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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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Aleteh
Denmark166 Posts
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Esk23
United States447 Posts
On December 15 2012 04:15 Reaps wrote: Comparing gun deaths with natural diseases, are you serious? Are you serious? You call all of those "natural causes"? So your body is programmed ahead of time to die to one of these? There are more serious reasons why people are getting this sick. | ||
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Eps
Canada240 Posts
On December 15 2012 04:07 Sermokala wrote: It wouldn't even work like that. Guns will still be passed down family to family out in the country. My family still use's the same WW1 rifles that our family used back in the war. Repairing old guns are a lot easier then new ones. there is no way to actually ban guns no more then it is capable of doing it in a third world country. Most gang violence is done from illegally owned cheap handguns that the users probably aren't allowed to use guns in the first place. More people are killed in many different ways then mass shootings but because they don't get as much media attention people think that they're not as much of a problem then anything else. Banning guns is not feasible at this stage. The issue is also with gun culture and the odd belief that more guns makes the society safer. I find there's this really odd hero complex with gun owners, where they believe that one day a bad situation will happen to them - and they'll be armed and ready to deal with it. If you go on firearm forums and such, you'll find its prevalent everywhere. There should also be tighter restrictions and regulations on the process it takes to get a gun. With my experience in Canada, I took a firearms course - required 2 days. I knew from the end of the course I had passed. It took 5 months for them to mail me back my Firearms course certificate back to me from the firearms regulation office. I have to mail out my certificate to the proper licensing office now, and I assume it'll take about the same amount of time for me to obtain my license. It's legal to obtain a handgun here as well as semi-automatic rifles in Canada. Yes there are restrictions, but it is perfectly legal. The process is just far longer than it would take in the US. Not asking to be offensive, but out of curiosity. But how long does it take to obtain a gun in the US? From what people have told me, it's anywhere between the day of to 7 days depending on what state. I just wanted to verify. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On December 15 2012 04:17 Esk23 wrote: Are you serious? You call all of those "natural causes"? So your body is programmed ahead of time to die to one of these? There are more serious reasons why people are getting this sick. Wow you actualy are serious lol.... i'm speechless, wow. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On December 15 2012 04:17 Esk23 wrote: Are you serious? You call all of those "natural causes"? So your body is programmed ahead of time to die to one of these? There are more serious reasons why people are getting this sick. I can't point a hunk of metal at you and give you diabetes. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On December 15 2012 04:17 Aleteh wrote: Any American defending their retarded "hurr durr defence" law must be mental :/ Any foreigner who thinks they know whats best for america when they are 100% ignorant to the situation must be mental. | ||
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Aleteh
Denmark166 Posts
On December 15 2012 04:19 heliusx wrote: Any foreigner who thinks they know whats best for america when they are 100% ignorant to the situation must be mental. Americans clearly need several hand guns, assault rifles, shotguns and the necessary accessories to "defend" their property. Why the hell should it be possible to own such firearms? It's like people think that some drunk who breaks a window in your house equals to going to war. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On December 15 2012 04:22 Aleteh wrote: Americans clearly need several hand guns, assault rifles, shotguns and the necessary accessories to "defend" their property. What does the number of firearms own by a person have to do with anything? Why the hell should it be possible to own such firearms? It's like people think that some drunk who breaks a window in your house equals to going to war. From why do they need so many to why do they need any at all. What is exactly your point? | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On December 15 2012 04:25 L3g3nd_ wrote: whens the last time you heard of a school shooting outside of the US? i can name 5-6 major school shootings from the US in the last 10 years, but not a single one outside of the US. it isnt a bloody coincidence. Yeah the coincidence is you obviously don't read foreign news. You've never heard of them so obviously they don't exist. | ||
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Aleteh
Denmark166 Posts
On December 15 2012 04:25 heliusx wrote: What does the number of firearms own by a person have to do with anything? From why do they need so many to why do they need any at all. What is exactly your point? My point is, that some guy on a mission could go and buy several handguns and assault rifles for "home defense" and use them to kill innocent people. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On December 15 2012 04:05 Millitron wrote: Most handguns are semi-automatic, I actually can't think of any that aren't. Unless you're shooting at people with body armor, or hundreds of yards away, it doesn't really matter too much how powerful the gun is. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2012/12/2012121481220620325.html tl; dr 22 kids stabbed in an elementary school in China. Stabbed, not shot. I'd take a knife coming at me over a gun any day | ||
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nennx
United States310 Posts
also in regards to that article from china: zero people died. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On December 15 2012 04:18 Eps wrote: Banning guns is not feasible at this stage. The issue is also with gun culture and the odd belief that more guns makes the society safer. I find there's this really odd hero complex with gun owners, where they believe that one day a bad situation will happen to them - and they'll be armed and ready to deal with it. If you go on firearm forums and such, you'll find its prevalent everywhere. There should also be tighter restrictions and regulations on the process it takes to get a gun. With my experience in Canada, I took a firearms course - required 2 days. I knew from the end of the course I had passed. It took 5 months for them to mail me back my Firearms course certificate back to me from the firearms regulation office. I have to mail out my certificate to the proper licensing office now, and I assume it'll take about the same amount of time for me to obtain my license. It's legal to obtain a handgun here as well as semi-automatic rifles in Canada. Yes there are restrictions, but it is perfectly legal. The process is just far longer than it would take in the US. Not asking to be offensive, but out of curiosity. But how long does it take to obtain a gun in the US? From what people have told me, it's anywhere between the day of to 7 days depending on what state. I just wanted to verify. It depends on the gun and the state honestly. Handguns are regulated pretty much everywhere, with a few variations on the regulation. They mostly consist of background checks, a short waiting period, and occasional restrictions on specific details like magazine size. There's also differing restrictions on carrying them. Rifles are generally much easier to get. I'm in NY, and could buy a crappy hunting rifle at Wal-Mart right now. They'd run a quick automated background check, but after that I could leave with my gun. Semi-autos are pretty heavily restricted, and full-autos are outright banned. The only national restriction is on fully-automatic weapons. They were banned in the 80's, but any already in existence were still legal. They require tons of time-consuming and expensive certifications, and aren't legal in all states. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On December 15 2012 04:29 nennx wrote: americans have pretty much proven themselves incapable of owning guns, so we shouldn't be allowed to have them yeah, you're right. americans are clearly murderers they shouldn't have guns. because crazy killers are just like 99.9999999999999% of americans. | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
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shostakovich
Brazil1429 Posts
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nennx
United States310 Posts
On December 15 2012 04:31 heliusx wrote: yeah, you're right. americans are clearly murderers they shouldn't have guns. because crazy killers are just like 99.9999999999999% of americans. not just murderers most gun violence happens on accident or in fits of rage where other violent alternatives wouldn't be nearly as deadly | ||
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Esk23
United States447 Posts
On December 15 2012 04:29 nennx wrote: americans have pretty much proven themselves incapable of owning guns, so we shouldn't be allowed to have them also in regards to that article from china: zero people died. You mean a few Americans who happen to be psychos? %99.9 of gun owners don't murder people. Stop generalizing. | ||
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