of command is ass backwards. There is your immidiate chain of command, your NCO support channel, the chaplains all over the post, police officers both military/civilian as well as medical personal in the medical facilities. It's certainly not as dark and gloomy like they make it sound, you have tons of ways to report it, and 9/10 times they will completely move you to a different unit somewhere else in the country if you need.

Media, like always, exaggerates the hell out of the situation within the Armed forces and it's sad when a lot of GREAT men and women get a terrible reputation when a small handful of losers do terrible shit to other.

I don't really think it's fair at all. What's also not accounted for is the advantage given to the accuser. If a women says she was raped, and is labeled as a psychologically unstable she will net free money from tax-payers for life. If there was alcohol and some chick is with you and wants sex, and even says yes while intoxicated, then the next day goes and reports you for "rape".... well 90% of the time your career as a soldier is DONE and she will have her free ticket out of the army, money coming in everymonth till the day she dies.

TL, there are two sides to everything. I'm sure women do get raped and it happens in our military just like in colleges, where the climate is similar, but I'm also positive that there is even a frightenly higher number of falsified incidents of rape reported.

Edit: and for the record, I'm not gung-ho military, or anything like that. I'll be getting out next year, but this article is extreme, just like Afghanistan coverage. There is a story of a soldier who dove in front of a military vehicle to save a kid's life, only to save the child but have himself ran over and killed by the same vehicle. You'll never see those stories of soldiers doing really awesome things for a really shit war, just like this rape thread where it is made out to seem the military is this horrible rape factory where women are slabs of meat.

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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
April 18 2012 06:55 GMT
#124
I find it ridiculous that people have dismissed this issue as "women are weak, they kind of deserve it if they couldn't defend themselves against this kind of thing". Should a female soldier be raped in the military there should be a governing body outside of the military that deals with these crimes, instead of their officers telling the victims to just forget it. Perhaps more perplexing is the reaction and opinions people have towards this.
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TheGeneralTheoryOf
Profile Joined February 2012
235 Posts
April 18 2012 07:40 GMT
#125
The military has a very strict top down structure for a reason - you are going to be ordering men to run into oncoming fire, which is basically the opposite of what you'd want to do. That's why you need to break soldiers when they join, to fully subordinate them to the chain of command. If you have people going outside of the chain of command then the whole structure breaks down.
Blennd
Profile Joined April 2011
United States266 Posts
April 18 2012 07:57 GMT
#126
On April 18 2012 16:40 TheGeneralTheoryOf wrote:
The military has a very strict top down structure for a reason - you are going to be ordering men to run into oncoming fire, which is basically the opposite of what you'd want to do. That's why you need to break soldiers when they join, to fully subordinate them to the chain of command. If you have people going outside of the chain of command then the whole structure breaks down.


Yeah, it'd be chaos before you know it, people wouldn't know that they can rape people without repercussions without such a strict chain of command.
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
April 18 2012 08:09 GMT
#127
Part of why it is so surprising to me when stuff like this happens is that when I think of military service I always imagine it as a highly controlled / population dense scenario. Basically I don't understand when individuals have the opportunity since, as my relatives tell me, if your superiors are not around then tons of your peers are. Do other enlisted men and women know whats happening and are not reporting it? I dont know the details of this case personally and I am not saying we should expect zero incidents, but if soldiers were holding each other accountable in line with the standards set by their superiors than Id expect these cases (where justice fails) to be literally one in a million.
Sweetfrost
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden213 Posts
April 18 2012 08:54 GMT
#128
It's so mind boggling how rape gets dismissed so often. Not just in this case but in many situations. It's humiliating enough to report a rape, but to get dismissed when you do it must be such a horrible feeling These things make me so angry!
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Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
April 18 2012 09:11 GMT
#129
There's a lot more than just rapes happening. It's the nature of the army with few women and lots of horny young men. There is an athmosphere that accepts sexual harassment. When I was doing my mandatory service and was at the Reserve Officer School, I remember an incident where a female student was kneeled down in a tent to do something and a fellow student slapped her face with his co*k. Obviously that was a joke and could have even happened to a male student (dont ask.. :D), but anyway.
Prime`Rib
Profile Joined September 2010
United States613 Posts
April 18 2012 09:22 GMT
#130
On April 18 2012 14:05 TheDna wrote:
This is pretty disturbing, but its the US army.. I expect much worse things happening, torture and killing of innocent civilians was already made public. So it doesn't surprise me at all :/


Please stop anti-US sentiments. Every armed forces faced some sorts of sexual abuses, not just the US. Dont turn this thread into another anti-US propaganda. If I am mod, I would ban you permanently.
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Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 09:39:26
April 18 2012 09:37 GMT
#131
On April 18 2012 18:22 Prime`Rib wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 14:05 TheDna wrote:
This is pretty disturbing, but its the US army.. I expect much worse things happening, torture and killing of innocent civilians was already made public. So it doesn't surprise me at all :/


Please stop anti-US sentiments. Every armed forces faced some sorts of sexual abuses, not just the US. Dont turn this thread into another anti-US propaganda. If I am mod, I would ban you permanently.

Sure there are sexual abuses everywhere, but only in the US Army will you superior tear out your paperwork in front of you.

Nothin new here, the US army is the scum of the earth. This is not nearly as bad as what they do everyday, ie kill / torture innocents civilians.

User was warned for this post
Prime`Rib
Profile Joined September 2010
United States613 Posts
April 18 2012 10:58 GMT
#132
On April 18 2012 18:37 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 18:22 Prime`Rib wrote:
On April 18 2012 14:05 TheDna wrote:
This is pretty disturbing, but its the US army.. I expect much worse things happening, torture and killing of innocent civilians was already made public. So it doesn't surprise me at all :/


Please stop anti-US sentiments. Every armed forces faced some sorts of sexual abuses, not just the US. Dont turn this thread into another anti-US propaganda. If I am mod, I would ban you permanently.

Sure there are sexual abuses everywhere, but only in the US Army will you superior tear out your paperwork in front of you.

Nothin new here, the US army is the scum of the earth. This is not nearly as bad as what they do everyday, ie kill / torture innocents civilians.


Go read what the Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, North Korean Army did to their people before calling US Army is scum of the Earth. These anti US sentiments are getting annoying. It is like you read the newspaper and assumed everything is fact.
... funerals are insane, the chicks are so horny, its not even fair, its like fishing with dynamite ...
n3ac3y
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States108 Posts
April 18 2012 11:12 GMT
#133
On April 18 2012 18:37 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 18:22 Prime`Rib wrote:
On April 18 2012 14:05 TheDna wrote:
This is pretty disturbing, but its the US army.. I expect much worse things happening, torture and killing of innocent civilians was already made public. So it doesn't surprise me at all :/


Please stop anti-US sentiments. Every armed forces faced some sorts of sexual abuses, not just the US. Dont turn this thread into another anti-US propaganda. If I am mod, I would ban you permanently.

Sure there are sexual abuses everywhere, but only in the US Army will you superior tear out your paperwork in front of you.

Nothin new here, the US army is the scum of the earth. This is not nearly as bad as what they do everyday, ie kill / torture innocents civilians.


Yes, we in the Army spend our free time eating the hearts of afghan babies, kicking kittens and raping women at gunpoint.


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n3ac3y
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States108 Posts
April 18 2012 11:14 GMT
#134
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/hero-u-s-soldier-gives-life-to-save-afghan-girl/

For your spatial awareness.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 18 2012 11:23 GMT
#135
On April 17 2012 23:13 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 22:31 -_-Quails wrote:
On April 17 2012 22:24 Psychobabas wrote:
I'm very skeptical about claims like that. Unless there are witnesses, who says that the women aren't lying about consensual sex and have other motives?

For me: No witnesses or hard evidence = no case.

Reporting something doesn't necessarily mean it is true.

That's why there should have been an investigation into each report...
With no immediate investigation, most things constituting hard evidence are destroyed within hours (semen samples) or disappear in days (bruises). The investigation is needed to record evidence when it exists.

Few rapes have witnesses, just as few murders, kidnappings and muggings do.

Also, there is a very low rate of false reports of rape.


I wouldn't call 3% very low...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

The true problem when it comes to rape is that you can't tell the difference between a rape and consensual sex by a gynacological examination, so you'll have to get other evidence that there was actually a rape happening which is VERY hard as most things can be explained by the perpetrator claiming consensual sex.

You can tell it very easily. -_-
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Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
April 18 2012 11:49 GMT
#136
On April 18 2012 19:58 Prime`Rib wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 18:37 Nizaris wrote:
On April 18 2012 18:22 Prime`Rib wrote:
On April 18 2012 14:05 TheDna wrote:
This is pretty disturbing, but its the US army.. I expect much worse things happening, torture and killing of innocent civilians was already made public. So it doesn't surprise me at all :/


Please stop anti-US sentiments. Every armed forces faced some sorts of sexual abuses, not just the US. Dont turn this thread into another anti-US propaganda. If I am mod, I would ban you permanently.

Sure there are sexual abuses everywhere, but only in the US Army will you superior tear out your paperwork in front of you.

Nothin new here, the US army is the scum of the earth. This is not nearly as bad as what they do everyday, ie kill / torture innocents civilians.


Go read what the Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, North Korean Army did to their people before calling US Army is scum of the Earth. These anti US sentiments are getting annoying. It is like you read the newspaper and assumed everything is fact.

They still make newspapers these days?

That's the thing, bolded the important part, the fact that you do it to other countries civilian population is even worse. I would have no problem if you did that shit at home.
fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel157 Posts
April 18 2012 12:40 GMT
#137
On April 18 2012 20:49 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 19:58 Prime`Rib wrote:
On April 18 2012 18:37 Nizaris wrote:
On April 18 2012 18:22 Prime`Rib wrote:
On April 18 2012 14:05 TheDna wrote:
This is pretty disturbing, but its the US army.. I expect much worse things happening, torture and killing of innocent civilians was already made public. So it doesn't surprise me at all :/


Please stop anti-US sentiments. Every armed forces faced some sorts of sexual abuses, not just the US. Dont turn this thread into another anti-US propaganda. If I am mod, I would ban you permanently.

Sure there are sexual abuses everywhere, but only in the US Army will you superior tear out your paperwork in front of you.

Nothin new here, the US army is the scum of the earth. This is not nearly as bad as what they do everyday, ie kill / torture innocents civilians.


Go read what the Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, North Korean Army did to their people before calling US Army is scum of the Earth. These anti US sentiments are getting annoying. It is like you read the newspaper and assumed everything is fact.

They still make newspapers these days?

That's the thing, bolded the important part, the fact that you do it to other countries civilian population is even worse. I would have no problem if you did that shit at home.

I don't think there is much difference. You sexually abuse women and you deserve to be punished.
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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
April 18 2012 19:43 GMT
#138
Remember when the US used to be the moral authority and police of the world?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-afghan-photos-20120418,0,5032601.story

Me neither. It's sad to read comments that defend the treatment of rape victims by trotting out how plenty of atrocities have been committed by other armies, or that it pales in comparison statistically to sexual assault in the general population, etc.

Americans used to pride themselves on having a higher moral standards.
Miss_Cleo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 20:01:53
April 18 2012 20:01 GMT
#139
On April 18 2012 18:37 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 18:22 Prime`Rib wrote:
On April 18 2012 14:05 TheDna wrote:
This is pretty disturbing, but its the US army.. I expect much worse things happening, torture and killing of innocent civilians was already made public. So it doesn't surprise me at all :/


Please stop anti-US sentiments. Every armed forces faced some sorts of sexual abuses, not just the US. Dont turn this thread into another anti-US propaganda. If I am mod, I would ban you permanently.

Sure there are sexual abuses everywhere, but only in the US Army will you superior tear out your paperwork in front of you.

Nothin new here, the US army is the scum of the earth. This is not nearly as bad as what they do everyday, ie kill / torture innocents civilians.

User was warned for this post



Hate to break it to you buddy, but go read about what King Leopold II did in Congo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Free_State


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MutilatedChildrenFromCongo.jpg
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
April 18 2012 20:01 GMT
#140
On April 18 2012 20:23 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 23:13 Ghostcom wrote:
On April 17 2012 22:31 -_-Quails wrote:
On April 17 2012 22:24 Psychobabas wrote:
I'm very skeptical about claims like that. Unless there are witnesses, who says that the women aren't lying about consensual sex and have other motives?

For me: No witnesses or hard evidence = no case.

Reporting something doesn't necessarily mean it is true.

That's why there should have been an investigation into each report...
With no immediate investigation, most things constituting hard evidence are destroyed within hours (semen samples) or disappear in days (bruises). The investigation is needed to record evidence when it exists.

Few rapes have witnesses, just as few murders, kidnappings and muggings do.

Also, there is a very low rate of false reports of rape.


I wouldn't call 3% very low...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

The true problem when it comes to rape is that you can't tell the difference between a rape and consensual sex by a gynacological examination, so you'll have to get other evidence that there was actually a rape happening which is VERY hard as most things can be explained by the perpetrator claiming consensual sex.

You can tell it very easily. -_-

Care to explain how instead of making a blanket statement? Because, from my non-medical understanding, you can easily tell if there has been intercourse, but not if said intercourse was forced or not.
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