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Jin
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Canada439 Posts
September 20 2005 22:28 GMT
#1
Does anyone use Dvorak over Qwerty? I am thinking about switching but I'm just wondering if the supposed advantages are true?
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1INK
Profile Joined November 2004
United States630 Posts
September 20 2005 22:33 GMT
#2
i wouldn't do it unless you type below 50 WPM and want to make yourself not utterly suck

why? dvorak keyboards are a hassle. i suppose the advantage of typing faster are true though.

but remember you can only type as fast as your fingers can move. the goal with dvorak is that the keys you use the most are the closest to your fingers. it really only helps a lot with people that can very quickly move their fingers along a keyboard like without even thinking, because then it becomes second nature and those most common keys are constantly being pressed. if your fingerspeed isn't really good, i don't think it will be that big of a difference, and they are a hassle so i wouldn't do it if i were you ><. i can't imagine having to go to a different configuration because some program or some guy didnt have a dvorak.... imagine how slow you'd be then.
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
September 20 2005 22:41 GMT
#3
does anyone play sc with a dvorak kb? :D
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wasted
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany1789 Posts
September 20 2005 22:53 GMT
#4
if you're sure that you will never have to use a keyboard at a different place, why not. if not it would probably a hassle to be used to a dvorak kb and certainly be forced to use a "normal" one again. on the other hand, maybe it's not so difficult to be used to two different kb layouts, who knows.
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Wuselmops
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany346 Posts
September 20 2005 23:27 GMT
#5
I can imagine that it would be more comfortable than an ordinary "qwer" keyboard, but atm I stick with what I'm used to. I'll try one if there emerges a realistic chance that it will become a widespread standard so that I wouldn't have to bring my own keyboard to a different computer.
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
September 20 2005 23:33 GMT
#6
well it shouldn't be much of a problem to change it via the pc software. so you don't have to change keyboards as long as you don't rely on looking at the keys. T_T
NewbSaibot
Profile Joined May 2004
3849 Posts
September 20 2005 23:52 GMT
#7
while the powers of dvorak are true, its useless to try and switch unless you intend on being a professional secretary for the next 20 years at the same job. There are far too many occasions on which you will need to use a computer at a different location which will not have the dvorak layout or the "drivers" installed to utilize it, and then you'll be screwed. Also, the advantages of dvorak over qwerty are about a 20-30wpm increase in type rate, and less wrist strain. Again, only useful if you type millions of words all day long.
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pheer
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
5390 Posts
September 20 2005 23:52 GMT
#8
3 Minutes ago I didn't know WTF a Dvorak was, but now 4 minutes later google has made me a genius!

Here is what I found, for those of you that are just as confused as I was:

Dvorak Keyboard

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What is it?


The Dvorak keyboard is an alternative typewriter keyboard that was designed to replace the popular QWERTY keyboard.
Inventor August Dvorak developed the Dvorak keyboard by placing letters next to each other that were commonly occurred next to each other in words. The Dvorak keyboard was found to actually increase the accuracy of typists by almost 50 percent and upped their speed by 15-20 percent.

Give me an example!

So why wasn't the Dvorak keyboard instantly adopted as the new standard? Two reasons. First, it was 1930 - the first year of the Great Depression - and people didn't have the money to replace perfectly good typewriters. Second, typists were already familiar with the more clumsy QWERTY keyboards and didn't want to learn a new one.

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deoz
Profile Joined September 2005
United Kingdom41 Posts
September 21 2005 00:05 GMT
#9
i'm gay
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
September 21 2005 00:07 GMT
#10
i've always wanted to learn dvorak just for fun.......

its not really useful to learn though, mostly because of the fact that QWERTY is used basically everywhere, and the advantages of dvorak are slight
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comabreaded
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
United States2166 Posts
September 21 2005 00:27 GMT
#11
i always thought dvorkak was made first and qwerty replaced it cuz ppl were typing too fast and breaking the typewriters. i guess not!
I put the fu in fun
draeger
Profile Joined July 2003
United States3256 Posts
September 21 2005 00:51 GMT
#12
If I ever got that LCD keyboard posted here a while back where you could instantly change your keys to show something else, I'd start trying to learn dvorak in my spare time. Until then, stickies on my keyboard or popping off keys and swapping them just doesn't seem appealing to me.
t.t
1INK
Profile Joined November 2004
United States630 Posts
September 21 2005 01:02 GMT
#13
oh yeah, i remember that thread

that'd be interesting to know both configurations wouldn't it?
LetFly
Profile Joined April 2004
United States34 Posts
September 21 2005 01:13 GMT
#14
Typing with two different keyboards would be similar to learning two different types of scales on a guitar. :p This logic would only apply to guitar players though...
;o
Wuselmops
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany346 Posts
September 21 2005 01:16 GMT
#15
On September 21 2005 09:51 draeger wrote:
If I ever got that LCD keyboard posted here a while back where you could instantly change your keys to show something else, I'd start trying to learn dvorak in my spare time. Until then, stickies on my keyboard or popping off keys and swapping them just doesn't seem appealing to me.


Good point, I hope in future there will be affordable versions of the Optimus Keyboard:

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http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/
Krzych
Profile Joined July 2003
Poland693 Posts
September 21 2005 02:38 GMT
#16
Did Dvorak take into account that in different languages different letters are used more frequently?
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-21 02:54:50
September 21 2005 02:40 GMT
#17
On September 21 2005 11:38 Krzych wrote:
Did Dvorak take into account that in different languages different letters are used more frequently?

Dvorak was designed specifically for use of the English language.
I love wikipedia.

If you can type pretty quickly, I wouldn't suggest switching to a dvorak keyboard. It'll take a while to get used to all the new locations of the keys, and you'll have to relearn the hotkey placement for SC . Also, if you finally get pretty fluent in using the dvorak, you'll have a tough time using keyboards for other computers elsewhere, and the chance of them having a dvorak for use instead of the standard qwerty is almost 0.
The Dvorak keyboard was found to actually increase the accuracy of typists by almost 50 percent and upped their speed by 15-20 percent.

That's true, but according to other tests done, the advantage of Dvorak users were less than 5%. So I guess there's a controversy.
Even though many feel that the principles on which the Dvorak keyboard is based should make it superior to the older QWERTY, there is divergent evidence about whether the logic of the keyboard actually translates into faster typing. Although studies performed by Dvorak and his disciples indicate a large advantage in typing speed (40%), other studies performed for the US General Services Administration and independent ergonomics investigations indicate either a small or nonexistent advantage (less than 5%).


Edit - screwed up my quotes
draeger
Profile Joined July 2003
United States3256 Posts
September 21 2005 02:50 GMT
#18
On September 21 2005 11:40 ieatkids5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2005 11:38 Krzych wrote:
Did Dvorak take into account that in different languages different letters are used more frequently?

Dvorak was designed specifically for use of the English language.
I love wikipedia.

If you can type pretty quickly, I wouldn't suggest switching to a dvorak keyboard. It'll take a while to get used to all the new locations of the keys, and you'll have to relearn the hotkey placement for SC . Also, if you finally get pretty fluent in using the dvorak, you'll have a tough time using keyboards for other computers elsewhere, and the chance of them having a dvorak for use instead of the standard qwerty is almost 0.


What I've heard from people who use Dvorak on a regular basis is that switching back to qwerty style is not very difficult. As long as you are in the mentality that you are on a different layout, you should be ok. It's like learning a second language. You don't forget your first no matter how long you are away from it. Also, when you get into the professional world you have generally two computers you are going to use: Your home computer and your work computer. Both of which can be customized how you like as long as 1) You're an IT person or 2) You know the IT person. The truth is, though, you aren't going to find your standard businesman using dvorak to type. However if one of our secretaries came to me and said that she wanted to change her keyboard layout, I'd log her in the administrator account and let her do it.

Besides your work and home computer, I really don't know too many other keyboards you're going to be using. Yes you'll occasionally be on a friend's computer and sometimes you might be doing a search at Border's or the Library but beyond that, it's very minimal.
t.t
Krzych
Profile Joined July 2003
Poland693 Posts
September 21 2005 03:04 GMT
#19
If you're some kind of servers guru guy you will have to deal with lots of different computers in banks, ISPs and many places I can't think of now. And I'm pretty sure you would look stupid if you took your Dvorak keyboard everywhere with you.
But if, on the other hand, you work in an office or something, you should be able to choose a keyboard that suits you.
I type with a rate up to 10-11 characters per second and I guess switching to Dvorak wouldn't give me any benefits, since I seem to be limited more by my brain than the speed of my fingers.
ColdSoup
Profile Joined February 2005
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-21 03:13:58
September 21 2005 03:12 GMT
#20
On September 21 2005 10:16 Wuselmops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2005 09:51 draeger wrote:
If I ever got that LCD keyboard posted here a while back where you could instantly change your keys to show something else, I'd start trying to learn dvorak in my spare time. Until then, stickies on my keyboard or popping off keys and swapping them just doesn't seem appealing to me.


Good point, I hope in future there will be affordable versions of the Optimus Keyboard:

[image loading]


http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/

Jesus that thing looks like a dman 2X4 I wanna just smack someone in the face with that thing.
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