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On April 03 2012 17:22 Shelke14 wrote:
Wasn't this posted a week ago and thoroughly discussed? It ended up being a debate on what really counted a person being identified as a women or a man, then closed by the admins. Anyways, please search next time OP. Thank you.
It's called news, dude.
They're allowing her back in the competition. Good for her.
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Ohhhhhhhhh Canadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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So another example of this, do you believe that transgender men should be disqualified from completing in women's Olympic events, I know there was a lot of drama over it at the last Olympics.
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On April 03 2012 17:29 NotSorry wrote:
So another example of this, do you believe that transgender men should be disqualified from completing in women's Olympic events, I know there was a lot of drama over it at the last Olympics.
I feel that they shouldn't be allowed into athletic competitions.
Being born a man doesn't give you any advantage over woman in a beauty contest.
Being born a man could, and likely would, give you an advantage in most athletic activities. I feel this would be unfair.
Just my opinion.
Edit: Go Canada. Awesome, surprise reversal.
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Steven Tyler came from Canada
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On April 03 2012 17:29 NotSorry wrote:
So another example of this, do you believe that transgender men should be disqualified from completing in women's Olympic events, I know there was a lot of drama over it at the last Olympics.
Transgender man = female to male
Transgender woman = male to female
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He was not born a female.
He lied about it on the entrance form.
The rules state you must be born a female.
This is an open and shut case...
I stand by the organizations ruling of disqualification 100%. It has nothing to do with being bigoted as Kwark the moderator cited as being the reason for closing the previous thread. ITS ABOUT FOLLOWING THE RULES PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On April 03 2012 17:29 NotSorry wrote:
So another example of this, do you believe that transgender men should be disqualified from completing in women's Olympic events, I know there was a lot of drama over it at the last Olympics.
Ohhhhh that's a tough question.
It's easy to support a transgender contestant in a beauty pageant, simply because (personally) I consider it a frivolous competition.
My first instinct is yes ... they should be allowed to compete in women's Olympics events, assume they're post-op transgender athletes. A guy in a wig isn't going to cut it.
However, my justification isn't that strong. My reasons for allowing post-op transgender to compete in female events would be:
1) They self-identify as women, and would almost certainly be disqualified from men's events
2) Olympic-caliber athletes of either gender are simply rare, let alone one that is also transgender. I just don't think it would have a dramatic impact on the integrity of the competition. I have a hard time believing a male olympic athlete would undergo a sex change simply to win a women's medal.
However ... if something like testosterone is considered a performance-enhancing drug for women, shouldn't any kind of hormone therapy disqualified from the Olympics?
TLDR: I have no fucking idea, have to think about it more.
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On April 03 2012 17:50 scatmango2 wrote:
He was not born a female.
He lied about it on the entrance form.
The rules state you must be born a female.
This is an open and shut case...
I stand by the organizations ruling of disqualification 100%. It has nothing to do with being bigoted as Kwark the moderator cited as being the reason for closing the previous thread. ITS ABOUT FOLLOWING THE RULES PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Blindly following rules is never a good thing in this day and age, with so much change going on. We need to adapt.
Although I dont like models cause their too skinny, I must say Im pretty impressed by her look.
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On April 03 2012 17:50 scatmango2 wrote:
He was not born a female.
He lied about it on the entrance form.
The rules state you must be born a female.
This is an open and shut case...
I stand by the organizations ruling of disqualification 100%. It has nothing to do with being bigoted as Kwark the moderator cited as being the reason for closing the previous thread. ITS ABOUT FOLLOWING THE RULES PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Hi. One of my best friends is transgender.
Not only does your referring to the competitor as "he" offend me, but that you claim that you are not a bigot is nothing short of absurd.
Transgender people identify as the other gender. They regard themselves AS that gender. If they are young, they can take hormone pills to switch gender. This is not a surgical procedure. In my friend's case, she gained all the aspects of a female body. Surgery is used to help ease the transition and correct several non-cosmetic things.
So, you're a bigot, and are blindly following a Donald Trump ruling.
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On April 03 2012 17:51 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 17:29 NotSorry wrote:
So another example of this, do you believe that transgender men should be disqualified from completing in women's Olympic events, I know there was a lot of drama over it at the last Olympics. Ohhhhh that's a tough question. It's easy to support a transgender contestant in a beauty pageant, simply because (personally) I consider it a frivolous competition. My first instinct is yes ... they should be allowed to compete in women's Olympics events, assume they're post-op transgender athletes. A guy in a wig isn't going to cut it. However, my justification isn't that strong. My reasons for allowing post-op transgender to compete in female events would be: 1) They self-identify as women, and would almost certainly be disqualified from men's events 2) Olympic-caliber athletes of either gender are simply rare, let alone one that is also transgender. I just don't think it would have a dramatic impact on the integrity of the competition. I have a hard time believe a male olympic athlete would undergo a sex change simply to win a women's medal. However ... if something like testosterone is considered a performance-enhancing drug for women, shouldn't any kind of hormone therapy disqualified from the Olympics? TLDR: I have no fucking idea, have to think about it more.
It's a very tough question indeed. 7 billion people and growing, there are probably lots of females with higher testosteron then men (a wild guess from my side). Humans comes in all forms and sizes, it's already unfair, and some things you just gotta let go off, and play with the cards you are dealt.
In the case of olympics, I think I would vote for keep it stupidly simple. Born a girl, go with the girls. Born a man, but transition into a man in the midgame cause thats your true nature, well your lucky your born in this day and age and have lots of options to fix your physical looks.
One thing I know we can do, is to not judge this girl the way she was borned. Keep an opened mind, and you will find her very attractive and view her as a girl. It is only very complicated when it comes to sport and how men and women are divided.
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Are trannies ever the other way around? I hear a lot of man into woman but...
If not, I think maybe there's a cause of some sort...
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On April 03 2012 17:50 scatmango2 wrote:
He was not born a female.
He lied about it on the entrance form.
The rules state you must be born a female.
This is an open and shut case...
I stand by the organizations ruling of disqualification 100%. It has nothing to do with being bigoted as Kwark the moderator cited as being the reason for closing the previous thread. ITS ABOUT FOLLOWING THE RULES PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Not only is this a silly point but I would love to see the application form if this were actually the case. How likely is it that the question of gender was framed as "what sex were you when you were born"? Almost surely it was just like every other form in the world with a simple box where you check male or female. In the end it doesnt matter. She is and always has been female. All that has changed is that her body more accurately reflects her true self.
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On April 03 2012 18:09 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 18:08 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Are trannies ever the other way around? I hear a lot of man into woman but...
If not, I think maybe there's a cause of some sort... Of course there is... was this a serious question?
Well, I'd never heard of it. It either gets a lot less attention, or is significantly less common.
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On April 03 2012 05:02 JOJOsc2news wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 03:41 StimFesT wrote:
I seriously feel wierd when I look at the picture and know that she/he was born as a regular male. But she/he is actually beautiful Wow... stumbling over the he/she awkwardness in this post. She chose to be a woman, just call her her. He's a man who had surgery/hormone therapy; just call him him.
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On April 03 2012 18:12 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 05:02 JOJOsc2news wrote:On April 03 2012 03:41 StimFesT wrote:
I seriously feel wierd when I look at the picture and know that she/he was born as a regular male. But she/he is actually beautiful Wow... stumbling over the he/she awkwardness in this post. She chose to be a woman, just call her her. He's a man who had surgery/hormone therapy; just call him him.
No. He was born a female mentally, and is now female completely.
You're an extremely rude and insensitive individual. I highly doubt you'd have the balls to tell this woman that shes a "man" to her face.
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On April 03 2012 17:59 Praetorial wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 17:50 scatmango2 wrote:
He was not born a female.
He lied about it on the entrance form.
The rules state you must be born a female.
This is an open and shut case...
I stand by the organizations ruling of disqualification 100%. It has nothing to do with being bigoted as Kwark the moderator cited as being the reason for closing the previous thread. ITS ABOUT FOLLOWING THE RULES PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Hi. One of my best friends is transgender. Not only does your referring to the competitor as "he" offend me, but that you claim that you are not a bigot is nothing short of absurd. Transgender people identify as the other gender. They regard themselves AS that gender. If they are young, they can take hormone pills to switch gender. This is not a surgical procedure. In my friend's case, she gained all the aspects of a female body. Surgery is used to help ease the transition and correct several non-cosmetic things. So, you're a bigot, and are blindly following a Donald Trump ruling.
Is this a joke? Did I say your friend and other trans gender individuals don't have the right to exist or restrict any rights from them? NO. He was born a male and nothing he ever does will say other wise. He may consider himself a female, but he is still born a male. You're just incredibly ignorant I can't even begin to comprehend it. The rules are the rules herpa derpa. If I claimed I was a female and only identified myself as such then by your definition I could partake in the event?
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On April 03 2012 18:12 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 05:02 JOJOsc2news wrote:On April 03 2012 03:41 StimFesT wrote:
I seriously feel wierd when I look at the picture and know that she/he was born as a regular male. But she/he is actually beautiful Wow... stumbling over the he/she awkwardness in this post. She chose to be a woman, just call her her. He's a man who had surgery/hormone therapy; just call him him.
She's a woman in all but biological birth, respect her choices. Jeez some people. I'm not sure you get this, but transgender people in general identify as the gender they became.
It not like "hurr durr I want to have boobs". If you think it is, you're wrong.
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