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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8819 Posts
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sc-darkness
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Hasn't Germany banned guns like the UK? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11774 Posts
Secondly, if you want to make a point, make that point instead of doing this shit. | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11774 Posts
Where you obviously want to say something along the lines of "see, gun control doesn't work, people also get shot in Germany", but realize how stupid that statement is, so you do this shit instead, and if someone answers, you can easily evade into "Oh, but that wasn't what i wanted to say at all!" And if no one answers, you feel justified and think that you won the debate or whatever. | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Also, what's your point sc-darkness? | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23716 Posts
On June 04 2018 03:30 sc-darkness wrote: Never heard of someone being shot in the UK in the last few years. I already said what I meant. Reading comprehension is a nice thing to have though. You do know about google right? What you meant was clearly ignorant. | ||
KwarK
United States43677 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On June 04 2018 03:30 sc-darkness wrote: Never heard of someone being shot in the UK in the last few years. I already said what I meant. Reading comprehension is a nice thing to have though. just because you don't hear of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. you shouldn't assume things like that. there's still a few illegal guns around; as well as a few misused legal ones. looking at https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2016/homicide indicates 26 shooting deaths that year; with similar or slightly higher numbers in other years. it's likely that germany has a similar number a year as well. and you shouldn't complain about people's reading comprehension when they had a very understandable and reasonable viewpoint. | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On June 04 2018 03:39 GreenHorizons wrote: You do know about google right? What you meant was clearly ignorant. Coming from an American about gun control? That's rich. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
It really sounds like everyone agrees with that. + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2018 04:14 zlefin wrote: just because you don't hear of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. you shouldn't assume things like that. there's still a few illegal guns around; as well as a few misused legal ones. looking at https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2016/homicide indicates 26 shooting deaths that year; with similar or slightly higher numbers in other years. it's likely that germany has a similar number a year as well. and you shouldn't complain about people's reading comprehension when they had a very understandable and reasonable viewpoint. It sounds like around 26 shootings per year is a wet dream for my country... A fantasy, a unicorn ffs. We get half that in one school shooting here, and the difference between our country and UK? Not the amount of mentally ill people, not the amount of mental health counseling available... not access to knives or cars... *It's the gun laws. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/06/03/fbi-agent-accidentally.cnn You're only saying that because you weren't the guy who got shot in the leg because of this shit. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
Lack of a decent minimum wage. Poverty Poor Schooling Poor Parents Guns are too easily available illegally and legally Thug/gangster culture The need to have a gun because others do Lack of easily accessible and affordable health care. Lack of real solid school counselors. And to attempt to change most of all of this would affect bottom lines of the government, schools, television channels, pay for psychiatrists and counselors. There would have to be a massive movement to change the culture we have here. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On June 04 2018 07:49 NoobSkills wrote: We lack in so much that we dont realize. There are so many things that could improve this all. Lack of a decent minimum wage. Poverty Poor Schooling Poor Parents Guns are too easily available illegally and legally Thug/gangster culture The need to have a gun because others do Lack of easily accessible and affordable health care. Lack of real solid school counselors. And to attempt to change most of all of this would affect bottom lines of the government, schools, television channels, pay for psychiatrists and counselors. There would have to be a massive movement to change the culture we have here. I totally agree with all you said. And... things do change, just look at marriage equality and the civil rights movement. That doesn't mean there isn't more room for growth in all those areas, but there has been massive change. If there is such a thing as a civic duty (real patriotism, not just painting an eagle on your car or being forced to stand for an anthem), then causes that encourage healthy change in the areas you listed are what that civic duty is about. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8819 Posts
On June 04 2018 07:49 NoobSkills wrote: We lack in so much that we dont realize. There are so many things that could improve this all. Lack of a decent minimum wage. Poverty Poor Schooling Poor Parents Guns are too easily available illegally and legally Thug/gangster culture The need to have a gun because others do Lack of easily accessible and affordable health care. Lack of real solid school counselors. And to attempt to change most of all of this would affect bottom lines of the government, schools, television channels, pay for psychiatrists and counselors. There would have to be a massive movement to change the culture we have here. this is a problem i think thats becoming more prevalent in modern politics. i wasnt around 30 years ago so i cant say with certainty, but nowadays the general public is so "informed" (quotation marks because theres plenty of false information/ignorance also), that it takes so much more effort from politicians to make changes. a massive issue with australia is how shit our immigration/employment and taxation laws are. back in the days of john howard and paper media, he could introduce a goods and services tax and a full ban on guns and the country has no choice but to go along with it. nowadays, politicians basically need public approval before they even start debating in the senate which is why nothing gets anywhere. cant do shit when the public is dumb af and divided due to easily accessed information and the country has to keep democracy alive. to top it off our politicians are dumb af too. too easily swayed by public opinion and generally ignorant | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On June 04 2018 11:59 ShambhalaWar wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2018 07:49 NoobSkills wrote: We lack in so much that we dont realize. There are so many things that could improve this all. Lack of a decent minimum wage. Poverty Poor Schooling Poor Parents Guns are too easily available illegally and legally Thug/gangster culture The need to have a gun because others do Lack of easily accessible and affordable health care. Lack of real solid school counselors. And to attempt to change most of all of this would affect bottom lines of the government, schools, television channels, pay for psychiatrists and counselors. There would have to be a massive movement to change the culture we have here. I totally agree with all you said. And... things do change, just look at marriage equality and the civil rights movement. That doesn't mean there isn't more room for growth in all those areas, but there has been massive change. If there is such a thing as a civic duty (real patriotism, not just painting an eagle on your car or being forced to stand for an anthem), then causes that encourage healthy change in the areas you listed are what that civic duty is about. The thing is there are too many things working against us. Our only grasp on being a world leader is the size of our military. Marriage isn't equal still. We worry about who uses which toilet. Civil rights was excellent, but it was at a time where people had good schooling, came from hard working families and weren't so absorbed with bullshit media, facebook ect. In my opinion our culture has and is still declining, and I don't really see that changing. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On June 04 2018 13:37 evilfatsh1t wrote: this is a problem i think thats becoming more prevalent in modern politics. i wasnt around 30 years ago so i cant say with certainty, but nowadays the general public is so "informed" (quotation marks because theres plenty of false information/ignorance also), that it takes so much more effort from politicians to make changes. a massive issue with australia is how shit our immigration/employment and taxation laws are. back in the days of john howard and paper media, he could introduce a goods and services tax and a full ban on guns and the country has no choice but to go along with it. nowadays, politicians basically need public approval before they even start debating in the senate which is why nothing gets anywhere. cant do shit when the public is dumb af and divided due to easily accessed information and the country has to keep democracy alive. to top it off our politicians are dumb af too. too easily swayed by public opinion and generally ignorant Our politicians have to play "the game" before they even get into office, it would be very difficult to be elected otherwise with some exceptions usually money. Then once they're in they have to worry about reelection, who controls how much of their office, making good on their backdoor promises. Also, the top long term dogs in govt, keep the "masses or idiots" worried about some trivial thing like gay marriage, so they dont have time to focus on real issues. | ||
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