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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 03 2018 06:23 GMT
#14741
What's the best solution to US mass schooting problem?

Poll: What's the best solution to US mass schooting problem?

Others (8)
 
47%

Total gun control (5)
 
29%

Partial gun control (4)
 
24%

17 total votes

Your vote: What's the best solution to US mass schooting problem?

(Vote): Total gun control
(Vote): Partial gun control
(Vote): Others

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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8690 Posts
June 03 2018 06:45 GMT
#14742
what do those 3 options even mean. your options require clarification
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-03 15:50:26
June 03 2018 15:49 GMT
#14743


Hasn't Germany banned guns like the UK?
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11552 Posts
June 03 2018 16:00 GMT
#14744
No, guns are not "banned" in Germany.

Secondly, if you want to make a point, make that point instead of doing this shit.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-03 16:21:08
June 03 2018 16:20 GMT
#14745
What shit? You seem angry, go chill.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11552 Posts
June 03 2018 17:48 GMT
#14746
The cute "Oh, someone was shot in Germany, but guns are banned there! However could that happen, how curious..:" stuff.

Where you obviously want to say something along the lines of "see, gun control doesn't work, people also get shot in Germany", but realize how stupid that statement is, so you do this shit instead, and if someone answers, you can easily evade into "Oh, but that wasn't what i wanted to say at all!"

And if no one answers, you feel justified and think that you won the debate or whatever.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-03 18:11:58
June 03 2018 18:09 GMT
#14747
No, my post is quite direct. I asked if you're banning guns like the UK does. If not, then the follow-up question is why not. It works quite well for the UK. Feel free to overreact though.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-03 18:29:13
June 03 2018 18:25 GMT
#14748
Guns are not banned in the UK. They are controlled i.e. they are licensed. Every now and then, someone does get shot, or used in crime, though usually replica or unloaded.

Also, what's your point sc-darkness?
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-03 18:31:22
June 03 2018 18:30 GMT
#14749
Never heard of someone being shot in the UK in the last few years. I already said what I meant. Reading comprehension is a nice thing to have though.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23293 Posts
June 03 2018 18:39 GMT
#14750
On June 04 2018 03:30 sc-darkness wrote:
Never heard of someone being shot in the UK in the last few years. I already said what I meant. Reading comprehension is a nice thing to have though.


You do know about google right?

What you meant was clearly ignorant.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42957 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-03 18:53:30
June 03 2018 18:39 GMT
#14751
There was a case a few years ago (actually it was in the Blair years, I'm getting old) where some teenagers kept breaking into a farm and stealing shit. One night the farmer caught them, grabbed his shotgun, and shot one of them in the back as they ran away. It was a pretty sad case that was massively misrepresented by Americans at the time. He was licensed a shotgun for farm use, killing foxes and the like, not for home defence. Also he shot the teenager in the back as he was running away, there was no direct threat. But at the same time the police had been completely useless in helping stop the series of thefts, it was only by taking matters into his own hands that he could do anything about it.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-03 19:14:43
June 03 2018 19:14 GMT
#14752
On June 04 2018 03:30 sc-darkness wrote:
Never heard of someone being shot in the UK in the last few years. I already said what I meant. Reading comprehension is a nice thing to have though.

just because you don't hear of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. you shouldn't assume things like that. there's still a few illegal guns around; as well as a few misused legal ones.
looking at https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2016/homicide
indicates 26 shooting deaths that year; with similar or slightly higher numbers in other years.
it's likely that germany has a similar number a year as well.

and you shouldn't complain about people's reading comprehension when they had a very understandable and reasonable viewpoint.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
June 03 2018 19:15 GMT
#14753
On June 04 2018 03:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2018 03:30 sc-darkness wrote:
Never heard of someone being shot in the UK in the last few years. I already said what I meant. Reading comprehension is a nice thing to have though.


You do know about google right?

What you meant was clearly ignorant.


Coming from an American about gun control? That's rich.

User was temp banned for this post.
ShambhalaWar
Profile Joined August 2013
United States930 Posts
June 03 2018 22:26 GMT
#14754
Can't we all just agree what's happening in America is crazy and stupid as all hell?

It really sounds like everyone agrees with that.

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2018 04:14 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2018 03:30 sc-darkness wrote:
Never heard of someone being shot in the UK in the last few years. I already said what I meant. Reading comprehension is a nice thing to have though.

just because you don't hear of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. you shouldn't assume things like that. there's still a few illegal guns around; as well as a few misused legal ones.
looking at https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2016/homicide
indicates 26 shooting deaths that year; with similar or slightly higher numbers in other years.
it's likely that germany has a similar number a year as well.

and you shouldn't complain about people's reading comprehension when they had a very understandable and reasonable viewpoint.


It sounds like around 26 shootings per year is a wet dream for my country... A fantasy, a unicorn ffs.

We get half that in one school shooting here, and the difference between our country and UK? Not the amount of mentally ill people, not the amount of mental health counseling available... not access to knives or cars...

*It's the gun laws.
ShambhalaWar
Profile Joined August 2013
United States930 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-03 22:31:51
June 03 2018 22:30 GMT
#14755
Just another one for all the slick NRA pro's out there... why guns are soooooo great.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/06/03/fbi-agent-accidentally.cnn

You're only saying that because you weren't the guy who got shot in the leg because of this shit.
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1599 Posts
June 03 2018 22:49 GMT
#14756
We lack in so much that we dont realize. There are so many things that could improve this all.
Lack of a decent minimum wage.
Poverty
Poor Schooling
Poor Parents
Guns are too easily available illegally and legally
Thug/gangster culture
The need to have a gun because others do
Lack of easily accessible and affordable health care.
Lack of real solid school counselors.

And to attempt to change most of all of this would affect bottom lines of the government, schools, television channels, pay for psychiatrists and counselors. There would have to be a massive movement to change the culture we have here.
ShambhalaWar
Profile Joined August 2013
United States930 Posts
June 04 2018 02:59 GMT
#14757
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2018 07:49 NoobSkills wrote:
We lack in so much that we dont realize. There are so many things that could improve this all.
Lack of a decent minimum wage.
Poverty
Poor Schooling
Poor Parents
Guns are too easily available illegally and legally
Thug/gangster culture
The need to have a gun because others do
Lack of easily accessible and affordable health care.
Lack of real solid school counselors.

And to attempt to change most of all of this would affect bottom lines of the government, schools, television channels, pay for psychiatrists and counselors. There would have to be a massive movement to change the culture we have here.




I totally agree with all you said. And... things do change, just look at marriage equality and the civil rights movement. That doesn't mean there isn't more room for growth in all those areas, but there has been massive change. If there is such a thing as a civic duty (real patriotism, not just painting an eagle on your car or being forced to stand for an anthem), then causes that encourage healthy change in the areas you listed are what that civic duty is about.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8690 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-04 04:42:51
June 04 2018 04:37 GMT
#14758
On June 04 2018 07:49 NoobSkills wrote:
We lack in so much that we dont realize. There are so many things that could improve this all.
Lack of a decent minimum wage.
Poverty
Poor Schooling
Poor Parents
Guns are too easily available illegally and legally
Thug/gangster culture
The need to have a gun because others do
Lack of easily accessible and affordable health care.
Lack of real solid school counselors.

And to attempt to change most of all of this would affect bottom lines of the government, schools, television channels, pay for psychiatrists and counselors. There would have to be a massive movement to change the culture we have here.

this is a problem i think thats becoming more prevalent in modern politics. i wasnt around 30 years ago so i cant say with certainty, but nowadays the general public is so "informed" (quotation marks because theres plenty of false information/ignorance also), that it takes so much more effort from politicians to make changes.
a massive issue with australia is how shit our immigration/employment and taxation laws are. back in the days of john howard and paper media, he could introduce a goods and services tax and a full ban on guns and the country has no choice but to go along with it. nowadays, politicians basically need public approval before they even start debating in the senate which is why nothing gets anywhere. cant do shit when the public is dumb af and divided due to easily accessed information and the country has to keep democracy alive.
to top it off our politicians are dumb af too. too easily swayed by public opinion and generally ignorant
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1599 Posts
June 04 2018 07:48 GMT
#14759
On June 04 2018 11:59 ShambhalaWar wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2018 07:49 NoobSkills wrote:
We lack in so much that we dont realize. There are so many things that could improve this all.
Lack of a decent minimum wage.
Poverty
Poor Schooling
Poor Parents
Guns are too easily available illegally and legally
Thug/gangster culture
The need to have a gun because others do
Lack of easily accessible and affordable health care.
Lack of real solid school counselors.

And to attempt to change most of all of this would affect bottom lines of the government, schools, television channels, pay for psychiatrists and counselors. There would have to be a massive movement to change the culture we have here.




I totally agree with all you said. And... things do change, just look at marriage equality and the civil rights movement. That doesn't mean there isn't more room for growth in all those areas, but there has been massive change. If there is such a thing as a civic duty (real patriotism, not just painting an eagle on your car or being forced to stand for an anthem), then causes that encourage healthy change in the areas you listed are what that civic duty is about.


The thing is there are too many things working against us. Our only grasp on being a world leader is the size of our military. Marriage isn't equal still. We worry about who uses which toilet. Civil rights was excellent, but it was at a time where people had good schooling, came from hard working families and weren't so absorbed with bullshit media, facebook ect. In my opinion our culture has and is still declining, and I don't really see that changing.
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1599 Posts
June 04 2018 07:52 GMT
#14760
On June 04 2018 13:37 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2018 07:49 NoobSkills wrote:
We lack in so much that we dont realize. There are so many things that could improve this all.
Lack of a decent minimum wage.
Poverty
Poor Schooling
Poor Parents
Guns are too easily available illegally and legally
Thug/gangster culture
The need to have a gun because others do
Lack of easily accessible and affordable health care.
Lack of real solid school counselors.

And to attempt to change most of all of this would affect bottom lines of the government, schools, television channels, pay for psychiatrists and counselors. There would have to be a massive movement to change the culture we have here.

this is a problem i think thats becoming more prevalent in modern politics. i wasnt around 30 years ago so i cant say with certainty, but nowadays the general public is so "informed" (quotation marks because theres plenty of false information/ignorance also), that it takes so much more effort from politicians to make changes.
a massive issue with australia is how shit our immigration/employment and taxation laws are. back in the days of john howard and paper media, he could introduce a goods and services tax and a full ban on guns and the country has no choice but to go along with it. nowadays, politicians basically need public approval before they even start debating in the senate which is why nothing gets anywhere. cant do shit when the public is dumb af and divided due to easily accessed information and the country has to keep democracy alive.
to top it off our politicians are dumb af too. too easily swayed by public opinion and generally ignorant


Our politicians have to play "the game" before they even get into office, it would be very difficult to be elected otherwise with some exceptions usually money. Then once they're in they have to worry about reelection, who controls how much of their office, making good on their backdoor promises. Also, the top long term dogs in govt, keep the "masses or idiots" worried about some trivial thing like gay marriage, so they dont have time to focus on real issues.
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