EPTOn December 20 2012 05:10 stevarius wrote:
You must think you're hilarious.
Not sure if troll or just a moron.
You must think you're hilarious.
Not sure if troll or just a moron.
I could say the same thing about both of your comments.
If you're seeing this topic then another mass shooting hap…
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KingLol
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I could say the same thing about both of your comments. | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
How do you know it's unlikely they wouldn't use another weapon? Using bombs would offer exactly the same "benefits" you listed and would take even less effort. I'm not sure how many guns you've actually used, but it's actually pretty damn hard shooting a moving target. And taking a bomb in your mouth is probably just as painless and quick as a bullet to the head. You have yet to address other potential problems. You keep reverting back to guns like it's the 100% only issue needing to be addressed. Do you really think this is the only issue at play? | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
i think its comparable to a strong islamic nation having a female leader its possible but without some "revolution" anyone can say if guns are removed, there will be no gun related deaths...its a very obvious statement but making that a reality in USA's gun culture is just...very farfetched i think a lot of people who say gun bans will fix problems do not understand the implications of what complete gun ban will do in USA. germany has equal to or less accidents than USA in highways despite the autobahn, awareness and education is what is making the difference. mentally incapable people needs to be taken care of, poverty improved, well thought out gun regulation, taking guns away is only a desperate measure for bandaid and not a complete cure, harms the majority of law abiding citizens for the sake of few idiots. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
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KingLol
54 Posts
On December 20 2012 05:18 jacosajh wrote: Even if you had a PhD in psychology, I don't think you're qualified to make that statement. This is precisely my point. There is a severe lack of focus on the mental issues with these people. How do you know it's unlikely they wouldn't use another weapon? Using bombs would offer exactly the same "benefits" you listed and would take even less effort. I'm not sure how many guns you've actually used, but it's actually pretty damn hard shooting a moving target. And taking a bomb in your mouth is probably just as painless and quick as a bullet to the head. You have yet to address other potential problems. You keep reverting back to guns like it's the 100% only issue needing to be addressed. Do you really think this is the only issue at play? I think it's fairly easy to see the emotional distance that using a gun allows - psychology qualifications not necessary. Making & using a bomb would be far more difficult (I mean, come on! I can't believe you're even arguing that it's less effort!) and it doesn't let the person 'project' their power onto other people in the same way shooting them does. Yes, there are other problems and it's down to the old "guns don't kill people: people kill people!". Well, let's make people less effective at killing people by NOT allowing them to have guns. | ||
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jacosajh
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On December 20 2012 05:20 Reaps wrote: How does making a bomb and getting it to the target take less effort then a gun would. because a bomb needs basic understanding in chemistry and electrical engineering along with some equipment to process it while a gun just needs 1 arm?! | ||
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jacosajh
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KingLol
54 Posts
On December 20 2012 05:24 jacosajh wrote: What do you know about guns? Because it doesn't seem like much. I'm no gun nut by any stretch but I believe I know enough to be able to justify my argument. | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On December 20 2012 05:29 jacosajh wrote: Ironic how people who are anti-gun, and therefore probably with no experience using one, would try to argue how effective a gun is. It's effective no doubt, but you all seem to think this is "zomg i got a 30 round mag imma get 30 peoplez" I don't think anyone is arguing that way. instead it's more like: "It's easier to shoot 30 people than to stab them" | ||
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tokicheese
Canada739 Posts
On December 20 2012 00:42 shell wrote: Don't be a forum nazi, it's obvious for everyone that less guns = less gun murder! It's math.. less guns = less shootings = less dead people! It's way harder to kill someone with a knife then with a gun! Especially for a country like the USA where you can have big and nasty guns easily and where you can practice them legally. Why would the most powerfull country in the world have a third world violence problem and the biggest inmate population! Something is obviously wrong or is it just me? We know most of USA think any rule = comunism but don't you guys want to have a safer enviornment for your kids? Do you think it's better for them if all their neighbours have a m16 in their house? If everybody only had knifes with a few krav maga lessons you could survive one of those.. if everybody has AMG and SMG you are in a battle field.. A massive chunk of the gun killings in the US are from suicides it's not like you go out on the streets in most cities and it's like Baghdad. There are fucked up neighbourhoods in some cities but that's not because of guns it's a social problem. But it's so much easier to scape goat guns instead of fixing the real underlying problems that cause the violence. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On December 20 2012 05:29 jacosajh wrote: Ironic how people who are anti-gun, and therefore probably with no experience using one, would try to argue how effective a gun is. Lol why would anyone need experience in using one when it is common sense how exatcly effective a gun is, they are made for killing, nothing more. Only need to turn tv on and see just how effective they are when you hear about 20 dead kids. | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
-It's easier to kill people with a gun -It's easier to kill yourself with a gun Therefore, mass killers are both lazy and cowards. Nothing else wrong. Make it harder to kill people and yourself (take away the guns), and the killings will stop. I gotcha. | ||
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KingLol
54 Posts
On December 20 2012 05:29 jacosajh wrote: Ironic how people who are anti-gun, and therefore probably with no experience using one, would try to argue how effective a gun is. It's effective no doubt, but you all seem to think this is "zomg i got a 30 round mag imma get 30 peoplez" Why is that ironic? Do you really think there's another, more effective weapon available in the US? There IS a reason that soldiers aren't running around with swords and baseball bats. | ||
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KingLol
54 Posts
On December 20 2012 05:34 jacosajh wrote: So basically your argument is: -It's easier to kill people with a gun -It's easier to kill yourself with a gun Therefore, mass killers are both lazy and cowards. Nothing else wrong. Make it harder to kill people and yourself, and the shootings will stop. I gotcha. Nearly there: make it harder to kill people and yourself ---> less people will be killed. | ||
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Mallard86
186 Posts
On December 20 2012 05:34 KingLol wrote: Why is that ironic? Do you really think there's another, more effective weapon available in the US? There IS a reason that soldiers aren't running around with swords and baseball bats. If James Holmes had used a few gallons of gasoline and something to bar the doors of the theater he would have killed 20 times more people. | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On December 20 2012 05:34 jacosajh wrote: So basically your argument is: -It's easier to kill people with a gun -It's easier to kill yourself with a gun Therefore, mass killers are both lazy and cowards. Nothing else wrong. Make it harder to kill people and yourself (take away the guns), and the killings will stop. I gotcha. Oddly enough it worked in Australia. Where is your irony now? | ||
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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
On December 20 2012 05:32 tokicheese wrote: A massive chunk of the gun killings in the US are from suicides it's not like you go out on the streets in most cities and it's like Baghdad. There are fucked up neighbourhoods in some cities but that's not because of guns it's a social problem. But it's so much easier to scape goat guns instead of fixing the real underlying problems that cause the violence. Care to venture a guess as to how many gunshot inflicted suicides are successful versus other methods? On some level, you've just offered forth another reason to restrict guns. Honestly, though, I don't think it unreasonable for gun procurement to take into account the presence of mental instability in the household. | ||
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Dzemoo
48 Posts
Fact: Crime rates involving gun owners with carry permits have consistently been about 0.02% of all carry permit holders since Florida’s right-to-carry law started in 1988. Fact: After passing their concealed carry law, Florida’s homicide rate fell from 36% above the national average to 4% below, and remains below the national average (as of the last reporting period, 2005). Fact: In Texas, murder rates fell 50% faster than the national average in the year after their concealed carry law passed. Rape rates fell 93% faster in the first year after enactment, and 500% faster in the second. Assaults fell 250% faster in the second year. Fact: More to the point, crime is significantly higher in states without right-to-carry laws Fact: States that disallow concealed carry have violent crime rates 11% higher than national averages. Fact: Deaths and injuries from mass public shootings fall dramatically after right-to-carry concealed handgun laws are enacted. Between 1977 and 1995, the average death rate from mass shootings plummeted by up to 91% after such laws went into effect, and injuries dropped by over 80%. | ||
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jacosajh
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