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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 02 2011 15:25 GMT
#321
That's like 7 books later? :O
AegonC
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States260 Posts
September 20 2011 01:08 GMT
#322
I just started WOT and it seems really epic so far. I love his writing style, but idk how he can stretch this out over, what, 12 books?
DarthXX
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia998 Posts
September 20 2011 01:11 GMT
#323
it will be 14 when the last book comes out next year.
Ozell
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada105 Posts
September 20 2011 01:53 GMT
#324
I would highly recommend Game of Thrones as i'm reading it at the moment and it's simply pure happiness. I also think that it's a nice book for Fantasy beginners since it's not over the top with magic and such. It's more about plots and conspiracies and that is what makes it so awesome.

I would also recommend David's Eddings work in general (Especially the Belgariad if I remember well). It's some nice fantasy easy to read and quite entertaining
Asrathiel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Australia377 Posts
September 20 2011 08:44 GMT
#325
Ooh yay WoT thread <3

I love these books! Aviendha is my favourite, she rocks (slightly less since she had to become a Wise One ) but Mat's storyline is the best, god he's funny :D
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lagmaster
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 08:56:07
September 20 2011 08:55 GMT
#326
On September 20 2011 10:08 AegonC wrote:
I just started WOT and it seems really epic so far. I love his writing style, but idk how he can stretch this out over, what, 12 books?


Books 4-6 are amazing, then it's not as great. When Brandon Sanderson takes over in book 11 it picks back up again. Great series, but he's much much much more tame than George R.R. Martin.

You have a ways ahead of you if you're undertaking this series. But it was worth it when I did it.

Edit: I was expecting the new book's release date was announced when i saw this bumped
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
September 20 2011 09:00 GMT
#327
On September 20 2011 17:44 Asrathiel wrote:
Ooh yay WoT thread <3

I love these books! Aviendha is my favourite, she rocks (slightly less since she had to become a Wise One ) but Mat's storyline is the best, god he's funny :D

Min is far better :/ Imho
Immersion_
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom794 Posts
September 20 2011 09:08 GMT
#328
On September 20 2011 18:00 aebriol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 17:44 Asrathiel wrote:
Ooh yay WoT thread <3

I love these books! Aviendha is my favourite, she rocks (slightly less since she had to become a Wise One ) but Mat's storyline is the best, god he's funny :D

Min is far better :/ Imho


Pff Moiraine was always the best, dunno what u lot are smoking! I read these books about 6/7 years ago en masse, then the dribs and drabs as they came in. The first 5/6 are amazing, 9 is decent, as are 11+. 10 was so bad it wasn't actually funny (IMO).

I do love the depth and his style though, it used to be far and away my fav series, A Song of Ice and Fire is beginning to rival it although they are quite different, and book 4 of that was also pretty bad imo.
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Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
September 20 2011 09:56 GMT
#329
Can you skip a few books of this series or would I miss too much important content in between to continue it satisfactorily later on? (I read some of the books are extremely stretched out and come across like 'filler episodes')
Sindri
Profile Joined August 2007
Australia56 Posts
September 20 2011 10:03 GMT
#330
Honestly, you could probably just read a one line spoiler of the end of book 10 and not really miss anything.
Spitfire
Profile Joined September 2009
South Africa442 Posts
September 20 2011 11:42 GMT
#331
Busy reading it right now.

Love it. The whole 'prophecy' idea may be done to death but its done really well in this instance.
Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
September 20 2011 11:47 GMT
#332
I read this puppy twice! GOD I LOVE/MISS this story!!! Why can't there be more books out there like these ones?
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Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
September 20 2011 11:50 GMT
#333
The last 2 books (that Brandon Sanderson worked on) are actually a lot better again. There's stuff actually happening and a lot of storylines get resolved. Can't wait for the last one.
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2594 Posts
September 20 2011 11:55 GMT
#334
Yeah, I loved the first few books, and then started wishing I could just get the Cliff's Notes versions. I don't remember which book it was, but at the end of the previous book, Rand had been captured and locked in a trunk, and the only thing I was interested in for the entire book was what happened to him. And the book went on and on and on, and I think Rand doesn't even get out of the damned box until the following book. That's about the time I gave up on the series.

To those of you recommending David Eddings and George RR Martin: Hell yeah! The Belgariad and the Elenium were both favorites of mine as a teenager, and I'm reading A Song of Ice and Fire right now with great enjoyment.
The frumious Bandersnatch
craque
Profile Joined August 2011
United States32 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 12:19:21
September 20 2011 12:18 GMT
#335
Maybe it was because I started WOT after I read all the ASOIAF books, but I found that I had to force myself to finish the first book of WOT and couldn't get any further once I realized that the first book had filled me with a burning hatred for the series.

Perhaps GOT had set the bar too high. WOT just seemed to be lacking in every aspect: the quality of its universe and mythos, the believability of it's characters, the polish of its story, even the language use of the author seemed subpar. Worst of all was that despite all flaws it seems that the series is held in the same regard as ASOIAF (hence the burning hatred). Can someone explain why the series is so beloved? To me it is as if people think the newest Duke Nukem is just as good a game as Starcraft and is a better e-sports platform.

edit: grammar
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casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 12:24:14
September 20 2011 12:23 GMT
#336
They're different books. WOT is more high fantasy and "overall grand struggle" than ISOIAF which is about people struggling for power. You don't see people wrecking on LotR even though it possesses the same qualities you attribute WoT. The language is honestly better than ISOIAF: better imagery, stronger vocabulary, etc. Martin writes in vernacular which I find pretty suitable for what he's doing but is overall less impressive than what Jordan accomplishes.

The later books in wheel of time are pretty damn crap but the same can be said for a song of ice and fire
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DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 12:30:28
September 20 2011 12:29 GMT
#337
I liked the later WoT books (9 onwards), thought the two before that were bad
I gave up on ASOIAF after book 3.5, probably should go and re-read

Eagerly awaiting the ending to this series

EDIT: @craque The first book is like that, the rest are better
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Autofire2
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Pakistan290 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 12:32:48
September 20 2011 12:31 GMT
#338
Honestly, LoTR and (EDIT) Game of Thrones are the only Fantasy books that are truly 'literature', almost everything else I've read is pure popcorn fiction. I love the fantasy genre, but it has far fewer true giants than the Sci Fi genre...perhaps because fantasy is often seen as a venue to escapism and sci fi is seen as a place where writers can talk about more 'serious' issues by filtering them through the lens of a new technology, a new age etc.

This isn't the way it HAS to be, just often the way it is.

For Sci Fi, a huge amount of short stories by Isaac Asimov are absolutely sublime. Simply written, but great concepts. Frank Herbert's Dune is possibly the most complete sci fi story out there, though his later books weren't really that good. Farenheit 451. 1984. Enders Game. There's a lot of wealth in that genre.


As for Fantasy...someone recommended Salvatore for his dark elf trilogy. It reads like a cartoon. Shannara is watered down LoTR and also has a very popcorny (corny and you feel like you should be having popcorn) shade to it. His Dark Materials starts off strong, IIRC, but loses the plot somewhere along the line. Robert Jordon explodes into exposition and weak characterization.

The only new fantasy series that has truly impressed (can't really called Martin 'new' anymore) is The Kingkiller chronicles, which starts with The Name of the Wind. That's really, really good. Not so epic as the two giants, but absolutely does what it sets out to do. That said, since the series is neither finished nor so huge that you can get a good idea how it'll be, I can't make a final judgment. Still, if you like fantasy, your opportunities for good writing are limited and I would definitely recommend this one.


Having said all that, I haven't read Dark Tower or whatever. How is that?
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
September 20 2011 12:33 GMT
#339
On September 20 2011 21:18 craque wrote:
Maybe it was because I started WOT after I read all the ASOIAF books, but I found that I had to force myself to finish the first book of WOT and couldn't get any further once I realized that the first book had filled me with a burning hatred for the series.

Perhaps GOT had set the bar too high. WOT just seemed to be lacking in every aspect: the quality of its universe and mythos, the believability of it's characters, the polish of its story, even the language use of the author seemed subpar. Worst of all was that despite all flaws it seems that the series is held in the same regard as ASOIAF (hence the burning hatred). Can someone explain why the series is so beloved? To me it is as if people think the newest Duke Nukem is just as good a game as Starcraft and is a better e-sports platform.

edit: grammar


Well part of it is that WoT was one of the first big epic fantasy series after LotR. I probably like ASOIAF more, but I still enjoyed the WoT books. And although some of the later books became longwinded, the same can be said of the last 2 ASOIAF books.
Steven Erikson is the best though You can read those books for the 20th time and still find out new stuff.
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
September 20 2011 12:44 GMT
#340
On September 20 2011 21:31 Autofire2 wrote:
Honestly, LoTR and (EDIT) Game of Thrones are the only Fantasy books that are truly 'literature', almost everything else I've read is pure popcorn fiction. I love the fantasy genre, but it has far fewer true giants than the Sci Fi genre...perhaps because fantasy is often seen as a venue to escapism and sci fi is seen as a place where writers can talk about more 'serious' issues by filtering them through the lens of a new technology, a new age etc.

This isn't the way it HAS to be, just often the way it is.

For Sci Fi, a huge amount of short stories by Isaac Asimov are absolutely sublime. Simply written, but great concepts. Frank Herbert's Dune is possibly the most complete sci fi story out there, though his later books weren't really that good. Farenheit 451. 1984. Enders Game. There's a lot of wealth in that genre.


As for Fantasy...someone recommended Salvatore for his dark elf trilogy. It reads like a cartoon. Shannara is watered down LoTR and also has a very popcorny (corny and you feel like you should be having popcorn) shade to it. His Dark Materials starts off strong, IIRC, but loses the plot somewhere along the line. Robert Jordon explodes into exposition and weak characterization.

The only new fantasy series that has truly impressed (can't really called Martin 'new' anymore) is The Kingkiller chronicles, which starts with The Name of the Wind. That's really, really good. Not so epic as the two giants, but absolutely does what it sets out to do. That said, since the series is neither finished nor so huge that you can get a good idea how it'll be, I can't make a final judgment. Still, if you like fantasy, your opportunities for good writing are limited and I would definitely recommend this one.


Having said all that, I haven't read Dark Tower or whatever. How is that?


Good thing Jordan's peers all credit him with revitalizing the genre, and grrm personally credits him with inspiring his writing style.
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