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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On July 10 2013 10:50 HazMat wrote: So can I admit to a murder on facebook and have it thrown out because it was typed rather than said? :/ if you cant authenticate a message, then yes. if i type on your facebook that you admit to murder and you get throw in prison for it, wouldnt you be the tad bit upset? | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On July 10 2013 10:47 HazMat wrote: I think being expelled from school is a jarring flaw of character, but maybe I just don't have friends. Eh, it depends on what the reason was. I had a friend in high school who was expelled for having an unweighable amount of shake in his glove box. There was such a small amount of weed that it literally did not register on the scale. It was practically belly button lint. Is he irresponsible for smoking weed as a teenager? Sure. Did he deserve to potentially have his life ruined for having such a tiny amount in his car and on his person that it couldn't even be weighed and does it make him a terrible person? I'd say no. | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
On July 10 2013 10:45 HazMat wrote: I think it's bullshit that in today's day and age, where a strong majority of communication is text based - whether that is texting or facebook posts - that someone can just say LOL WE DON'T KNOW WHO TYPED IT. On the other hand people's facebook statuses get hijacked all the time because people leave their computer open to facebook around friends. However, for the purposes of this case you really have to consider the facts: Porn is still present on the phone. (Therefore mom hasn't been using phone cause she would likely delete it/yell at Trayvon) Secondary password protocols to access specific texts and pictures (even more unlikely someone else wrote or deleted those) Phone was found on Martin and long history of texts referring to him specifically. (his phone) I think it's safe that at least the material in the special folders was done by someone with both levels of access which is most likely Trayvon Martin. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
"I ain't done with him, he ain't bled enough for me." text >_< | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On July 10 2013 10:54 dAPhREAk wrote: is anyone having trouble with the live video? its not loading for me it was doing that earlier for me, i just reloaded. on-topic: dude, this judge and the prosecution are proving themselves to be fucking corrupt as shit... this is some bull Holy shit, I can't believe she just did that. This is fucking horrible. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
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HoneyNuts
United States8 Posts
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Felnarion
442 Posts
Password protected pictures on Trayvon's password protected phone that he clearly used for thousands of text messages and hundreds of pictures including selfies of himself... Even if the text says "This is Trayvon, I totally killed a guy today" how do I know his brother didn't just write "This is Trayvon" At what point does this kind of evidence become admissible? Are you required to have someone testify to having physically seen Trayvon type and send the message? Even the person receiving the message wouldn't be good enough, because even they cannot be sure the person on the other end was actually Trayvon... | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On July 10 2013 10:59 Felnarion wrote: So... Password protected pictures on Trayvon's password protected phone that he clearly used for thousands of text messages and hundreds of pictures including selfies of himself... Even if the text says "This is Trayvon, I totally killed a guy today" how do I know his brother didn't just write "This is Trayvon" At what point does this kind of evidence become admissible? Are you required to have someone testify to having physically seen Trayvon type and send the message? Even the person receiving the message wouldn't be good enough, because even they cannot be sure the person on the other end was actually Trayvon... its usually not that difficult. http://www.lawserver.com/law/state/florida/statutes/florida_statutes_90-901 | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
"Knock knock." "Fuck off, Judge." | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On July 10 2013 10:59 Felnarion wrote: So... Password protected pictures on Trayvon's password protected phone that he clearly used for thousands of text messages and hundreds of pictures including selfies of himself... Even if the text says "This is Trayvon, I totally killed a guy today" how do I know his brother didn't just write "This is Trayvon" At what point does this kind of evidence become admissible? Are you required to have someone testify to having physically seen Trayvon type and send the message? Even the person receiving the message wouldn't be good enough, because even they cannot be sure the person on the other end was actually Trayvon... Well they just said that they can prove it by calling to court those who were on the other end of the text and testify they were in fact talking to Trayvon. But if they know the game, apparently they can just say "Nah son, that wasn't me. It was my 7 yr old brother talkin mess like he sum gangsta to Trayvons 7 yr old gangsta brotha" | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
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Felnarion
442 Posts
On July 10 2013 11:02 Dosey wrote: Well they just said that they can prove it by calling to court those who were on the other end of the text and testify they were in fact talking to Trayvon. But if they know the game, apparently they can just say "Nah son, that wasn't me. It was my 7 yr old brother talkin mess like he sum gangsta to Trayvons 7 yr old gangsta brotha" Of course, and even speaking from the same logic the judge used, even the people on the other end can't know if it was or wasn't him. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On July 10 2013 10:46 sc2superfan101 wrote: Oh yeah, I had plenty of "friends" who got expelled/suspended from school, smoked weed, got in fights, couldn't speak English correctly at 17... they were all dirt-bags. I don't think Trayvon is exactly the "responsible gun owner" that we're all talking about... though that's kinda off-topic. Yeah, I honestly don't know gun culture in America well enough to know whether trying to buy a gun underneath the table in high school is 'weird'. I'm sure it's frowned upon, but I assume it happens more often in the states than Canada. | ||
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FatChicksUnited
Canada214 Posts
http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/x/200778/court procedure/Text Messages As Trial Evidence Authentication http://www.lawfficespace.com/2011/09/text-message-email-and-social-media.html West was arguing that the probative value of the texts outweighed the prejudicial risk of allowing them in not authenticated to the usual standard, especially because the difficulties in authentication stem from the delaying tactics of the prosecution. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On July 10 2013 11:03 Krohm wrote: By that judges logic how do we know that Jenteal was actually talking to Trayvon during his encounter with Zimmerman. It could have been anyone using that phone. she testified. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On July 10 2013 11:06 FatChicksUnited wrote: Before you all jump on the judge, the points that she made were in line with what seems to be the common practice: text messages are generally authenticated by the sender or the recipient of the message in live testimony. http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/x/200778/court procedure/Text Messages As Trial Evidence Authentication http://www.lawfficespace.com/2011/09/text-message-email-and-social-media.html West was arguing that the probative value of the texts outweighed the prejudicial risk of allowing them in not completely authenticated, especially because the difficulties in authentication stem from the delaying tactics of the prosecution. The illegal delaying tactics of the prosecution... Yeah... this judge is a PoS. also: the idea that there are no "contextual clues" that clearly identify Trayvon as the sender is so absurd it's not even arguable. | ||
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