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On July 10 2013 11:05 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 10:46 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 10 2013 10:44 Defacer wrote:
You guys must of had a small circle of friends in high school if you think watching porn, smoking weed, or even getting suspended or expelled is in anyway exceptional for a teenager. Oh yeah, I had plenty of "friends" who got expelled/suspended from school, smoked weed, got in fights, couldn't speak English correctly at 17... they were all dirt-bags. And I don't know about the whole gun thing. But considering the amount of gun right activists in this thread that I KNOW have argued tirelessly against additional restrictions or limitations on guns, I just assumed that a teenager eagerly trying to celebrate his gun 'freedoms' would be just another wily whipper-snapper trying to live the American Dream.
And think about it: if Trayvon had a gun that night, it might have saved his life!
I don't think Trayvon is exactly the "responsible gun owner" that we're all talking about... though that's kinda off-topic. Yeah, I honestly don't know gun culture in America well enough to know whether trying to buy a gun underneath the table in high school is 'weird'. I'm sure it's frowned upon, but I assume it happens more often in the states than Canada.
We give all children guns by age 14. It would be weird because that kid should already have a gun.
Are you high? Of course it's 'weird'. It's illegal. You would be arrested for it.
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On July 10 2013 11:10 Felnarion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:05 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2013 10:46 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 10 2013 10:44 Defacer wrote:
You guys must of had a small circle of friends in high school if you think watching porn, smoking weed, or even getting suspended or expelled is in anyway exceptional for a teenager. Oh yeah, I had plenty of "friends" who got expelled/suspended from school, smoked weed, got in fights, couldn't speak English correctly at 17... they were all dirt-bags. And I don't know about the whole gun thing. But considering the amount of gun right activists in this thread that I KNOW have argued tirelessly against additional restrictions or limitations on guns, I just assumed that a teenager eagerly trying to celebrate his gun 'freedoms' would be just another wily whipper-snapper trying to live the American Dream.
And think about it: if Trayvon had a gun that night, it might have saved his life!
I don't think Trayvon is exactly the "responsible gun owner" that we're all talking about... though that's kinda off-topic. Yeah, I honestly don't know gun culture in America well enough to know whether trying to buy a gun underneath the table in high school is 'weird'. I'm sure it's frowned upon, but I assume it happens more often in the states than Canada. We give all children guns by age 14. It would be weird because that kid should already have a gun. Are you high? Of course it's 'weird'. It's illegal. You would be arrested for it.
yeah, im going to echo that you sound like an idiot. of course its not okay for minors to purchase guns illegally.
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On July 10 2013 10:47 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 10:44 Defacer wrote:
You guys must of had a small circle of friends in high school if you think watching porn, smoking weed, or even getting suspended or expelled is in anyway exceptional for a teenager.
And I don't know about the whole gun thing. But considering the amount of gun right activists in this thread that I KNOW have argued tirelessly against additional restrictions or limitations on guns, I just assumed that a teenager eagerly trying to celebrate his gun 'freedoms' would be just another wily whipper-snapper trying to live the American Dream.
And think about it: if Trayvon had a gun that night, it might have saved his life!
I think being expelled from school is a jarring flaw of character, but maybe I just don't have friends.
I had a couple of good friends that dropped out ... or essentially were expelled after repeatedly getting suspended and not giving a fuck. One had a juvenile record for stealing cars, breaking and entering, and doing a ton of drugs. Way worse shit than what Trayvon did. The other was (and is) essentially a high-functioning alcoholic.
Both did their high school equivalency. The first one moved out east, got his Master's in Philosophy, has a family and does freelance web design. The latter is a waiter at the Four Seasons. Not his dream job obviously, but it's as good as waiting tables can get and he probably banks more money than me.
TLDR; there's tons of teenagers that go through rough patches and bounce back. I'm going to give Trayvon Martin the benefit of the doubt and classify him not as a 'thug' or sociopath but as dumb teenager caught up in dumb teenage shit.
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On July 10 2013 11:05 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 10:46 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 10 2013 10:44 Defacer wrote:
You guys must of had a small circle of friends in high school if you think watching porn, smoking weed, or even getting suspended or expelled is in anyway exceptional for a teenager. Oh yeah, I had plenty of "friends" who got expelled/suspended from school, smoked weed, got in fights, couldn't speak English correctly at 17... they were all dirt-bags. And I don't know about the whole gun thing. But considering the amount of gun right activists in this thread that I KNOW have argued tirelessly against additional restrictions or limitations on guns, I just assumed that a teenager eagerly trying to celebrate his gun 'freedoms' would be just another wily whipper-snapper trying to live the American Dream.
And think about it: if Trayvon had a gun that night, it might have saved his life!
I don't think Trayvon is exactly the "responsible gun owner" that we're all talking about... though that's kinda off-topic. Yeah, I honestly don't know gun culture in America well enough to know whether trying to buy a gun underneath the table in high school is 'weird'. I'm sure it's frowned upon, but I assume it happens more often in the states than Canada.
Well there's that little snafu that it's a felony to buy a gun "under the table" as you call it.
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On July 10 2013 11:11 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:10 Felnarion wrote:On July 10 2013 11:05 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2013 10:46 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 10 2013 10:44 Defacer wrote:
You guys must of had a small circle of friends in high school if you think watching porn, smoking weed, or even getting suspended or expelled is in anyway exceptional for a teenager. Oh yeah, I had plenty of "friends" who got expelled/suspended from school, smoked weed, got in fights, couldn't speak English correctly at 17... they were all dirt-bags. And I don't know about the whole gun thing. But considering the amount of gun right activists in this thread that I KNOW have argued tirelessly against additional restrictions or limitations on guns, I just assumed that a teenager eagerly trying to celebrate his gun 'freedoms' would be just another wily whipper-snapper trying to live the American Dream.
And think about it: if Trayvon had a gun that night, it might have saved his life!
I don't think Trayvon is exactly the "responsible gun owner" that we're all talking about... though that's kinda off-topic. Yeah, I honestly don't know gun culture in America well enough to know whether trying to buy a gun underneath the table in high school is 'weird'. I'm sure it's frowned upon, but I assume it happens more often in the states than Canada. We give all children guns by age 14. It would be weird because that kid should already have a gun. Are you high? Of course it's 'weird'. It's illegal. You would be arrested for it. yeah, im going to echo that you sound like an idiot. of course its not okay for minors to purchase guns illegally.
So is smoking weed and minors buying booze in America, but a shit load of teenagers do it. They must all be depraved.
(I know it's illegal, I was asking how common it is. Get off your high horse.)
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On July 10 2013 11:16 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:11 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 10 2013 11:10 Felnarion wrote:On July 10 2013 11:05 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2013 10:46 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 10 2013 10:44 Defacer wrote:
You guys must of had a small circle of friends in high school if you think watching porn, smoking weed, or even getting suspended or expelled is in anyway exceptional for a teenager. Oh yeah, I had plenty of "friends" who got expelled/suspended from school, smoked weed, got in fights, couldn't speak English correctly at 17... they were all dirt-bags. And I don't know about the whole gun thing. But considering the amount of gun right activists in this thread that I KNOW have argued tirelessly against additional restrictions or limitations on guns, I just assumed that a teenager eagerly trying to celebrate his gun 'freedoms' would be just another wily whipper-snapper trying to live the American Dream.
And think about it: if Trayvon had a gun that night, it might have saved his life!
I don't think Trayvon is exactly the "responsible gun owner" that we're all talking about... though that's kinda off-topic. Yeah, I honestly don't know gun culture in America well enough to know whether trying to buy a gun underneath the table in high school is 'weird'. I'm sure it's frowned upon, but I assume it happens more often in the states than Canada. We give all children guns by age 14. It would be weird because that kid should already have a gun. Are you high? Of course it's 'weird'. It's illegal. You would be arrested for it. yeah, im going to echo that you sound like an idiot. of course its not okay for minors to purchase guns illegally. So's smoking weed and buying booze in America, but a shit load of teenagers do it. They must all be depraved. (I know it's illegal, I was asking how common it is. Get off your high horse.)
Let's put it this way... it's uncommon as shit... if you don't go into a fucking gang infested ghetto school. And hell, even there it's probably pretty uncommon.
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Someone please update me on this case? I never followed it but I read the summary from today and the Pathologist who acted as witness for the defense made it convincing that Zimmerman was wrestled down onto the ground.
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On July 10 2013 11:17 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:16 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2013 11:11 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 10 2013 11:10 Felnarion wrote:On July 10 2013 11:05 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2013 10:46 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 10 2013 10:44 Defacer wrote:
You guys must of had a small circle of friends in high school if you think watching porn, smoking weed, or even getting suspended or expelled is in anyway exceptional for a teenager. Oh yeah, I had plenty of "friends" who got expelled/suspended from school, smoked weed, got in fights, couldn't speak English correctly at 17... they were all dirt-bags. And I don't know about the whole gun thing. But considering the amount of gun right activists in this thread that I KNOW have argued tirelessly against additional restrictions or limitations on guns, I just assumed that a teenager eagerly trying to celebrate his gun 'freedoms' would be just another wily whipper-snapper trying to live the American Dream.
And think about it: if Trayvon had a gun that night, it might have saved his life!
I don't think Trayvon is exactly the "responsible gun owner" that we're all talking about... though that's kinda off-topic. Yeah, I honestly don't know gun culture in America well enough to know whether trying to buy a gun underneath the table in high school is 'weird'. I'm sure it's frowned upon, but I assume it happens more often in the states than Canada. We give all children guns by age 14. It would be weird because that kid should already have a gun. Are you high? Of course it's 'weird'. It's illegal. You would be arrested for it. yeah, im going to echo that you sound like an idiot. of course its not okay for minors to purchase guns illegally. So's smoking weed and buying booze in America, but a shit load of teenagers do it. They must all be depraved. (I know it's illegal, I was asking how common it is. Get off your high horse.) Let's put it this way... it's uncommon as shit... if you don't go into a fucking gang infested ghetto school. And hell, even there it's probably pretty uncommon.
Thanks, that's all I was asking.
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On July 10 2013 11:16 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:11 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 10 2013 11:10 Felnarion wrote:On July 10 2013 11:05 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2013 10:46 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 10 2013 10:44 Defacer wrote:
You guys must of had a small circle of friends in high school if you think watching porn, smoking weed, or even getting suspended or expelled is in anyway exceptional for a teenager. Oh yeah, I had plenty of "friends" who got expelled/suspended from school, smoked weed, got in fights, couldn't speak English correctly at 17... they were all dirt-bags. And I don't know about the whole gun thing. But considering the amount of gun right activists in this thread that I KNOW have argued tirelessly against additional restrictions or limitations on guns, I just assumed that a teenager eagerly trying to celebrate his gun 'freedoms' would be just another wily whipper-snapper trying to live the American Dream.
And think about it: if Trayvon had a gun that night, it might have saved his life!
I don't think Trayvon is exactly the "responsible gun owner" that we're all talking about... though that's kinda off-topic. Yeah, I honestly don't know gun culture in America well enough to know whether trying to buy a gun underneath the table in high school is 'weird'. I'm sure it's frowned upon, but I assume it happens more often in the states than Canada. We give all children guns by age 14. It would be weird because that kid should already have a gun. Are you high? Of course it's 'weird'. It's illegal. You would be arrested for it. yeah, im going to echo that you sound like an idiot. of course its not okay for minors to purchase guns illegally. So is smoking weed and minors buying booze in America, but a shit load of teenagers do it. They must all be depraved. (I know it's illegal, I was asking how common it is. Get off your high horse.)
Like I said. F-E-L-O-N-Y
Drug and alcohol consumption are misdemeanors and slaps on the wrist in most cases. Rarely ever any jail time. Carrying an illegal firearm? You're looking at serious jail time.
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On July 10 2013 11:19 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:17 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 10 2013 11:16 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2013 11:11 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 10 2013 11:10 Felnarion wrote:On July 10 2013 11:05 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2013 10:46 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 10 2013 10:44 Defacer wrote:
You guys must of had a small circle of friends in high school if you think watching porn, smoking weed, or even getting suspended or expelled is in anyway exceptional for a teenager. Oh yeah, I had plenty of "friends" who got expelled/suspended from school, smoked weed, got in fights, couldn't speak English correctly at 17... they were all dirt-bags. And I don't know about the whole gun thing. But considering the amount of gun right activists in this thread that I KNOW have argued tirelessly against additional restrictions or limitations on guns, I just assumed that a teenager eagerly trying to celebrate his gun 'freedoms' would be just another wily whipper-snapper trying to live the American Dream.
And think about it: if Trayvon had a gun that night, it might have saved his life!
I don't think Trayvon is exactly the "responsible gun owner" that we're all talking about... though that's kinda off-topic. Yeah, I honestly don't know gun culture in America well enough to know whether trying to buy a gun underneath the table in high school is 'weird'. I'm sure it's frowned upon, but I assume it happens more often in the states than Canada. We give all children guns by age 14. It would be weird because that kid should already have a gun. Are you high? Of course it's 'weird'. It's illegal. You would be arrested for it. yeah, im going to echo that you sound like an idiot. of course its not okay for minors to purchase guns illegally. So's smoking weed and buying booze in America, but a shit load of teenagers do it. They must all be depraved. (I know it's illegal, I was asking how common it is. Get off your high horse.) Let's put it this way... it's uncommon as shit... if you don't go into a fucking gang infested ghetto school. And hell, even there it's probably pretty uncommon. Thanks, that's all I was asking.
The problem is that even having to ask if our children regularly exchange guns is beyond idiotic in the first place.
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Buying a gun "under the table" (I assume literally) inside a high school is not something that happens regularly in America, too much risk why do it at school when you can do it at home after school.
Defacer keep spinnin' dem wheels trying to make Trayvon look like some good kid just made some mistakes all teenagers make mistakes no. Getting in fights is a mistake (or not, sometimes you just gotta throw down in HS), messing around with guns is a sign of a big problem.
We're not talking about redneck kids shooting in the back field or going hunting or rich kids with Republican dads going to the shooting range or out to the woods to have some Fun With Weapons, it's a much different thing for urban 'disadvantaged' youth of any race to be talking about how to get guns because it's almost a certainty that the guns will be obtained illegally and will be used to further illegal purposes.
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On July 10 2013 11:29 Felnarion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:19 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2013 11:17 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 10 2013 11:16 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2013 11:11 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 10 2013 11:10 Felnarion wrote:On July 10 2013 11:05 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2013 10:46 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 10 2013 10:44 Defacer wrote:
You guys must of had a small circle of friends in high school if you think watching porn, smoking weed, or even getting suspended or expelled is in anyway exceptional for a teenager. Oh yeah, I had plenty of "friends" who got expelled/suspended from school, smoked weed, got in fights, couldn't speak English correctly at 17... they were all dirt-bags. And I don't know about the whole gun thing. But considering the amount of gun right activists in this thread that I KNOW have argued tirelessly against additional restrictions or limitations on guns, I just assumed that a teenager eagerly trying to celebrate his gun 'freedoms' would be just another wily whipper-snapper trying to live the American Dream.
And think about it: if Trayvon had a gun that night, it might have saved his life!
I don't think Trayvon is exactly the "responsible gun owner" that we're all talking about... though that's kinda off-topic. Yeah, I honestly don't know gun culture in America well enough to know whether trying to buy a gun underneath the table in high school is 'weird'. I'm sure it's frowned upon, but I assume it happens more often in the states than Canada. We give all children guns by age 14. It would be weird because that kid should already have a gun. Are you high? Of course it's 'weird'. It's illegal. You would be arrested for it. yeah, im going to echo that you sound like an idiot. of course its not okay for minors to purchase guns illegally. So's smoking weed and buying booze in America, but a shit load of teenagers do it. They must all be depraved. (I know it's illegal, I was asking how common it is. Get off your high horse.) Let's put it this way... it's uncommon as shit... if you don't go into a fucking gang infested ghetto school. And hell, even there it's probably pretty uncommon. Thanks, that's all I was asking. The problem is that even having to ask if our children regularly exchange guns is beyond idiotic in the first place.
Wasn't there a mother that collected a small arsenal of guns so she good bond with her distant, twisted sociopathic adolescent son at the firing range? It feels like it was big news last year for some reason ... .
When you look at how the American media depicts guns, and how fervently American politicians (and TL members) defend gun rights, it's difficult to imagine as an outsider how common gun ownership is, or how normal it is for teenagers to have access to guns in America (even in circumstances where it's illegal).
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On July 10 2013 11:44 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Buying a gun "under the table" (I assume literally) inside a high school is not something that happens regularly in America, too much risk why do it at school when you can do it at home after school.
Defacer keep spinnin' dem wheels trying to make Trayvon look like some good kid just made some mistakes all teenagers make mistakes no. Getting in fights is a mistake (or not, sometimes you just gotta throw down in HS), messing around with guns is a sign of a big problem.
We're not talking about redneck kids shooting in the back field or going hunting or rich kids with Republican dads going to the shooting range or out to the woods to have some Fun With Weapons, it's a much different thing for urban 'disadvantaged' youth of any race to be talking about how to get guns because it's almost a certainty that the guns will be obtained illegally and will be used to further illegal purposes.
I'm going to ignore the last paragraph because what you're implying about class and gun ownership is like a whole other thread, but I'll just take your word for it a believe that a 'urban' teenager trying to buy a gun is just a disconcerting in America as it is in Canada.
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Is anyone else beginning to see the parallels between this case and To Kill a Mockingbird?
Let's hope West and O'Mara are better lawyers than Atticus Finch.
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On July 10 2013 11:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Is anyone else beginning to see the parallels between this case and To Kill a Mockingbird?
Let's hope West and O'Mara are better lawyers than Atticus Finch.
Didn't Atticus Finch successfully defend?
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On July 10 2013 12:05 mishimaBeef wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Is anyone else beginning to see the parallels between this case and To Kill a Mockingbird?
Let's hope West and O'Mara are better lawyers than Atticus Finch. Didn't Atticus Finch successfully defend?
no
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On July 10 2013 11:52 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:44 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Buying a gun "under the table" (I assume literally) inside a high school is not something that happens regularly in America, too much risk why do it at school when you can do it at home after school.
Defacer keep spinnin' dem wheels trying to make Trayvon look like some good kid just made some mistakes all teenagers make mistakes no. Getting in fights is a mistake (or not, sometimes you just gotta throw down in HS), messing around with guns is a sign of a big problem.
We're not talking about redneck kids shooting in the back field or going hunting or rich kids with Republican dads going to the shooting range or out to the woods to have some Fun With Weapons, it's a much different thing for urban 'disadvantaged' youth of any race to be talking about how to get guns because it's almost a certainty that the guns will be obtained illegally and will be used to further illegal purposes. I'm going to ignore the last paragraph because what you're implying about class and gun ownership is like a whole other thread, but I'll just take your word for it a believe that a 'urban' teenager trying to buy a gun is just a disconcerting in America as it is in Canada.
Here's the deal.. People in the US are no crazier when it comes to issues blatantly related to kids and safety than they are in Canada. In general people in the US still think kids owning and trading firearms illegally is bad. That being said, firearm availability is very high in the US. Adolescent gun death & injury -- especially related to suicide -- is higher in areas with higher firearm availability. Although it would be perceived just as negatively in the US as it would in Canada, a gun death or injury stemming from higher gun availability -- perhaps involving a weapon obtained from school mates or family -- would be much more common in the US.
I think you're assuming that just because we have a lot more gun violence in the US we must be more okay with it. I think most people aren't any more okay with it than people are okay with it in Canada
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On July 10 2013 12:05 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 12:05 mishimaBeef wrote:On July 10 2013 11:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Is anyone else beginning to see the parallels between this case and To Kill a Mockingbird?
Let's hope West and O'Mara are better lawyers than Atticus Finch. Didn't Atticus Finch successfully defend? no
oh right, been a while since i read it
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On July 10 2013 12:05 mishimaBeef wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 11:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Is anyone else beginning to see the parallels between this case and To Kill a Mockingbird?
Let's hope West and O'Mara are better lawyers than Atticus Finch. Didn't Atticus Finch successfully defend?
No (I had to look it up, couldn't remember either).
That being said I think O'Mara is giving Atticus Finch a run for his money.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57588085-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-judge-to-weigh-possible-prosecutor-sanctions-post-trial/
This is the incident to which West was referring at the end of the night. A state IT director found the additional texts and images, and presented them to the prosecution. Concerned that the evidence would not reach the defense and that he would be implicated, he hired a lawyer at that point. His lawyer reached out to MOM later and confirmed that the evidence had in fact not been handed to the defense. The IT director has since been placed on administrative leave.
This came out in a pre-trial hearing, where the judge decided that sanctions (if any) would be decided post-trial.
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