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AdamBanks
Canada996 Posts
On May 03 2013 03:09 Nachtwind wrote: oh look again a shooting of kids in the news http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/kentucky-shooting_n_3189828.html Those people need to be charged, disgusting, what kind of place do you guys live in. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 03 2013 03:19 AdamBanks wrote: Those people need to be charged, disgusting, what kind of place do you guys live in. The kind that bans candy but thinks guns are okay. Welcome to America. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On May 03 2013 03:09 Nachtwind wrote: oh look again a shooting of kids in the news http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/kentucky-shooting_n_3189828.html I wonder why they couldn't just buy him a pellet gun or something. Of course even pellet guns are dangerous, but it just seems way more appropriate. I had a lot of fun blowing up colored pencils in my backyard with my dad's pellet gun  . Anyway I don't know if this should be used to argue for the banning of guns. Definitely something about gun control though, and safeties.+ Show Spoiler + Just as a small aside, did you guys see the side story? It says "Henry gribbohm loses life savings at carnival game, wins stuffed banana with dreadlocks". I just found it hilarious XD ![[image loading]](http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1112416/thumbs/s-HENRY-GRIBBOHM-CARNIVAL-SAVINGS-BANANA-large.jpg?9) The news story also had a funny pun: "Something about this prize is rather a-peeling." | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On May 03 2013 03:49 heliusx wrote: What do shitty parents who have no sense of gun safety have to do with adults using firearms in a proper fashion? I suppose its much easier to use stories like these to "prove your point" than to have an actual mature discussion. Well, they have a lot to do with each other, because currently, for both it is equally easy to get a gun. Which is a big point of the whole discussion. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 03 2013 03:49 heliusx wrote: What do shitty parents who have no sense of gun safety have to do with adults using firearms in a proper fashion? I suppose its much easier to use stories like these to "prove your point" than to have an actual mature discussion. If they are shitty parents who don't know how to manage guns--they shouldn't be allowed to buy guns. Better background checks and psyche checks are needed. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On May 03 2013 04:07 Thieving Magpie wrote: If they are shitty parents who don't know how to manage guns--they shouldn't be allowed to buy guns. Better background checks and psyche checks are needed. I'm not opposed to either. But we both know neither of those will stop stupid people from acquiring guns or make them store them properly. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On May 03 2013 04:09 heliusx wrote: I'm not opposed to either. But we both know neither of those will stop stupid people from acquiring guns or make them store them properly. Completly banning guns would solve this problem, wouldnt it? | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On May 03 2013 04:12 Paljas wrote: Completly banning guns would solve this problem, wouldnt it? I doubt it would in a country like the us where theres already a huge amount of guns in circulation. It would take a long long time at any rate before it would be harder for the wrong people to acquire guns. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 03 2013 04:09 heliusx wrote: I'm not opposed to either. But we both know neither of those will stop stupid people from acquiring guns or make them store them properly. Laws don't stop rapist and murders from raping and murdering--should murder be legal then? | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On May 03 2013 04:15 Snusmumriken wrote: I doubt it would in a country like the us where theres already a huge amount of guns in circulation. It would take a long long time at any rate before it would be harder for the wrong people to acquire guns. Thats a depressing standpoint to have. | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
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Jan1997
Norway671 Posts
On May 03 2013 04:15 Snusmumriken wrote: I doubt it would in a country like the us where theres already a huge amount of guns in circulation. It would take a long long time at any rate before it would be harder for the wrong people to acquire guns. Would just like to say that in some places they have started to offer large amounts of money for trading in their weapons (up to 400 dollars i think) This started happening right after the newtown massacre. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On May 03 2013 04:12 Paljas wrote: Completly banning guns would solve this problem, wouldnt it? Oh, pardon me. I thought this thread was to discuss reality not fantasy. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On May 03 2013 04:16 Thieving Magpie wrote: Laws don't stop rapist and murders from raping and murdering--should murder be legal then? lol. Do you even think about what you type? It's like speaking to a wall. You have a severe problem with understanding what people are telling you. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On May 03 2013 04:16 Thieving Magpie wrote: Laws don't stop rapist and murders from raping and murdering--should murder be legal then? Some people do not rape and murder because it is against their morals. Other people do not do it because it is against the law and they do not wish to be punished. Therefore, laws do reduce rape and murder. Are you honestly telling me that if rape were legal then there would not be more rape? Same question with murder. If murder were legal then disputes would be much more likely to end in death. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 03 2013 04:23 hzflank wrote: Some people do not rape and murder because it is against their morals. Other people do not do it because it is against the law and they do not wish to be punished. Therefore, laws do reduce rape and murder. Are you honestly telling me that if rape were legal then there would not be more rape? Same question with murder. If murder were legal then disputes would be much more likely to end in death. I think he agrees with you. Banning guns would certainly not stop everyone from dying to firearms, but it would definitely reduce the violence considerably. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 03 2013 04:21 heliusx wrote: lol. Do you even think about what you type? It's like speaking to a wall. You have a severe problem with understanding what people are telling you. If the logic is that "we both know neither of those will stop stupid people from acquiring guns or make them store them properly" as an argument against gun control. Then we can use the same argument against rape and murder. Why not? Bad logic leads to bad logic. One can't just say "we can't stop stupid people getting guns" and assume that that logic doesn't apply to other laws as well. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
Read it over, then realize how ridiculous it is to raise that point. There is no expectation that gun control measures will outright prevent anyone from breaking the laws. To attack that is to attack a strawman, so stop doing it. No one is arguing that stricter measures toward gun control will result in perfect obedience of the law, and that suddenly criminals will not exist. | ||
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