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On May 30 2018 00:19 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2018 00:12 Velr wrote:
Guns do nothing for your savety but strenghten your ego. This is literally everything there is to the discussion. Show nested quote +On May 30 2018 00:17 Plansix wrote:On May 30 2018 00:12 Velr wrote:On May 29 2018 23:57 Plansix wrote:
And much of the US is rural with few police. My home town had 2 part time cops. And depending on what part of the country you live in, there are some gnarly wild animals too. Owning a fire arm for those purposes is perfectly reasonable. I just googled for the actually deadliest animals in the US. Basically: Cows, Horses, Dogs, Various Insects/Spiders... The first animal that shows up and you would reasonably use a gun against are Crocodiles/Alligators. Keep in mind that actual fatalities are extremly rare. Guns do nothing for your savety but strenghten your ego. My guy, I’ve dealt with some gnarly raccoons that made me seriously considering getting a .22 to deal with them. Wild animals can do a lot of damage that you will totally live through. And I live in the less wild part of the US where you won’t encounter things lie moose. Mate, I feel already bad for quoting you, since you seem to represent the more reasonable US-citizen on this issue, but you still don't get how you're using fake arguments provided by the likes of NRA and such to justify the absurd fascination the US has with guns. You consider getting a gun, because of raccoons. I can't wrap my head around shit like this. Nature isn't made for you to conquer it, you're supposed to live along with it. So get the fuck out of natural habitats of animals, especially during mating season, keep to your natural habitat, problem solved. Shooting a fucking raccoon, what the fuck. I just googled "raccoon threat" and the first site that showed up is this http://getraccoonsout.com/are-raccoons-dangerous/Even these people, who don't want you to mistake them for animal lovers seeing the title of the website, come to the conclusion, the best way to avoid trouble with raccoons is using your fucking head instead of a gun. Which, by the way, could and should be applied to any situation revolving around gun usage.
I am talking about dealing with raccoons on my fucking trash barrels, fucking them up and opening my trash. I can go out and deal with them in a broom. I’ve done that. But when that happens, I am acutely aware it could go badly at any moment. The real solution was to get a BB gun and shoot them with that.
And before someone says “move the trash barrels” short of keeping them inside the house, that would only have lead to raccoons destroying my screened in deck or occupying my shed. They will not be denied.
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On May 29 2018 23:36 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
But the resolution is quite simple: Restrict gun-ownership until the point the problem goes away or you can't restrict anymore. The US has a unique problem and while there are children getting murdered on a daily basis by loonies, their politicians are too toothless or just straight up too corrupt to go for a real change.
There is no reason to defend your home with a gun at any point. Your home is an object, you can repair or entirely rebuild it. Your insurance is gonna get you a new TV with a few more inches than the one that got robbed, literally everything can be replaced BUT the massive EGO that seems to live within almost every American I've ever encountered, be it online or offline.
So, short-term solution: Impose restrictions on gun-ownership which make it such a hassle to legally obtain one, pretty much everyone but the people who require a gun for professional usage are not gonna go for it.
Long-term solution: Increase basic education (absolutely horrible in the US) and get rid of those big egos.
Easy.
most problems are easy if you ignore the hard parts:
the actual politics of getting it implemented.
people being stupid and having tons of irrational beliefs/behaviors (which are then expressed via the democratic process)
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On May 30 2018 00:52 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2018 00:19 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On May 30 2018 00:12 Velr wrote:
Guns do nothing for your savety but strenghten your ego. This is literally everything there is to the discussion. On May 30 2018 00:17 Plansix wrote:On May 30 2018 00:12 Velr wrote:On May 29 2018 23:57 Plansix wrote:
And much of the US is rural with few police. My home town had 2 part time cops. And depending on what part of the country you live in, there are some gnarly wild animals too. Owning a fire arm for those purposes is perfectly reasonable. I just googled for the actually deadliest animals in the US. Basically: Cows, Horses, Dogs, Various Insects/Spiders... The first animal that shows up and you would reasonably use a gun against are Crocodiles/Alligators. Keep in mind that actual fatalities are extremly rare. Guns do nothing for your savety but strenghten your ego. My guy, I’ve dealt with some gnarly raccoons that made me seriously considering getting a .22 to deal with them. Wild animals can do a lot of damage that you will totally live through. And I live in the less wild part of the US where you won’t encounter things lie moose. Mate, I feel already bad for quoting you, since you seem to represent the more reasonable US-citizen on this issue, but you still don't get how you're using fake arguments provided by the likes of NRA and such to justify the absurd fascination the US has with guns. You consider getting a gun, because of raccoons. I can't wrap my head around shit like this. Nature isn't made for you to conquer it, you're supposed to live along with it. So get the fuck out of natural habitats of animals, especially during mating season, keep to your natural habitat, problem solved. Shooting a fucking raccoon, what the fuck. I just googled "raccoon threat" and the first site that showed up is this http://getraccoonsout.com/are-raccoons-dangerous/Even these people, who don't want you to mistake them for animal lovers seeing the title of the website, come to the conclusion, the best way to avoid trouble with raccoons is using your fucking head instead of a gun. Which, by the way, could and should be applied to any situation revolving around gun usage. I am talking about dealing with raccoons on my fucking trash barrels, fucking them up and opening my trash. I can go out and deal with them in a broom. I’ve done that. But when that happens, I am acutely aware it could go badly at any moment. The real solution was to get a BB gun and shoot them with that. And before someone says “move the trash barrels” short of keeping them inside the house, that would only have lead to raccoons destroying my screened in deck or occupying my shed. They will not be denied.
What in the world could go badly? Are you a midget? Otherwise I can't see how an animal that barely gets bigger than a housecat could threaten you to a point where the acquisition of a gun is the only way out. You're just trying to derail from the point, which is the question "why would you need a gun?". You still don't.
On May 30 2018 01:02 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 23:36 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
But the resolution is quite simple: Restrict gun-ownership until the point the problem goes away or you can't restrict anymore. The US has a unique problem and while there are children getting murdered on a daily basis by loonies, their politicians are too toothless or just straight up too corrupt to go for a real change.
There is no reason to defend your home with a gun at any point. Your home is an object, you can repair or entirely rebuild it. Your insurance is gonna get you a new TV with a few more inches than the one that got robbed, literally everything can be replaced BUT the massive EGO that seems to live within almost every American I've ever encountered, be it online or offline.
So, short-term solution: Impose restrictions on gun-ownership which make it such a hassle to legally obtain one, pretty much everyone but the people who require a gun for professional usage are not gonna go for it.
Long-term solution: Increase basic education (absolutely horrible in the US) and get rid of those big egos.
Easy. most problems are easy if you ignore the hard parts: the actual politics of getting it implemented. people being stupid and having tons of irrational beliefs/behaviors (which are then expressed via the democratic process)
I never anywhere said implementation would be easy. I just said solving the problem (deaths inflicted by guns) requires not much thinking and therefore it is easy to think of it. In this thread, people always act like it'd take magic to resolve this issue and not like pretty much every other western state has proven, it only takes the will of both politics and populace and some common sense. So there's your hard part: politicians actually implementing the will of the public into law. Now, is it really the will of the public to give up (unnecessary) freedoms in exchange for (very necessary apparently) greater safety? Sadly, it seems like a large part of the American populace doesn't want to make that trade and this is your true hard part, which I mentioned a thousand times in this thread alone and in the very post you quoted: Get rid of your big egos, get rid of your wild west mentality, get rid of thinking that encourages heroism, be civilized. Seems to be the hardest part about this issue, to me at least.
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The solution for the Racoon problem is keeping your trash inside until the morning of collection day or have it in closed containers... Also keeps your cities and villages nice and clean.
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On May 30 2018 01:03 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2018 00:52 Plansix wrote:On May 30 2018 00:19 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On May 30 2018 00:12 Velr wrote:
Guns do nothing for your savety but strenghten your ego. This is literally everything there is to the discussion. On May 30 2018 00:17 Plansix wrote:On May 30 2018 00:12 Velr wrote:On May 29 2018 23:57 Plansix wrote:
And much of the US is rural with few police. My home town had 2 part time cops. And depending on what part of the country you live in, there are some gnarly wild animals too. Owning a fire arm for those purposes is perfectly reasonable. I just googled for the actually deadliest animals in the US. Basically: Cows, Horses, Dogs, Various Insects/Spiders... The first animal that shows up and you would reasonably use a gun against are Crocodiles/Alligators. Keep in mind that actual fatalities are extremly rare. Guns do nothing for your savety but strenghten your ego. My guy, I’ve dealt with some gnarly raccoons that made me seriously considering getting a .22 to deal with them. Wild animals can do a lot of damage that you will totally live through. And I live in the less wild part of the US where you won’t encounter things lie moose. Mate, I feel already bad for quoting you, since you seem to represent the more reasonable US-citizen on this issue, but you still don't get how you're using fake arguments provided by the likes of NRA and such to justify the absurd fascination the US has with guns. You consider getting a gun, because of raccoons. I can't wrap my head around shit like this. Nature isn't made for you to conquer it, you're supposed to live along with it. So get the fuck out of natural habitats of animals, especially during mating season, keep to your natural habitat, problem solved. Shooting a fucking raccoon, what the fuck. I just googled "raccoon threat" and the first site that showed up is this http://getraccoonsout.com/are-raccoons-dangerous/Even these people, who don't want you to mistake them for animal lovers seeing the title of the website, come to the conclusion, the best way to avoid trouble with raccoons is using your fucking head instead of a gun. Which, by the way, could and should be applied to any situation revolving around gun usage. I am talking about dealing with raccoons on my fucking trash barrels, fucking them up and opening my trash. I can go out and deal with them in a broom. I’ve done that. But when that happens, I am acutely aware it could go badly at any moment. The real solution was to get a BB gun and shoot them with that. And before someone says “move the trash barrels” short of keeping them inside the house, that would only have lead to raccoons destroying my screened in deck or occupying my shed. They will not be denied. What in the world could go badly? Are you a midget? Otherwise I can't see how an animal that barely gets bigger than a housecat could threaten you to a point where the acquisition of a gun is the only way out. You're just trying to derail from the point, which is the question "why would you need a gun?". You still don't.
I get bit/scratched up by a wild raccoon? Then I need to go to the hospital because it’s a wild animal?
And why does anyone in Switzerland need a gun? Why do people in Germany need guns?
On May 30 2018 01:08 Velr wrote:
The solution for the Racoon problem is keeping your trash inside until the morning of collection day or have it in closed containers... Also keeps your cities and villages nice and clean.
The containers are closed. The raccoons ruin them trying to open the containers. And I found the solution, which was shooting them with a BB gun until they went away to find less dangerous trash cans.
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Your racoons can open/destroy closed metal containers?
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On May 30 2018 01:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2018 01:03 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On May 30 2018 00:52 Plansix wrote:On May 30 2018 00:19 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On May 30 2018 00:12 Velr wrote:
Guns do nothing for your savety but strenghten your ego. This is literally everything there is to the discussion. On May 30 2018 00:17 Plansix wrote:On May 30 2018 00:12 Velr wrote:On May 29 2018 23:57 Plansix wrote:
And much of the US is rural with few police. My home town had 2 part time cops. And depending on what part of the country you live in, there are some gnarly wild animals too. Owning a fire arm for those purposes is perfectly reasonable. I just googled for the actually deadliest animals in the US. Basically: Cows, Horses, Dogs, Various Insects/Spiders... The first animal that shows up and you would reasonably use a gun against are Crocodiles/Alligators. Keep in mind that actual fatalities are extremly rare. Guns do nothing for your savety but strenghten your ego. My guy, I’ve dealt with some gnarly raccoons that made me seriously considering getting a .22 to deal with them. Wild animals can do a lot of damage that you will totally live through. And I live in the less wild part of the US where you won’t encounter things lie moose. Mate, I feel already bad for quoting you, since you seem to represent the more reasonable US-citizen on this issue, but you still don't get how you're using fake arguments provided by the likes of NRA and such to justify the absurd fascination the US has with guns. You consider getting a gun, because of raccoons. I can't wrap my head around shit like this. Nature isn't made for you to conquer it, you're supposed to live along with it. So get the fuck out of natural habitats of animals, especially during mating season, keep to your natural habitat, problem solved. Shooting a fucking raccoon, what the fuck. I just googled "raccoon threat" and the first site that showed up is this http://getraccoonsout.com/are-raccoons-dangerous/Even these people, who don't want you to mistake them for animal lovers seeing the title of the website, come to the conclusion, the best way to avoid trouble with raccoons is using your fucking head instead of a gun. Which, by the way, could and should be applied to any situation revolving around gun usage. I am talking about dealing with raccoons on my fucking trash barrels, fucking them up and opening my trash. I can go out and deal with them in a broom. I’ve done that. But when that happens, I am acutely aware it could go badly at any moment. The real solution was to get a BB gun and shoot them with that. And before someone says “move the trash barrels” short of keeping them inside the house, that would only have lead to raccoons destroying my screened in deck or occupying my shed. They will not be denied. What in the world could go badly? Are you a midget? Otherwise I can't see how an animal that barely gets bigger than a housecat could threaten you to a point where the acquisition of a gun is the only way out. You're just trying to derail from the point, which is the question "why would you need a gun?". You still don't. I get bit/scratched up by a wild raccoon? Then I need to go to the hospital because it’s a wild animal? And why does anyone in Switzerland need a gun? Why do people in Germany need guns?
Armed forces need guns, it is right there in their name. Hunters need guns. There are professions which entail valid reasons for having a gun. Nobody argues against that, anywhere in the world. Since you had two, allow me to throw back a dumb question at you: Why Americans always try to paint the rest of the world as tree-hugging hippies when they run out of arguments?
Yes, you need to go to a hospital after you crashed your car, burnt your house, cut yourself, had a fight and so on. Getting hurt involves that, getting hurt by a wild animal involves getting a check-up for infections. This is called civic responsibility, so you, your loved ones and your neighbours won't get sick because you had to fight some raccoons again. But you rather want to own a tool that is designed for killing any living thing it can penetrate, so you don't get dirty living in the wilds? Man please, use some logic, you're almost offensively acting dumb on this.
I almost forgot to point out how quickly you went from generally defending gun-ownership to making it a case about raccoons and a BB gun. Where in this thread can you find people arguing for a ban on BB guns? Waste of fucking time, thanks bro.
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^ Please calm down. You asked him a question, he gave you a reasonable answer. No one wants to get bitten by a raccoon and no one wants their property destroyed either. Whether a BB gun is a good idea or not is something that can be speculated on, however, someone giving you an answer that you don't like doesn't mean you are free to start becoming aggressive towards them with your posting. Discussion only happens when both sides are civil after all.
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On May 30 2018 01:17 Velr wrote:
Your racoons can open/destroy closed metal containers?
Raccoons can destroy anything. They destroyed an empty plastic gas can that a left out overnight because they felt like it. Legit, one of my greatest fear as a home owner is a raccoon making a nest in the our crawl space. Hence why I considered buying a .22 to deal with them, but decided against it because my neighbor's homes are to close. I wanted to get a high powered slight shot because I thought it would be more fun, but those are illegal to purchase in my state(apparently they are often used to destroy windows and street lights).
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Surely a Super Soaker would do the trick
You could even go for explosives and get some water balloons. That AOE damage shreds raccoons.
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I actually think many swiss people would use poison before a gun for such a problem. A much worse solution but the gun culture is just so diffrent. The average swiss person that isn't a hunter just doesn't tend to think about using a gun to solve such problems.
Am I a fan of swiss gun laws? Not really but there are so few incidents that it just doesn't feel like a problem we need to adress atm. As it probably is in more rural areas of the US (Switzerland isn't rural outside the Alps at all btw., population density is rather high in general).
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On May 30 2018 01:03 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2018 00:52 Plansix wrote:On May 30 2018 00:19 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On May 30 2018 00:12 Velr wrote:
Guns do nothing for your savety but strenghten your ego. This is literally everything there is to the discussion. On May 30 2018 00:17 Plansix wrote:On May 30 2018 00:12 Velr wrote:On May 29 2018 23:57 Plansix wrote:
And much of the US is rural with few police. My home town had 2 part time cops. And depending on what part of the country you live in, there are some gnarly wild animals too. Owning a fire arm for those purposes is perfectly reasonable. I just googled for the actually deadliest animals in the US. Basically: Cows, Horses, Dogs, Various Insects/Spiders... The first animal that shows up and you would reasonably use a gun against are Crocodiles/Alligators. Keep in mind that actual fatalities are extremly rare. Guns do nothing for your savety but strenghten your ego. My guy, I’ve dealt with some gnarly raccoons that made me seriously considering getting a .22 to deal with them. Wild animals can do a lot of damage that you will totally live through. And I live in the less wild part of the US where you won’t encounter things lie moose. Mate, I feel already bad for quoting you, since you seem to represent the more reasonable US-citizen on this issue, but you still don't get how you're using fake arguments provided by the likes of NRA and such to justify the absurd fascination the US has with guns. You consider getting a gun, because of raccoons. I can't wrap my head around shit like this. Nature isn't made for you to conquer it, you're supposed to live along with it. So get the fuck out of natural habitats of animals, especially during mating season, keep to your natural habitat, problem solved. Shooting a fucking raccoon, what the fuck. I just googled "raccoon threat" and the first site that showed up is this http://getraccoonsout.com/are-raccoons-dangerous/Even these people, who don't want you to mistake them for animal lovers seeing the title of the website, come to the conclusion, the best way to avoid trouble with raccoons is using your fucking head instead of a gun. Which, by the way, could and should be applied to any situation revolving around gun usage. I am talking about dealing with raccoons on my fucking trash barrels, fucking them up and opening my trash. I can go out and deal with them in a broom. I’ve done that. But when that happens, I am acutely aware it could go badly at any moment. The real solution was to get a BB gun and shoot them with that. And before someone says “move the trash barrels” short of keeping them inside the house, that would only have lead to raccoons destroying my screened in deck or occupying my shed. They will not be denied. What in the world could go badly? Are you a midget? Otherwise I can't see how an animal that barely gets bigger than a housecat could threaten you to a point where the acquisition of a gun is the only way out. You're just trying to derail from the point, which is the question "why would you need a gun?". You still don't. Show nested quote +On May 30 2018 01:02 zlefin wrote:On May 29 2018 23:36 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
But the resolution is quite simple: Restrict gun-ownership until the point the problem goes away or you can't restrict anymore. The US has a unique problem and while there are children getting murdered on a daily basis by loonies, their politicians are too toothless or just straight up too corrupt to go for a real change.
There is no reason to defend your home with a gun at any point. Your home is an object, you can repair or entirely rebuild it. Your insurance is gonna get you a new TV with a few more inches than the one that got robbed, literally everything can be replaced BUT the massive EGO that seems to live within almost every American I've ever encountered, be it online or offline.
So, short-term solution: Impose restrictions on gun-ownership which make it such a hassle to legally obtain one, pretty much everyone but the people who require a gun for professional usage are not gonna go for it.
Long-term solution: Increase basic education (absolutely horrible in the US) and get rid of those big egos.
Easy. most problems are easy if you ignore the hard parts: the actual politics of getting it implemented. people being stupid and having tons of irrational beliefs/behaviors (which are then expressed via the democratic process) I never anywhere said implementation would be easy. I just said solving the problem (deaths inflicted by guns) requires not much thinking and therefore it is easy to think of it. In this thread, people always act like it'd take magic to resolve this issue and not like pretty much every other western state has proven, it only takes the will of both politics and populace and some common sense. So there's your hard part: politicians actually implementing the will of the public into law. Now, is it really the will of the public to give up (unnecessary) freedoms in exchange for (very necessary apparently) greater safety? Sadly, it seems like a large part of the American populace doesn't want to make that trade and this is your true hard part, which I mentioned a thousand times in this thread alone and in the very post you quoted: Get rid of your big egos, get rid of your wild west mentality, get rid of thinking that encourages heroism, be civilized. Seems to be the hardest part about this issue, to me at least.
in the section I quoted you very much were focusing on the easy part. and you used the words simple and easy. In particular, at the end you said
"Easy." single word sentence. that's pretty clearly a statement that it's an easy problem, and/or that facet is easy. so I was entirely justified in calling you out on that part of what you said. Go reread what I actually quoted you saying.
you were just being unclear in what you meant perhaps. also, it remains entirely true that you focused on the easy part rather than the hard part. which is simply not helpful; we all know how to do the easy part, it's easy! do you have any answers for the hard part? telling people to change their wrongheaded beliefs is not an answer.
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People doubting the battle effectiveness of raccoons: Have you ever had to live around them?
Raccoons are by no means on the same level as mountain lions, but they are also not house cats. Some of them are very large and fierce. Some of them attack pretty indiscriminately. They could seriously injure an adult male who got surprised by one. It's not like they will kill you, but they can make taking out trash turn into a massive ordeal. I don't think a gun is needed to deal with them, but it is NOT as simple as shooing them away.
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On May 30 2018 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
People doubting the battle effectiveness of raccoons: Have you ever had to live around them?
Raccoons are by no means on the same level as mountain lions, but they are also not house cats. Some of them are very large and fierce. Some of them attack pretty indiscriminately. They could seriously injure an adult male who got surprised by one. It's not like they will kill you, but they can make taking out trash turn into a massive ordeal. I don't think a gun is needed to deal with them, but it is NOT as simple as shooing them away.
There is no mammal in the UK that you can't get rid of by spraying it with water (except maybe badgers). Life is easy here. I probably underestimate the raccoon, especially a group of them, I've never even encountered one.
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Folks, I considered all this stuff. They were not deterred by getting sprayed with the hose, they just waited until I went away and returned to their safe cracking efforts. My neighbors have dogs that they let roam from time to time.
And I live in the rural suburbs and I still hear coyotes every night. My mother's bird feeders have been destroyed by a black bear that just lives near them. Black bears are terrified of people, so they are normally easy to scare off. But its also a wild animal you live near and they are not predictable. But if people ask why folks in the US want to own guns, these are the reasons why.
On May 30 2018 01:45 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2018 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
People doubting the battle effectiveness of raccoons: Have you ever had to live around them?
Raccoons are by no means on the same level as mountain lions, but they are also not house cats. Some of them are very large and fierce. Some of them attack pretty indiscriminately. They could seriously injure an adult male who got surprised by one. It's not like they will kill you, but they can make taking out trash turn into a massive ordeal. I don't think a gun is needed to deal with them, but it is NOT as simple as shooing them away. There is no animal in the UK that you can't get rid of by spraying it with water (except maybe badgers). Life is easy here. I probably underestimate the raccoon, especially a group of them, I've never even encountered one.
Not for nothing you folks spent centuries killing off and destroy the habitat any animal that could ever harm you. You all would have murdered the trash panda two hundred years ago and not even felt sorry about it.
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Replace raccoons with homeless persons and you get a very strange critique on life.
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On May 30 2018 01:45 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2018 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
People doubting the battle effectiveness of raccoons: Have you ever had to live around them?
Raccoons are by no means on the same level as mountain lions, but they are also not house cats. Some of them are very large and fierce. Some of them attack pretty indiscriminately. They could seriously injure an adult male who got surprised by one. It's not like they will kill you, but they can make taking out trash turn into a massive ordeal. I don't think a gun is needed to deal with them, but it is NOT as simple as shooing them away. There is no mammal in the UK that you can't get rid of by spraying it with water (except maybe badgers). Life is easy here. I probably underestimate the raccoon, especially a group of them, I've never even encountered one.
Raccoons have a somewhat Jihad perspective on battle. It's like they aren't afraid to die. And they are also very resilient. They are good at opening things, even when they have latches. Raccoons are pretty smart, not afraid to die, and get very hungry. They often adapt well to measures taken to either secure a trash can or defend a trash can. They remember things you've done before and try to adapt to it. A raccoon would either not be bothered by being sprayed with water or would respond very aggressively. But a raccoon would very likely not be afraid of a garden hose.
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Much like Plansix stated, people really should not underestimate just how fierce a raccoon can be. Anyone who does has likely never encountered one before.
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Homeless people fear the police. 
Edit: Suburban raccoons are like pigeons in big cities, they don't give a shit. You can chase them off, but they just hang out until you go back inside and then they try again.
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On May 30 2018 01:45 Plansix wrote:
Not for nothing you folks spent centuries killing off and destroy the habitat any animal that could ever harm you. You all would have murdered the trash panda two hundred years ago and not even felt sorry about it.
Yeah man British ancestors were the WORST. We learn to incorporate the inherited guilt into our daily alcohol routine.
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