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On February 16 2018 01:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


I hope that any Congressman who is unapologetically anti- gun reform/ control watches these horrific videos.

This is what happens when "thoughts and prayers" are preferred over "data and legislation". Every other day, this happens; it's become commonplace. But it's not normal.

On February 16 2018 01:57 Plansix wrote:
With the one exception of having armed officers at every school and hoping they kill the legal gun owner before to many students are killed. Which is the exactly world the NRA wants to exist.

On February 16 2018 01:57 Plansix wrote:

It won’t matter. When push comes to shove, the NRA and gun lobby has congress by the balls. This won’t get a floor debate or anything of substance beyond the PR that will take place this week. Then its on to the new crisis. Why break a 20-30 year winning streak with new laws?

My new bet is this kid bought that gun legally, despite being poor, recently kicked out of school for violent acts and clearly having mental crisis. That there are no protections at all and nothing can stop these shootings. With the one exception of having armed officers at every school and hoping they kill the legal gun owner before to many students are killed. Which is the exactly world the NRA wants to exist.

On February 16 2018 02:08 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Sorry, I didn't read the forum rules (if it's in there). Warning noted.

On February 16 2018 02:10 brian wrote:

i think spoilering the video should’ve been sufficient. nothing more relevant to a gun debate thread than footage of its victims. removing the video entirely only makes it easier to forget the reality.

On February 16 2018 02:10 brian wrote:

i think spoilering the video should’ve been sufficient. nothing more relevant to a gun debate thread than footage of its victims. removing the video entirely only makes it easier to forget the reality. i’m against it. 17 children died yesterday, it’s good to remember why we’re doing this. seeing it and reading it are incredibly different experiences.

On February 16 2018 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
I'm starting to realize that gun nut philosophy is pretty similar to ancient societies. Trump's honoring of the victims made me realize we basically allow these children to be human sacrifices in honor of guns and gun culture. We have so much reverence for guns and the implied masculinity that they bestow on their troubled owners that we knowingly allow these shootings to continue. We are given a choice between gun culture and a bunch of kids living and we always choose the guns. Other countries have "school stabbings", but a few people get slashed and maybe 1 person dies. Since we have extreme reverence for objects that can kill people really quickly, our school violence has 10+ deaths pretty regularly. But then we post "thoughts and prayers", pat ourselves on the back and move on. So we still want them to die, since our only other choice is to get rid of guns. But we also hold these children in high regard and have all sorts of ceremonies in their honor. It's basically just human sacrifice.

On February 16 2018 02:50 Nebuchad wrote:


This is the kind of post that annoys me, no offense. There's no "we" here. The majority of Americans, who presumably represent the culture of the US, already agree with specific gun control policies. That they're not implemented says something about your political system, not about your culture.

On February 15 2018 10:19 Chewbacca. wrote:

Being able to fight off the government is only one of many reasons that people want to be able to own a gun.

If I wake up in the middle of the night to find someone in my house with a knife robbing me or trying to rape/murder a family member, I want to have the easiest method available to me to kill him before harm is done to myself or my family.

Some people want guns to protect themselves from the government, some want them to protect themselves from other people, some want them to hunt, and some want them because they enjoy shooting

On February 16 2018 03:00 Doodsmack wrote:


The 2nd amendment doesn't say "people can choose any reason they want to have a gun." Do you not respect the Constitution?

On February 16 2018 03:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Republican voters need to let their elected representatives know that ceding ground sensibly on some gun laws in some states is NOT a political loss. The biggest problem is that guns should be a practical concern - all the arguments you hear in favour of keeping guns are practical, but politicians treat it as an ideological concern.

On February 15 2018 09:45 micronesia wrote:

It's really hard to attempt to answer the question without a little more specificity. What do you mean by if guns are banned? Do you mean if it becomes illegal for non-military people to own or use guns? If so, what do you envision happens to the hundreds of millions of guns already in circulation?

If we go so far as to assume that the government pushes some magic switch and all guns outside of the military vanish and all manufacturing, including black market manufacturing, stops, then that will likely cut down on suicide somewhat and will nearly eliminate gun-based homicide. The three remaining concerns then are the ability of the homeowner to defend themselves from a dangerous person in their home, the ability of a person to defend himself or herself when out and about, and the ability of the people to defend themselves from the government a la second amendment (without getting into whether this is individual or militia). There is no way to say with any certainty how that would ultimately stack up against the victims that were prevented. Of course, this scenario is completely preposterous due to the assumptions that went into it.

In other words, the answer is "there is no right answer and it depends on your values."


By misrepresenting the argument and attempting to make one side look like idiots you basically guarantee that the NRA will be successful in blocking all meaningful gun-safety related legislation for the next few years.

On February 16 2018 01:20 Broetchenholer wrote:


Okay, you want the easiest way to kill someone to rob you with a knife. Might i suggest a proximity mine? Just put one at every window and door and wait for the knifeholder to make your day. What about orbital guided artillery, missile strikes on anyone stepping on your lawn might be a good solution as well or maybe some deadly gas? Because your right to take someones life shall not be infringed upon by common sense or proportionate responses.

If you need weapons to protect yourself from the government, you either are a criminal or it's too late. There is no scenario were you are morally allowed to shoot government agents and have a chance to actually achieve anything by shooting government agents. Either your government is not oppressing you enough to warrant you murdering it's officials or it is oppressing you so much that you need to shoot back and will fail. I would love to know the scenario where a handgun is needed to defend from the government.

Sportshooting and hunting. Okay, i allow you that, i am in a good mood, you are just not allowed to buy the weapon for sportshooting, you get it at the range and you give it back when you are done. For SPorts you are allowed hunting rifles. Actual hunting rifles. No Scopes, no semi automatic capabilities. You need a hunting permit, have to go to seminars every x years and pass a test. You can't buy unlimited bullets.

So, nobody needs a gun anymore, right?

On February 16 2018 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
I'm starting to realize that gun nut philosophy is pretty similar to ancient societies. Trump's honoring of the victims made me realize we basically allow these children to be human sacrifices in honor of guns and gun culture. We have so much reverence for guns and the implied masculinity that they bestow on their troubled owners that we knowingly allow these shootings to continue. We are given a choice between gun culture and a bunch of kids living and we always choose the guns. Other countries have "school stabbings", but a few people get slashed and maybe 1 person dies. Since we have extreme reverence for objects that can kill people really quickly, our school violence has 10+ deaths pretty regularly. But then we post "thoughts and prayers", pat ourselves on the back and move on. So we still want them to die, since our only other choice is to get rid of guns. But we also hold these children in high regard and have all sorts of ceremonies in their honor. It's basically just human sacrifice.

On February 16 2018 03:30 Chewbacca. wrote:


Yeah because planting proximity mines, setting up orbital guided artillery, or booby trapping your house with deadly gas is much easier than having a handgun next to your bed. I 100% believe that shooting someone who is breaking into your house to harm you, even if they're only coming at you with a knife or metal pipe, is perfectly warranted, and is the common sense approach. My safety, let alone my life, is worth more to me than the life of a criminal trying to harm me.

If your government is oppressing you enough that it warrants you to shoot back, even if it means you will fail, I think most people would like the option to fight back rather than living under the oppressive governmental rule. Case in point, every revolution in history.